Hunters vs. other archers

[Fafner]

Why do people insist on comparing classes with 1vs1 examples..
They are not the same and while they might share some traits and skills they roles will be different.

If the class you play has trouble soloing, your spec might be wrong or that class is just very poor for soloing.
Solution change spec or start grouping... maybe even roll a different char.

If the class you play has trouble soloing similar classes of other realms, your spec might be wrong or maybe you should consider the fact, that your role might not be to kill your counterparts of the other realms.. or to be albe to kill every class you meet.. some classes just are better for 1vs1. You might want to consider chosing different targets.. maybe changing your strategy..

I hate the fact that many of the classes and the realms are getting more and more similar.especially with the new RA's comming..

But if ppl insist on soloing each and every char they meet, well then I guess all classes will end up having similar stats and abilities.. caster or stealther wont matter.. just spam 1 button and /rand 100 and see if you win.. all the same all random.. no skill no fun.. stop yer whining about your class being inferior to their counterparts, and stop comparing them like they are all you ever fight..



/RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT off

 

[Konah]

hunters are fine, if u think thier gimped u either not spec'd right or not playing it right.

 

[Big Ugly]

hunters are fine, if u think thier gimped u either not spec'd right or not playing it right.

and you come to this conclusion how exactly?

 

[vintervargen]

and you come to this conclusion how exactly?

what's wrong with hunters?

 

[Big Ugly]

hunters share many problems with their fellow archers, fighting/shooting at high evade classes or shield classes is a waste of time. then there's the whole 'stealthwars' in which archers underpreform v assassins

but anyways....hunters

My biggest problem with hunter is that they have next to no defense (evade2, slashweak armour, no shield not even unspecable), which is further worsened by they crappy spearstyles. Almost all spearstyles have def penalties. the spearstyle chains are bad too, with a forked double bleed chain in there which just sucks. Sword is an option, but 1 of the good reasons (imo) to go sword would be the option of switching 1h/2h, but being unable to carry a shield sorta make the 1h sword not a viable option. It seem to me that a char with small defensive capabilities should at least have the damage potential to make up for this, but this is not the case.

On to the biggest thing people point at that goes in hunters favour: instant doggy. Not all hunters, but most spec that they will have blue (green + 1lvl) pet. Apart from doggy and speedshout there's nothing good in a BC, a specline that does eat alot of specpoints just to get the dog.

The dog is somewhat flawed for a hunter tho in it's uses. 1500unit attack range, while the hunter has 2000 units range on his bow. See the problem? The dog is entirely to slow, infact they should make the a sloth instead of a wolf, cus how many wolfs can you outrun at normal runnignspeed? Unlike other pets it has no special procs or abilities and is typically unbuffed, eventho our BC offers a petbuff (this is only used in PvE, or maybe a rare ambush or standoff situation). In other words, besides a tool to interupt casters the dog is of little use. Kiting is almost never an option because the dog is too slow.

then there are the shortcomings versus other archers. Hunters have the shortest bow range, no access to the slowest bows yet the ranger/scout did get acces to our fast bows and ofcourse everybody get RF now. Hunters don't autotrain anything, unlike the other 2 archers. As for melee, DW>shield+1h>2h . Yes the spear may hit hard, problem is actually hitting anything. Meanwhile due to the hunters crap defenses he's being killed rather swiftly by just about anything with a meleespec

well...that's about it i think

not saying hunter don't or can't do well, but the class does have it's problems. Especially in the 'stealthwars' and as an effective solo class, which hunters are designed to be by default.

 

[Jaem-]

Hunters are very nice, tho simular to NS, require high RR, for tools such as AP, IP and Purge.

I prefer playing a hunter to a scout tbh, for solo play at least.

 

[Freetha]

**coughs** well.. with Dodger getting removed from the game in frontiers.. hunters will have only Evade II... now.. how much evade do the other bow classes get??
(not an irony question.. I honestly don't know)

 

[Freetha]

imho.. give hunters more evade.. and/or casters ac for theyr bc ac buff.. and a little more range on the bow please.. just for the sake of "balance"

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

afaik Scouts get Evade 1 ... and they s00k in melee so may as well just get rid of it

 

[Big Ugly]

scouts get evade3

same goes for rangers....

 

[Conchabar]

afaik Scouts get Evade 1 ... and they s00k in melee so may as well just get rid of it

lmao how can u have a scout and not know they have evade 3 lol nub

 

[Dafft]

Bleh Scouts get evade 3

and they dont suck in melee just gotta know how to play.

Hell I get accused of cheating in duels cos I drink end pots...nerf Slam->crit-->engage 1 min timer ->slam -> crit

the whole idea on Ranged char's is that melee should be the last possible option. you got various "Tools" to help you:

Scout: Slam & Crit
Hunter: Speedboostfortehwin (& if Hi RR AP) 'Come back so I may brain thee'
Ranger: DW (& again if hi RR AP)

wat you might forget (in the adrenaline rush of battle) is that there are ways of overcoming your crap melee, I mean if Ranged chars were meant to spec in melee & ranged then we would get 2.5x points like gimpfiltrators.

P.S. is it possible to become a crithunter?? ie a 2handed Hunter?

 

[Conchabar]

P.S. is it possible to become a crithunter?? ie a 2handed Hunter?

u mean a hunter that specs sword or spear? yes

 

[Dafft]

neat you can have a 2h sword hunter Oo bonus, you get some f00ing ace looking 2handed weapons in mid

 

[Conchabar]

neat you can have a 2h sword hunter Oo bonus, you get some f00ing ace looking 2handed weapons in mid

spear does more dmg negate the looks think of dmg :d

 

[Renwind]

im using battler currently lvl7 just for the accuray boost procc and maybe the lvl10 charge (dunno yet cause i havent tried that one but sounds good)

 

[Leel]

Well, I love my hunter, I actually managed to kill one rr4 ns in melee and got another rr4 ns to half hp before he killed me, and they were both about to jump me, but I spotted them and none of them were able to land pa. I got 44 spear, and use a conglomeration of toa and tg drops, even used omni hunter boots:-P No final sc yet. I'm also not speced for melee combat ra wise as I only have mop1 and I'm rr3. It's possible that their buffs weren't the best, but they aren't the only ones I ripped apart in pure melee. Imo, hunters are fine. Oh, did I say I got dragonfanged by rr 2 level 50 infil and when I came out of stun he had only gotten me to 50%, I proceeded to kill him with 10% left. And yes he was buffed too.

 

[Margaret]

... and were you buffed?

(Silly question, maybe, but hey, someone has to ask it)

 

[Glacier]

A Shar Ranger with:
34 Stealth
44 Pierce
36 Celtic Dual
27 Bow
26 Pathfinding

2 heat LW, SoM and some additional artifacts. With ToA bb.

VS the equals of the other realms.. I would say the ranger would win, atleast with some RR.

Sure, Hunters got that nasty dog and a spear, but the spear is slow, and if evaded or missed more than 1 time in a row the Hunter dosent have much of a chanse.
2 Hunters vs 2 Rangers the hunters would win i think cause of massive damage on first hits +2 pets eating the ranger up. vs scouts i think it would be the same, hunters winning, small shield can only block 1 opponent at a time(afaik)

The Scout is good, but better when teamed with other stealthers (feels flame coming on) shield skill is not to be taken lightly, a player who can play his shield spec char to the max is dangerous indeed.



Conclusion is:
Solo the ranger would win.
Duo the hunters would win.
Teamed with other stealthers, the scouts would win. (sad but true).
<Taken into consideration all these are primary melee specced>

((NB: im not saying this is what its like in all situations, read before you flame, but in my opinion, this is what would happen most of the time))

 

[Spix]

Atleast I have fun playing my hunter.

Only thing I think is a bit bad is the run speed on pet, give whip of encouragement in bc spec tbh

Spear may be slow swinging compared to dual wield but 1 hit equals 5 dual wield hits in damage (300-500 damage) so no problem realy, and its no problem tweaking down a 5.5spd spear to 2 sec / swings as a kobold, with ras and toa gear. Its not like a spear hero or polearmsman in slow hits.

 

[Bishibosh]

spear does more dmg negate the looks think of dmg :d

am i remembering wrong or did Hatts use a high spec spear? He seemed to do okay and had some nice dmg screenies to show all lol

 

[Glacier]

Atleast I have fun playing my hunter.

Only thing I think is a bit bad is the run speed on pet, give whip of encouragement in bc spec tbh

Spear may be slow swinging compared to dual wield but 1 hit equals 5 dual wield hits in damage (300-500 damage) so no problem realy, and its no problem tweaking down a 5.5spd spear to 2 sec / swings as a kobold, with ras and toa gear. Its not like a spear hero or polearmsman in slow hits.

cap swing speed ;o

before ToA, would like to see some heat LW in action

 

[Jaem-]

cap swing speed ;o

before ToA, would like to see some heat LW in action

thats some nice dmg going on there.

Have any screenies of dmg with ToA gear?

 

[Glacier]

thats some nice dmg going on there.

Have any screenies of dmg with ToA gear?

nope the ranger is no more, inactive as you see on sig.

But back on subject, only scouts i met wich i lost to was Aoln, hunters were kipu and snoring (for some reason always together , not one on one) apart from that archer vs archer i must say the ranger is on top, as far as melee goes. even tho spear sure is nice, great dmg and all that, but one miss, and half your fight is over, with ranger you can have 5 sec stun off evade (and evade 3, compared to hunter's evade 2) and that is much easier to land than the hunter's, wich you need to "lag em up" to time your back positional stun, wich some may find cheating.

scouts have a nice stun, sure, with the 42 shield, but rarely ws to back it up, slam takes like 25 fatigue with small shield, something that will leave you empty after 4 misses, burning a endpot just for slamming may seem waste, i never met a melee (29+ slash ) specced scout tho, things might be different then, i dont know, but from basic points i would say, as i said before, in a one on one a ranger would most of the time come out on top.

:worthy: Over to you bob!

 

[Leleith]

Is the dog that hunters get at high bc really making up for the Scouts shield spec and the rangers dual wield ?

No. Not even close. Evade 2, 2h weapon as only choise (as we cant wield a small shield even if we want to), no autotrain, fastest bows with the smallest range of the 3. Broken buffs in BC (points at the af buff that will just eat your power when casting it). That dog is close to useless if you ask me. Its nice for sniffing fleing stealthers. But i would rather change that for more offense or better defense.

Give us back our damn chain or give us evade 3, at once!