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Can someone do that to a child? I find it simply incomrehensible how someone can get into the mentality that finds that acceptable. It sickens me beyond means to express.

I've got a daughter on the way and while I know she will piss me off mightily from time to time I can't imagine doing anything other that a quick slap on the arse, and then only when she really steps out of line.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Most likely: background violent, numbed to violence and the likes.

I don't have any "shock" in it being a baby, but to me it's as bad as beating anyone, grown, old, young, up and leaving them to die.

Then again, people die all the time, and to find the silver lining, with those parents, the kid probably is better off dead to save the pain and agony that would have been in the future.(Yes i KNOW it sounds harsh, but think about it)

 

[Zede]

im thinking one of the those cliche medieval torture chambers. Inflict serious pain on them daily, in as many ingenious ways as is possible. For the rest of their lives.

 

[megadave]

I can grasp the concept of there being individuals out there who are fucked up in the head enough to do this sort of thing, but when it comes to 2 people doing it together, it gets confusing :d

 

[Edmond]

I cant read or hear about thinkg like this, as i get too upset

 

[Olgaline]

you'd actually lay a hand on your daughter ?

 

[CorNokZ]

Nobody has ever been harmed by a slap on the bum

 

[Olgaline]

bloody depends, on strength and situation.

 

[pikeh]

bloody depends, on strength and situation.

A 'quick slap on the arse' hardly sounds brutal to me.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not being funny, and I'm not racist at all but -

It's a popular muslim name, I'd guess that; It was a poor family, and when Muslims get married, the parents of the bride has to pay for all of the marriage and give money to the other family, it happens alot, I'm afraid, but its the truth..

No-one does anything about it for that reason, they can turn around, and say; "Why are you being racist?"

I'll probably be given a ban for this post or something, but its the truth...

 

[Edmond]

I used to get a smack on the back of the legs as a kid, i'm sure we all did (deebs used to get some cracking cuffs round the back of his head by his mum) it was the norm, but what they did to that child is mental torture, and thay should be punished by the full extent of the law...and then some

 

[Olgaline]

still,
why would anyone, for any reason, intentionally hit a child ?
what ever the reason situation, There'll be plenty of ulternatives
that do not involve hitting a child.

there's no excuse.

 

[Olgaline]

from my perspective, and in my experience, people who turn to physical punishment do it out of a feeling powerless and in dispare, and thus choose the easy way out instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Olga, we're the "slapped" generation, hensh, no more slapped kids...and take a look out there.

Kids are basicall pampered and out of control.

I think a bit of bum slapping rulerfingersmashing and "why i oughta" should make a comeback before we raise a generation of vandals, scandals and all-round imbesils.

 

[Olgaline]

I seriously dout the lack of hitting is respocible for that..
there've always been wars always been vandels and scroundels
you cant beat out human nature, only at best pospone "submit" it for someone els to deal with.

if you want to blame anything blame the generation thats 35-45 atm
especially the Me myself and my family first! they more than any have tought the kids of today that "I comes before you"

 

[old.Tohtori]

I actually have to disagree more, the lack of punishment in schools, homes and in general public give the kids the impression they can go out and do what they want.

We learned at a young age that "do wrong, get "slapped" for it", and it worked fine.

These days teachers are pretty much powerless towards children and it shows.

 

[Olgaline]

do wrong get punished, works just as well,
and dosent need the inclusion of physical punishment.

 

[Olgaline]

If parents did thier jobs and tought thier children some bloody respect for grownups
in the first place, teachers wouldnt have that problem.
again the lack of violence is not the defining factor. lack of good/propper parenting is.
a new born is basicly a blank canves, what you do with it, is what defines that child.


fear altho beeing an effective tool, isnt nessersaily by any means a good tool, or a path wich should be seeked.

 

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Olgaline have you completely taken leave of your senses? How can you, in complete seriousness, say that there's no correlation between the lack of corporal punishment and the rise in teenage crime and violence?

When I was a kid and I really stepped out of line my dad would take the slipper to me, or clout me round the head. I love my dad more than any other member of my family and I'm no more a delinquent than the Queen.

I'm not going to smack my kids every single time they misbehave because there's no need but when they really step out of line I will. I won't do it hard enough to do any damage but it WILL hurt, and that's why I'll do it. My kids will learn the consequences of misbehaving, whether it's words, taking away their privileges or smakcing their arses.

You only have to look at things to today to see what's happening. Parents aren't allowed to smack their kids, teachers can do nothing to pupils even if the pupils hit THEM. The naughty step doesn't work and threatening to take away something the child likes isn't as effective if you use it constantly. Children and teenagers can get away with an incredible amount and that's because they know we can't do anything. Hell even sending them to Juvenile hall is like sending them to Butlins, it's a free holiday with 3 meals a day.

I am a firm believer in corporal punishment and most parents have the intelligence to see the difference between punishment and abuse. I suspect that there are no more or less cases of child abuse now than 20 years ago. People are simply looking for it more, being more vigilant and catching it.

 

[Olgaline]

I dont even know where to begin without insulting you or your intelligence.

your point of argument is flaud from the get go. how ignorrant can a person be that they'ed exclude all other social influence and factors to explain a childs behavior than
it must be the lack of coperal Punishment.!? REALLY!!? seriousely ? for your sake I really hope thats a joke.

you want personal experience ? ok here's one. I've never been beaten, not by any parrent adult or teacher, yet I've always respected tho's that hold seniority to me, I've never been a bratt to a teacher and try to be the best person I can be. my parents achived this through bloody parenting, "and I was no easy task! belive me.

and also often, "if you want to talk problems in schools ect" kids are met with a dispropotion. where they risk getting smacked at home, but know well and true that this will never be the case at scool, this imo is Bad, if the worst you've ever known is a raised voice, this is what you'll faer. as you dont know any different, now however if the worst you know is a beating....well then a raised voice isnt exactly all that bad is it ?

it's all about conditioning!
and corpral punishment is in my eyes a very unnessesary escalation. Corperal punishment is well an truelly alive outside of western society, and lot of good it dose them ?

Guess what it comes down to, is THIS!

I'd rather my Child trusted and respected me thus followed my instructions and rules than that child do the same out of fear.

 

[Olgaline]

so, if an employee really steps out of line, we should smack them up side the head ?
or hmm a thief stealing a purse, lets jump his ass.! administer a good beating on that
accountant or a doctor that mis diagnosed you, beat some bloody medical knowlage into his ass!

it's redundant, a joke at best, why should we treat them differently becuse they are kids that cannot defend them selvs ? also coperal punishment ends the very second the kid can whoop your sorry ass.
good values and respect however last a life time

 

[old.Tohtori]

Olga you seem to be putting people who smack their kids arse for doing something really wrong into the same bunch fo people who take a fist to a year olds face when they ask for candy.

This is not the case.

It's idyllic to say "slapping a kid is wrong", but it rarely works as well.

You may be one of the few who didn't get punished, and grew up a nice boy, but that doesn't mean the majority of modern kids run amock, while when we were young, this was not the case in such a extreme.

Sure, lots of factors oin juvenile decay, but not slapping them and teachers being powerless is still a major factor.

By the way, not to judge your parenting, but do you have a teenage kid? Because before that happens, you can't know which works better and in many cases, it's too late.

 

[Bugz]

But then again, there are lots of ways to punish children suitably without the use of violence.

 

[Olgaline]

but here's the point I'm trying to make Toht. "and no I'm not"

Bad and Negligent parenting is what creates brats, not the lack of coperal punishment.
would you smack an adult for stepping out of line ? if the answer to that is no, then you cannot advocate coperal punishment without "at least in my eyes" seem abit hypocritacal.

to alot of people tho unfortunatly, it's the easiest solution..thats not the same as the right one.

 

[Aoami]

I was never hit much as a child but the classic phrase 'You wait until your bloody dad gets home boy' was more than enough to keep me in line.

 

[Lakih]

I agree 100% with Olgaline, there's no excuse to hit a kid. Never.

 

[Bugz]

I was never hit much as a child but the classic phrase 'You wait until your bloody dad gets home boy' was more than enough to keep me in line.

amen to that brotha.

 

[Olgaline]

I was never hit much as a child but the classic phrase 'You wait until your bloody dad gets home boy' was more than enough to keep me in line.

amen to that brotha.

That works just as well without the fear of being smacked.

 

[Edmond]

I was never hit much as a child but the classic phrase 'You wait until your bloody dad gets home boy' was more than enough to keep me in line.

So your parents swore at you eh!! that explains your potty mouth :lol:

 

[Aoami]

So your parents swore at you eh!! that explains your potty mouth :lol:

haha, they had a glass of wine every now and again with dinner as well, that must explain why i drink!