HS2

[Job]

Yup, and they are appealing it, but these are the strangest days, many pivotal points in the way the world sees itself.

 

[Gwadien]

Cancelling HS2 would be nowhere near as detrimental to the UK as postponing the 3rd runway at Heathrow.

Why is a 3rd runway at Heathrow inevitable?

 

[Job]

Oh look, if you do the 'big picture' thing, not the simple cherry picking.

Trains arent anywhere as good as they seem.
Planes just fly in empty space, trains require huge infrastructure and maintenance of the entire route.
Train can be worse for climate than plane

 

[Embattle]

The second word in the link...reaching.

 

[Scouse]

The second word in the link...reaching.

Can be. Just not always.

Don't see how that's reaching. Did you read the points about where electrified trsins get their electricity from, infrastructure costs and passenger numbers?

It's not particularly surprising tbh.

 

[Embattle]

Can be. Just not always.

Don't see how that's reaching. Did you read the points about where electrified trsins get their electricity from, infrastructure costs and passenger numbers?

It's not particularly surprising tbh.

The grid is going to go greener a faster than any plane will, with renewable sources providing nearly 40% of grids needs at times.

 

[Bodhi]

The grid is going to go greener a faster than any plane will, with renewable sources providing nearly 40% of grids needs at times.

Gotta love a bit of greenwashing. Like the "renewable" power sources that involve cutting down trees in Canada, shipping them across the Atlantic, and burning them in Drax.

Take that out, and Wind, Solar and Hyrdo are meeting less than 17% of demand currently.

Chances of getting to 100% Electricity generation in the UK without building a shedload of nukes? Zero. Sweet FA.

 

[Embattle]

Gotta love a bit of greenwashing. Like the "renewable" power sources that involve cutting down trees in Canada, shipping them across the Atlantic, and burning them in Drax.

Take that out, and Wind, Solar and Hyrdo are meeting less than 17% of demand currently.

Chances of getting to 100% Electricity generation in the UK without building a shedload of nukes? Zero. Sweet FA.

I considered Nuclear as a green source although not renewable in my comment.

 

[Gwadien]

HS2 rail project work begins with pledge of 22,000 jobs

Work on the controversial rail line formally starts on Friday, with Boris Johnson saying it will "fire up growth".

www.bbc.co.uk

£100bn for 22,000 new jobs.

I bet Hitler is turning in his ash.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not convinced bragging about HS2 is wise when you consider how people are currently not using public transport any where near as much as pre-covid, even if this changes and numbers increase they'll still be a reduction.

 

[Raven]

View: https://twitter.com/vizcomic/status/1249615053860503552

 

[Raven]

I'm not convinced bragging about HS2 is wise when you consider how people are currently not using public transport any where near as much as pre-covid, even if this changes and numbers increase they'll still be a reduction.

Waste of time now that many people that would use it now work from home and have their meetings over zoom.

 

[Embattle]

Waste of time now that many people that would use it now work from home and have their meetings over zoom.

Least it might be ready by the time it is needed now...I guess

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not convinced bragging about HS2 is wise when you consider how people are currently not using public transport any where near as much as pre-covid, even if this changes and numbers increase they'll still be a reduction.

I'm not sure how you interpreted my post as a brag.

 

[BloodOmen]

consultants, consultants, consultants

^ this

Also overpaid wankers

 

[Embattle]

I'm not sure how you interpreted my post as a brag.

I didn't really consider your post, just the news article.

 

[Scouse]

Plus massively expensive compulsory purchase orders and compensation payouts along the route. Oh, and moving a river.

CPO's aren't expensive in terms of compensation to the end party. The O/H is involved in it - people don't make much (if any, and often dispute and would lose out - all for being forced from homes they may have lived in their whole lives).

 

[Scouse]

View: https://twitter.com/vizcomic/status/1249615053860503552

Businessmen!

Save the government billions of pounds by obviating the need for massive transportation systems by working from fucking home.

 

[Embattle]

HS2 drilling machines arrive in UK from Germany

The two contraptions (pictured, part of them) were transported from Germany to a construction site in Hertfordshire near the M25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Eviction of Euston tunnel HS2 protesters can continue, judge rules

Court rejects claim that contractor is not handling removal of demonstrators safely

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

HS2 Leeds link cut amid promise to transform rail

I don't understand this though, because the East Midlands hub has been expanded quite a bit, i'd imagine in preparation for HS2, it's literally quite a big station in the middle of nowhere and it's barely used as it is.

More wastage I guess.

 

[Embattle]

It also appears they even flattened some houses ready for HS2 which is now no longer going to be used.

 

[Raven]

HS2 Leeds link cut amid promise to transform rail

I don't understand this though, because the East Midlands hub has been expanded quite a bit, i'd imagine in preparation for HS2, it's literally quite a big station in the middle of nowhere and it's barely used as it is.

More wastage I guess.

Yep, but that's been and gone now, lots of Eton folk very happy, tyvm.

 

[Embattle]

‘We are a political project’: how HS2’s costs have spiralled out of control

Placating Conservatives in marginal seats, inflation in construction and a maze of bureaucracy have seen the cost balloon from £32bn to £71bn

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tom]

I'm not sure I'd complain about too much bureaucracy, the last thing we want is a repeat of the huge mistakes made in the 50s, 60s and 70s, when we bulldozed our way through cities and neighbourhoods, building motorway viaducts and ring roads.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not sure I'd complain about too much bureaucracy, the last thing we want is a repeat of the huge mistakes made in the 50s, 60s and 70s, when we bulldozed our way through cities and neighbourhoods, building motorway viaducts and ring roads.

There is far too much of it, an example from the this politico article:

But Dumitriu says Britain has a specific problem — the high costs and complexity caused by the vagaries of its planning system, which seems designed to protect countryside at all costs. He points to a proposed new crossing of the Thames estuary for which the planning application alone cost £267 million — and ran to 60,000 pages.

Nearly every UK government talks about reforming the planning system but they never really do, it is sort of how we often hear about plans to reform other basic but complex systems such tax system, etc.