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Scouse

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...mildly abusing the thread tags.

But enough about that. I'm probably going to hell - but I think this may be fucking ridiculous. Is it?

A six-year-old West Midlands girl who suffered severe brain damage in a car crash involving a speeding driver has been awarded nearly £5m compensation.....Cerys' family will in addition receive £450,000 a year for the rest of her life

Now, don't get me wrong. 5 million quid for being spacked up - not a problem. But not far short of half a million pounds a year for her family for the rest of her life?

Not being funny, but that seems excessive to me.

Don't get me wrong - the five million quid compo I haven't a problem with. But how much does a full-time carer cost if her mum wanted to go out to work?

On £450,000/year for life that's enough to give Mum, Dad, Brother and Sister £100k a year each and have £50k spare to pay a live-in carer :confused:


What do you get if you lose an arm or both arms, or an eye, or get blinded in a car accident? About five or ten grand? What do armed forces servicemen get when they lose both legs? What is disability benefit for a woman who's given birth to a disabled child rather than having one foisted upon her through a car accident?
 

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The yearly award will be based on the cost of specialist 24 hour care.

She must be in a very bad way but remember it can cost thousands a month just to put granny in a home.

Its not a windfall for the family and its rather daily mail of you to make big assumptions without knowing the facts.

The 5 million will include compensation - the yearly is purely based on ecpected costs.
 

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Hardly daily mail of me - I'm asking a question, not going "disabled immigrant gets disney lifestyle" am I? ;)
 

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does seem excessive tbfh, if she lives to be just 66 (fairly conservitive these days) that's £27,000,000 + the £5,000,000 lump sum, now I'm not here to discuss the value of a human life



but it sure as cunt isn't £32,000,000
 

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I don't think it's at all excessive. I'm far more concerned about the twats who claim for whiplash than I am an unfortunate young girl whose life has been ruined.
 

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Yeah , 5 million quid, the tawats up the top of the insurance tree see that as pocket money.
I'm sure they'd return every penny to see her back as she was.
 

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Personally the only disgrace is spending so much money on one person who will never, ever get better.

Think about how many homeless you could get off the streets for that money. Think what it'd buy a hospital.

Human life is not so fucking special and worthwhile that we need to spend millions, billions each year keeping people alive that quite frankly we should let die.
 

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What Tom said. Be interesting to see how much the minor personal damage claims cost compared to cases like this.
 

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Disclaimer:
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'Sorry love, the parts for your daughter will cost more than a new unit, we'll pay for IVF.
 

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Personally the only disgrace is spending so much money on one person who will never, ever get better.

Think about how many homeless you could get off the streets for that money. Think what it'd buy a hospital.

Human life is not so fucking special and worthwhile that we need to spend millions, billions each year keeping people alive that quite frankly we should let die.
as harsh as this sounds I totally agree, we have population issues, pension issues, natural resource issues and we send out the message that one 6 year old girl is worth £32 million cause she was in a car crash, unfortunately it happens every day in every country in the world, it's not a unique case and the money being thrown at it is obscene
 

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I think the money is ridiculous I would be interested to see how much could be saved if she was staying at a hospital rather than being at home. I can't imagine she has any quality of life so would it hurt her to be in a ward rather than paying half a mil so she can be at home.
 

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If that was your daughter, you'd have his insurance lawyers by the neck and the driver would have to leave the country for his own safety.
 

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Job said:
If that was your daughter, you'd have his insurance lawyers by the neck and the driver would have to leave the country for his own safety.

I would not give a fuck about his insurance lawyers if it was my daughter I hate our society now where everyone wonders what they can get out of it.
 

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yep, the driver should have been more severly punished, and I would want revenge, money wouldn't change that for me

£450k per year will employ 15 senior nurses...... does she need that many? i very much doubt it
 

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If that was your daughter, you'd have his insurance lawyers by the neck and the driver would have to leave the country for his own safety.

If it was my daughter I wouldn't want her to spend the rest of her life being nothing but a near vegetable, in pain constantly.

Money wouldn't come into it.
 

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When they work out compensation for this type of thing what do they base it on? I don't think anyone here really knows how much the medical care would cost.
 

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do they keep getting it if the kid dies? just asking.
 

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Wayne Rooney has the same mental ability and he's paid about the same for it.
 

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That raises another question, which may be in poor taste and if it offends any parents I appoligise. Given that money, if they said here is an operation that could let you daughter live a normal life but its a 1/3 shot she survives and is better. Now taking the risk is already a tough call given the chances of survival but could the money influence the choices being made for her care?
 

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Critical care is often seen to be expensive because there is an awareness of how much it costs to treat relatively few patients and that it requires high staff/patient ratios, intensive monitoring and therapeutic inputs. Edbrooke and colleagues estimated the average cost per patient day in 11 ICUs was £1,000, suggesting that a critically ill patient costs six times more per day than a non-critically ill patient on the ward. Bennett and Bion have estimated the cost per intensive care bed day at £1,000-£1,800, with salaries accounting for over 60%, pharmacy for 10%, and disposables for a further 10%

Yep depends if she is "critically ill" which i do not think she is or she would not be sent home? Plus in a hospital she would have a better standard of care and more resources at her disposal should anything go wrong?
 

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Yep depends if she is "critically ill" which i do not think she is or she would not be sent home?

If she needs 24 hour care (which she does) then she wouldnt be able to be on a normal ward but would have to be in a high dependency unit which is part of critical care - even normal ward places arent cheap though. Nothing the NHS does is cheap.

You cant 'live' in a hospital and at least at home she would be in a familiar place - I dont think theres likely to be much in it costwise between home and hospital in the end.
 

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I though critically ill meant knocking on deaths doors, you can still be on the icu with out being critically ill I think. We don't know enough about her specific needs to know for sure. But paying for a Nurse to be at her bed the whole time just for her can not be cheaper than on a ward where 5 nurses can look after 6 patients ect.
 

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I though critically ill meant knocking on deaths doors, you can still be on the icu with out being critically ill I think. We don't know enough about her specific needs to know for sure. But paying for a Nurse to be at her bed the whole time just for her can not be cheaper than on a ward where 5 nurses can look after 6 patients ect.

Intensive care = at deaths door

High Dependency = in a bad way but generally stable like recovering from surgery - they need more monitoring than normal but arent expected to croak.

Intensive Care + High Dependency = Critical Care

Your not just paying for a nurse - your paying for several shifts of nurses + medicines + the building + machines etc. etc. 1000-1800 a day.

Thats why the awards so high - its purely going to be based on the costs - we just dont realise how expensive proper 24 hour medical care is.
 

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If it was my daughter I wouldn't want her to spend the rest of her life being nothing but a near vegetable, in pain constantly.

Money wouldn't come into it.
Indeed. However I sincerely hope that nobody has to find themselves in that situation.
 

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