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Of course the feelings of the nation are taken into account once again. Lost replies to STAND
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Panda On Smack
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explain please
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my wallet isnt big enough for any more cards 
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dysfunction
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Having an ID card isnt going to make the slightest bit of difference to anyone really...
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old.RedVenom
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He means that everyone in the whole nation's feeling have been taken into account when making the decision.
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I cant see what anyone has to fear about having an I.D card, if your just normal Joe Shmoe going about your daily business wheres the aggro ?.
I am concerned about what would happen if you were stopped by police and did'nt have it with you... If the copper was a in a bad mood or did'nt like your face you could end up with a trip to the station while they proved who your are.
Also, how long will it be till there is forgeries on the go and the whole exercise becomes pointless.
One more real concern is that..... once you move house or loose it, they will start charging us to replace them. Thus taking more money out of our pockets after forcing us to carry them in the first place. That will really irk me
I am concerned about what would happen if you were stopped by police and did'nt have it with you... If the copper was a in a bad mood or did'nt like your face you could end up with a trip to the station while they proved who your are.
Also, how long will it be till there is forgeries on the go and the whole exercise becomes pointless.
One more real concern is that..... once you move house or loose it, they will start charging us to replace them. Thus taking more money out of our pockets after forcing us to carry them in the first place. That will really irk me
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I'm sure that it will be just like your driving license (or your passport)....you wont have to have it with you all the time!!
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JohnyWishbone
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Yeah I agree, my first 2 points are just whatifs, its my 3rd point that I think will happen.
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You dont have to pay if you change address with your driving license...
but I guess that doesnt mean they wont charge for this!
but I guess that doesnt mean they wont charge for this!
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You do however have to pay if there's a change of status on your driving licence, such as passing additional driving tests.
I'm now paying potentially twice the road tax, and I have to pay to update my licence. Now thats a con.
I'm now paying potentially twice the road tax, and I have to pay to update my licence. Now thats a con.
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JohnyWishbone
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Oh, I thought they did, or is that just if you want them to remove old points from it ?
They deffo charge if you want your foldy one changed into a piccy one, while changing address and removing points
Bastids should be wearing masks and stripey jumpers.
They deffo charge if you want your foldy one changed into a piccy one, while changing address and removing points
Bastids should be wearing masks and stripey jumpers.
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If it was just another form of ID then id agree with you. But how long before you must carry it? Even if it isnt illegal not to carry it how long will it be before people are suspicous of why you dont carry one? When you cant open a bank account or apply for anything with out one?
Whats wrong with a driving license or passport?
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I am completely against them. There is no evidence they will help against crime/illegal immigration in the slightest -- forgeries will be around probably before the originals are out.
And why should I have to carry a card ----- and if you don't have to carry it then what is the point of it in the first place ?
And I certainly dont buy the "if you have nothing t hide" group --- on that basis if you have nothing to hide you shouldnt complain about cctv cameras in your house etc -- because after all you have nothing to hide...
And why should I have to carry a card ----- and if you don't have to carry it then what is the point of it in the first place ?
And I certainly dont buy the "if you have nothing t hide" group --- on that basis if you have nothing to hide you shouldnt complain about cctv cameras in your house etc -- because after all you have nothing to hide...
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old.RedVenom
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Integrate them all into one I say; along with bank cards, NI, medical details, place of residence, et al.
Name: Winston Smith
Location: London, Oceania.
etc .........
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Agreed.
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dont agree on that. at least now if you lose one thing you still got another, but if everything is integrated int 1 card, you lose 1 thing and then you lost it all. it also makes it easier for people to commit fraud etc with all your personal details easily accesible in one place.
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Guy loses wallet on street, picked up by random person.
Exactly the same as losing the "one" card. It's no extra data security risk in that sense.
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Fucking hippies
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Is'nt a passport/driving license an ID by another name?
South Africa have had ID documents for many many years and I have never felt restricted by them....(your driving license becomes part of this if you ever get one btw)
In fact I have actually found it quite useful....they dont force you to carry it around with you.
I find it irritating in this country when you have to prove something you need several forms of "ID" like a recent bank statement or something similar...it would be so much easier just to show an ID card.
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We recently had Electoral Identity cards introduced over here, dunno about the mainland, but they're more or less ID cards: Have your photo, signature, name and address imprinted on them permanently.
And I personally don't see what the fucking problem is that people have with ID cards.
Shady fuckers.
And I personally don't see what the fucking problem is that people have with ID cards.
Shady fuckers.
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In principle they're great - in practice its a potential one-stop shop for tracking your every move. Mention was made of having your retina and fingerprints on ID cards as well as your picture. Then they have a database of both of those... the potential for misuse is obscene.
Do you REALLY trust the government to act in your best interests?
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I am for ID cards.
I don't see a problem with them. Those saying the "potential" for abuse is high. But then they exist in other countries and the system more or less work, as Dys said.
I'd much rather have just one ID card I can keep in my wallet rather than my crappy paper driving license and my passport AND some bill with my name and address on. Just hand over a card and that's it.
The government, supermarkets, doctors, ISP's whatever all electronically track us now anyway so what difference will it really make?
For a government to abuse these ID card they'd need a large majority to pass any laws which is the same situation now WITHOUT ID cards so what's the difference?
I don't see a problem with them. Those saying the "potential" for abuse is high. But then they exist in other countries and the system more or less work, as Dys said.
I'd much rather have just one ID card I can keep in my wallet rather than my crappy paper driving license and my passport AND some bill with my name and address on. Just hand over a card and that's it.
The government, supermarkets, doctors, ISP's whatever all electronically track us now anyway so what difference will it really make?
For a government to abuse these ID card they'd need a large majority to pass any laws which is the same situation now WITHOUT ID cards so what's the difference?
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the potential for abuse is high in any system
don't see the fuss really... it's not gonna kill me, not gonna cost me lot of money, and it might beneift me, as well as others.
Some people need to stop living in the past :/
don't see the fuss really... it's not gonna kill me, not gonna cost me lot of money, and it might beneift me, as well as others.
Some people need to stop living in the past :/
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Sar
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No, but what could they possibly do that they don't/can't do already?
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old.Fweddy
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They could take your card and hit you over the head with it.
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lynchet
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But surely the current system makes fraud harder. I take the point that if you drop your wallet say then someone gets all your stuff, but if you lose just one ID then its harder (though I accept not impossible) for people to do stuff with it than if they get your single "covers all" ID card.
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stick a picture on the ID card then
that should stop fraud
that should stop fraud
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people still fake things with pictures... like passports?
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yeah, but no one is gonna be able to use my card if it has my picture on it
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they can take ur details and put their own picture on it
then shit will happen
then shit will happen