How would you rate these actors?

[Damini]

It wasn't originality or anything else that bugged me, and infact most of the films I hate I enjoyed while I watched them. I'm so knackered I#m actually having traumas lifting my fingers to type, which is why i didnt want to go into this before, but here goes... I hate films that use me like an emotional whore, that push some deliberately emotive buttons regardless of context or need in order to just wrangle a response. That's why Titanic fucks me off so intensely, with its blatant "mummy, I'm scared!" lines that are just shafted in there to make you cry. You don't know who the fuck the little urchin is, and frankly two minutes later you don't give a damn anyway, he's just there to deliver some death rattle in a cute way, make your chin wobble, and then disappear until the actor is revived for a toilet roll commercial.

By the same measure, I enjoyed What Dreams May Come when I watched it. Pretty, I thought. Robin Williams is a good actor, I thought. And then I actually see the plot and think its rank that such beauty and prettiness and fine acting and budget should go to wrap a concept as ugly as "if you commit suicide you get eternal damnation". It was sad, but for all the wrong reasons. Pious idiology wrapped and endorsed by Hollywood. Thank you very much, but no ta. Even the copy of watchtower doesn't take two hours to get through.

 

[old.ignus]

so what you're saying is you don't like showing emotion for a film, and you think What dreams may come is a film to boost the churches idea that commiting suicide will send you to hell. No I think it would have been a very bad film had she committed suicide and gone to heaven anyway. The idea behind the film was that he would give up heaven to battle his way through hell to find her because he loved her, it was a story about love not religion, its just that the heaven and hell idea was the best situatuion to represent his devotion to her.

Sorry to have caused you finger trauma but this film is one of the cherished memories of my ex girlfriend who just before watching the film I had fought to get back then lost again soon after.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by SomeGuy
DON'T IGNORE MY MAMMOTH POST, YOU BASTARDS!

De Niro is so not below Pacino, they are at the very least even.

 

[Damini]

I don't mind showing emotion for a film, but I do resent being tricked into it by cheap tactics. I cry at anything, not ashamed to admit it, Lassie gets a limp and I sob, Watership Down had me wailing like I was in a Greek Tragedy... but I recognise cheap trigger lines to pull emotions and thats what grates. I'd rather cry during Braveheart than any one of those endless I've got terminal cancer, love my children please films that are on UK Living. Both will make me cry equally, but Braveheart because of an amalgam of acting, script, context, characterisation, and the latter because some stage school shite wails "I love you mom, don't leave me!". Hence me feeling cheated because the ploy is so transparent. (I've woken up a bit now..)

I appreciate that you watched this film in a moment of loved up ness. I didn't. At the time I was doing bitter and twisted in ways that would make mens bat sense tingle and as I passed they would protectively cup their balls, not even consciously registering why. And so I saw the film in a completely different light. And to this day I HATE IT.

 

[Sar]

Ignus is right, WDMC is a story about love, and to what lengths 1 person will go to for someone whom he loves very deeply.

The whole Christian ideology was merely a common denominatorial plot device.

How emotionally involved do you think Western audiences (for lo, they were its target) would have been if the ideology used had been Indian/chinese/aboriginal? Or more extreme still had they been athiest/agnostic or believed in re-incarnation rather than an afterlife (which is basically what the ideology was, but as I mentioned previously with the target audience being largely christian the christian ideology would be the one most readily accessible to them, thus permitting the story-writers to get that plot device across easier)?

*ahem*

 

[Damini]

Fine, heaven, hell, beautiful, touching, wonderful metaphor for the extremities of love, yabededa.... but she could at least have stabbed someone in the eye to get there.

 

[Sar]

Would she have deserved to be rescued if she was a murderess though?

Hmm?

 

[Damini]

Gah, you're so effing pedantic. The film was shite, because the supporting crux for the whole Oh So Beautiful heaven hell premise was the fact that she was condemned to eternal suffering by committing suicide. There was other stuff sinfully wrong with the film, but it was a long time ago I saw it.

Its hardly a denomitorial plot premise when it is the through line of the entire film.

So you soppy bastards can get sniffily over the beauty of it all if you like, fair enough, but in my humble opinion (as well as my educated one) it was wank. If I'd watched it with the sound off, I'd probably have loved it though.

 

[old.tivoli]

Russell Crowe 8
Marlon Brando 8
Robert De Niro 8
Al Pacino 8
Brad Pitt 7
Jimmy Stewart 7
Tom Hanks 5
Johnny Depp 2
Denzel Washington 2
Sean Penn 1
Edward Norton 0


Based on their films

 

[Summo]

Christ almighty... Russell Crowe gets the same score as Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.

Audiences today...

 

[Sar]

Its hardly a denomitorial plot premise when it is the through line of the entire film.

:touch:

 

[old.samm]

Re: Re: How would you rate these actors?

Johnny Depp-7. He is subtle and chooses films that he belives in (although they often turn out to be pants, but not for his lack of acting ability), he's pretty. Who can fault Eating Gilbert Grape.
Sean Penn-6. Don't know much about his films although he is good when I see him and for some reason I am excited about I am Sam. I just dont find him a over memorable actor.
Brad Pitt-8. Like him in most things he's done. Especially liked him in Twelve monkeys. He plays insane well! Need we mention Fight Club.
Denzel Washington-7. I want to like him more. His acting is superb in whatever I see him in (Loved fallen), and yet for some reason I have a nagging doubt about him. I think that he scared me in a film or something.
Tom Hanks-8. You cant fault his acting. Or his dedication (Castaway). But i preferred his older films (ie The Money Pit, Joe meets the Volcano, One red Shoe.)
Russell Crowe-8. He was excellent in the Outsider. Haven't seen Beautiful mind yet though but Really want too. Shame he seems like a bit of an arse.
Marlon Brando-?. Never seen anything apart from his bit part in (cant remember the name, Ed Norton played retarded and Bobby De niro was in it)
Robert De Niro-8. Or Bobby as I know him. What a Pro
Edward Norton-9. Wow. From American X and Fight club. Whatever this man touches (apart from Death to Smoochy). He is a genius. He also completly out acted Brad Pitt in Fight Club, whatever anyone says.
Al Pacino-8. Theres always a place in my heart for Al. Donnie Brasco, Scent of a Woman, Devils Advocate (his part only).
Kevin Spacey-9. He may be my favourite. He's so calm and confident. Loved him in Pay it forward Usual Suspects, American Beauty, K-pax Everything he's ever done pretty much.

For girllies I love Cate Blanchett a lot.

 

[Summo]

Is that you, Samm or Tremor?

STOP THE MADNESS!

 

[old.samm]

It is I Samm. Trem is at work. Why are my actor ratings boy ratings, is that what confused you Summo.

 

[]SK[]

This seems the most active thred.

/me seeks the opportunity

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21705

 

[Trem]

Holy cow sammy your poor lickle fingers must be bleeding after that mammoth effort(how many times did you have to check for typo's?), What confuses you summo?do you think me and samm are one and the same? You can tell by her superior interlect and grammer that it ain't me, I often reply and don't check who's signed in, hence it sez samm and not tremor Hmmmmm although if I had samm's boobies maybe I wouldn't need her hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[old.ignus]

Originally posted by Damini
Both will make me cry equally, but Braveheart because of an amalgam of acting, script, context, characterisation,

erm hate to mention this but William wallace was one of the most evil men in Scotland, he was as guilty for just as much bloody acts as the English put together, which makes the films an utter lie and offensive to the people of England. You mentioned holywood making stuff crap, well here's a prime example of it. Anyway everyone is entittled to an opinion so lets just drop it I am aware I just brought it up again, so starting........now!

 

[old.ignus]

Originally posted by Sar
Ignus is right

my new sig

 

[Summo]

Originally posted by +SA+SerialKilla
This seems the most active thred.

/me seeks the opportunity

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21705

Sorted. I'll email you an invoice.

 

[Damini]

Bah, you can't say to a woman I've bought up this topic again to disprove you, have the final word and then play the maturity card and ask for the topic to be dropped. That's just like wearing your favourite red suit to the Rabid Bulls Free For All meeting.

All history is screwed. Macbeth was actually one of the best Kings that Scotland ever had. Braveheart could have eaten babies for all I care. It made a good script. What Dreams May Come didn't. It was flawed and crass. But you liked it, and thats fair enough. Its all subjective isnt it

 

[stu]

Regardless of history, Braveheart was a crap film The ironic thing was, all the critics slated it when it came out, giving it at best "average" reviews... then it cleaned up at the oscars (god knows how) and suddenly everyone decided it was an amazing film.

I also thought it amusing how Gibson then made exactly the same film a few years later with the Patriot. Again taking a crooked, sadistic and murderous character from the past and turning him into a selfless hero.

 

[mr.Blacky]

might I say that all movies use the emotion move? They might do it through music, script, acting but they all do it if they are fictional.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
might I say that all movies use the emotion move?

You might indeed, but I don't understand what you're talking about

 

[old.ignus]

Originally posted by Damini
That's just like wearing your favourite red suit to the Rabid Bulls Free For All meeting.

bulls are colour blind

the red cape is just for show

you learn something new everyday

 

[Damini]

I liked Braveheart, but I hated The Patriot. I don't generally go with what reviewers say, in case you haven't noticed, but I'm a disagreeable moody cow and won't be told what is and isn't good, I want to find out for myself. I saw The Patriot on the first day it was released in America, knowing nothing about it, and I actually walked out halfway through to have a ciggie and write plot developments on a pop corn packet. Everytime I got one right, me and my brother cheered, and the american natives got hostile. The Patriot was shite because the crowd triggers were so blatant, "Oh no, nobody is going to turn up... sad.... WAIT! Here's the whole world turning up at once! Happy!" Oh look, a mute child, I wonder, could she? Possibly? Talk? Retching wank. All films use emotional triggers, thats true Mr Blackshirt, but its the skill of weaving them into the script or just slapping them on the surface of the film just for the sake of the reaction that differentiates between a good film and a filthy whore of a film.

 

[Damini]

Originally posted by ignus


bulls are colour blind

the red cape is just for show

you learn something new everyday

Its a metaphor. Stop being such a pedant!

 

[old.ignus]

Originally posted by Damini


Its a metaphor. Stop being such a pedant!

Yes but it was hopelessly flawed by common beliefs and lies and I was only trying to educate the weak minded.

 

[bodhi]

My favourite actors in no particular order:-

Bruce Willis - Loved every film I've seen him in, especially his Pre- Pulp Fiction ones. Die Hard 1 and 2, Last Boy Scout and Hudson Hawk (gloriously off its tits and hilarious at the same time).

John Cusack - Most under-rated actor oout there. See Grosse Point Blank, The Sure Thing or Better off Dead for Proof.

Al Pacino - obviously.

Marlon Brando - Awesome in Godfather and Apocalypse Now.

Sean Connery - The coolest person ever. Period.

Harrison Ford - Indiana Jones, Han Solo and Blade Runner. Nuff said.

Matthew Perry - Only knows how to play one character (himself) but fuck me is it funny.

Sean Gullette - Watch Pi to see why.

Can't be fucked to do any more. I'm off to revise more accounting.

PS - What Dreams May Come is the second worst film of all time. After Romi and Michelle's High School Reunion.

 

[Trem]

Hmmm strange that samm didn't mention John Cusack, perhaps she lied about liking him to throw me off the scent of her Johnny Depp obsession I enjoyed Sean Connery as the russian submarine commander in Hunt for...... I especially liked his authentic russian accent(not) and his wonderful accent playing a spanish geezer in Highlander 2 as well(not) I'm sorry but Sean Connery sux ass and he didn't make the best Bond, Roger Moore did.











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