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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal then others.
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Oh my god. You have absolutely no clue what's going on do you?
Saddam isn't dumb, he has no ties with Al Qaida. He doesn't want Bin Laden in his country. Saddam isn't an extreme muslim, he's an evil dictator. Bin Laden fights for his belief, Saddam fights for his power. Big difference, imo
Just a FYI - there are ~50 US/UK deaths in the war and about ~2000-3000 Iraqi deaths. So it is fair to kill them, but when they kill you it's bad? Hypocrit
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Originally posted by Karam_gruul
for starters, i have no family or friends in iraq. secondly, the brave soldiers out there are there to basically save the world. as i said in my previous post, saddam and his people have to die. the brave soldiers throwing down they're lives for the good of the world are among the most admirable people on the planet imo.
and yea, its easy to throw bombs on people far away, and its more fun
bottom line is, i beleive nearly all iraqies hate us. i've seen things on tv, where they're all basically saying they absolutly hate all british and americans, and love saddam houssain. that makes them no better than him, and gives them as much right to die as him. its a nation of absolute hatred, evil, and we need to nuke um.
It's a nation in which men, women and children have a life just like in America. You know why the Iraqi people hate the americans? Because you left them there to DIE and didn't give a shit.
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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Saddam isn't dumb, he has no ties with Al Qaida. He doesn't want Bin Laden in his country. Saddam isn't an extreme muslim, he's an evil dictator. Bin Laden fights for his belief, Saddam fights for his power. Big difference, imo
They both support Palestinian terrorism, are both Anti-Israeli/West and have sizeable track records.
They recently both came out and said they don't like each other for differing reasons... truth?
Or just a good way to make the US/West look stupid and further their own causes?
Common enemies yield unlikely ties.
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The US is bombing those people. Look them in the eye and say you want to nuke them, Karam. I certainly can't.
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Isn't this just using the pro-war argument against pro-war people now?
It's one of the reasons that people support the action, that we give a shit about the liberation of these people... this thread is getting weirder and weirder.
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You keep saying you're liberating them, but you aren't. A lot of Iraqi's hate the Americans just like they hate (?) Saddam.
Bush doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world, HE thinks HE has to "liberate" the Iraqi people and therefore he will. Any help appreciated but not necessary. The US should be removed from the UN and Security Council right away. imo
Bush doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world, HE thinks HE has to "liberate" the Iraqi people and therefore he will. Any help appreciated but not necessary. The US should be removed from the UN and Security Council right away. imo
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I agree with Karam. You rock, dude!
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Anyways, it's not the USA's and UK's attention to bomb innocent civilians on purpose. They use precision- and laser guided missiles which are pretty accurate, but in some cases mistakes happen and residential houses and civilians gets hit, but that's just part of the war.
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Getting rid of a regime that rules through terror and fear, and replacing it with anything, anyone else is well worth a shot.
If it leads to a proper democratic state where all Iraqi people get a say and have a choice, all well and good.
If it leads to some tinpot dictator taking over from whatever is imposed, then so be it - at least some people will be able to hold their heads high knowing that they at least tried.
And chances of a regime in Iraq being anywhere near as bad as the current one is likely to be lessened by the fact that many nations have gone in there and removed them.
The UN is obselete nowadays anyhow, they waste too much time talking themselves into circles and too many nations don't want to enforce the resolutions they signed up for.
Seriously, with the way the UN and particularly the west has played the whole Iraqi situation, Saddam must have been killing himself laughing.
Some nations, particularly France, are intent in throwing a spanner in the works at every turn, thinking they have any political weight. God knows why they are even on the permanant members council anyhow, all they did was just roll over.
You could and probably would say that many people in the middle east dislike America, especially if you only get that kind of information from the TV. Yes a lot of Iraqi hate America, and a lot you'll find won't.
Plus also, if I were in trouble in my life, if my worst enemy came to help me, I certainly wouldn't refuse, and it might even lead to a new found respect.
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Yeah so we have to accept it and watch...
Nice new account name btw
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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
The US is bombing those people. Look them in the eye and say you want to nuke them, Karam. I certainly can't.
Then please tell me how you intend to stop Saddam killing these people, raping and torturing them.
Can YOU look them in the eye and say "12 more years?"
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I dunno.. we'll see how this ends. I will accept the deaths caused by this war, I'm just hoping Saddam will be removed quickly and the US gets extremely lucky with their fight against the republican guard.
Now the war started anyway I hope it'll end asap. It's a choice between Saddam and Bush now - I will choose for Bush. But what was wrong with the inspectors? They were doing a good job.
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Nope I can't, those people are suffering either way. That's why they should have the chance to choose - 12 years of Saddam or a war which results to thousands of deaths. Unfortunately they can't choose - because if they do they will get shot. So others choose for them, which, in this case are the US and the UK. Without support from the rest of the world.
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i would nuke the middle one he looks really evul, the next hitler i think, honest
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It's kind of not the subject anyone should make jokes about imo..
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US Government estimate that they will need 200.000 US troops to occupy Iraq. Dunno if they will however.
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I'm american
I have TV
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Well for starters they don't stop the Iraqi regime harming their own people.
Secondly, they can only find things they are looking for if they either receive cooperation or there are enough to be virtually everywhere at once.
Thirdly, they didn't even know about the camoflagued chemical weapons facility or the terror camp in the north with the Ricin.
(and yes I accept the chemical weapons facility had no signs of current stock)
So, you decide. What do you do? Try to deal with all the issues and right the wrongs of the past in one throw of the dice, or let Dr Blix stumble around in the desert for the next God knows how long, repeatedly going back to the UN reporting that "Iraq doesn't seem to be intent on cooperating, but they are getting rid of a few old missiles"?
What Arthwyr said sums it all up, it may hurt now, but you do in the knowledge that you are doing the right thing for it to be better in the end and at least in the knowledge that you tried.... basically because you you give a damn.
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hate to say this VF cause i like you but grow up, you not wanting them to do it aint gonna stop them, they dont need to ask your permission to kill them,
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No they can't choose, so it's either the West, who don't gas, torture and rape their own people, or Saddam to choose, a man who imposes his will on them every single day.
Hmm... tough call.
And PLEASE it's not just the US and UK. They DO have support from many other countries around the world, just not some of the big ones that have their own seflish, arrogant agenda.
Every country, every leader, every person on the planet does things to further their own end, even someone who gives a lot to others receives the gratfication of making someone else happy... people here are accusing the US of doing it... yeah, and?
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Originally posted by VodkaFairy
The US is bombing those people. Look them in the eye and say you want to nuke them, Karam. I certainly can't.
THE USA DOES NOT WANT TO KILL THESE PEOPLE
I CANNOT stress that fact enough!
Some will be killed, but asking for no casualties in war is like asking an ice-cream man for a pancake.
We want to remove Saddam Hussein from order by death, because he has not only gone full-stop against the UN's laws against chemical weapons, but he has also threatened to use such weapons against the United States and any other countries that oppose him.
He is ANTI-AMERICAN and wants america
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WE ARE NOT TRYING TO KILL IRAQ.
We are trying to kill Saddam Hussein and his regime.
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stop quoting them images, tis hurting my computer so much lag
so much lag
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I'm not, I'm just supporting those that are.
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kaod
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stop quoting them images, tis hurting my computer
Well, I'm asking for some UN inspectors to go and evaluate your image loading capability because quite frankly I don't believe you.
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fine, just tell me when and where they are coming so i can hide my good shit someplace else so they can check the stuff that couldnt load pacman
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Well, I'm asking for some UN inspectors to go and evaluate your image loading capability because quite frankly I don't believe you.
Well now it's everyone against me
I fold
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:roflamo:
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I'd like to say thanks to you VF.
We may not agree with each other, however it's nice to see someone with the intelligence to help keep the debate (not argument) civilised.
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We may not agree with each other, however it's nice to see someone with the intelligence to help keep the debate (not argument) civilised.
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