Housing - Respecting guild/alliance slots

[ilum]

Originally posted by minstrel_kyra
Well so far, it is working out in our little neck of the woods. There is a small area with a few people "reserving" their guild's spots and everyone seems to be respecting this layout.

I'm sure there will be a few asses out there, but I for one would rather wait and spend a lot less and get a better house then only be able to afford a cottage with no amenities right now.

Originally posted by hrodelbert
I'm sorry but what gives TDS and PL the right to reserve such lovely spots in geldwhine, if anything is pathetic i think it's 24/7 plot campers who think they they have some ordained right to the spot, if someone with enough money comes along and buys it at a high rate , it's their choice and tbh have as much right to it as you , far from being pathetic imo.

Originally posted by minstrel_kyra
Wow, disagree with anyone and you are whining. I don't think I was but oh well. If you want them go ahead and spend the 95 or so plat, you are welcome to it.

We certainly don't feel its our right or anything like that to keep those spots.

Well if its not a problem dont call them asses?

They may have worked very hard because they wanted to be one of the first to pick the right lot for them. On the other hand, I really understand those who are waiting for lower prices, but if you do, you cant expect some guy who worked his butt off farming to give away his lot of choice and certainly cant expect him to accept being labelled an ass for not doing so.

 

[kreig]

Originally posted by Roalith
They're gonna be sharing a zone with Flesh, welcome to it imo

Doesnt mater any more, /ignore flesh the ignore updates wish all these troubles away.


The whole Foundations thing is almost total bs, the benifits are so marginal its hardly worth bothering. I mean say you want the works thats a price of :-


500gp + 1 +1 +1+1+1+100gp + 100gp+ 100gp+ 100gp+100gp + 3 + 1 + 500gp +1+ 500gp = 13p + Deed price

As far as value for money its only worth it for big guilds and tbh its not like they need it. As far as crafters go most nowdays are as bent as a £9 note, i laughed recently when i saw a well known ootkt selling a 99% chain crown for 750gp, went and made myself 1 for 450gp, things like that are so common its a wonder when some guilds can click there fingers and produce the capital. The whole inhouse guild merchant for cheaper materials is another excuse for the fat to get fatter.


Mythic would rather spend time devloping stuff for the customer so that we HAVE to farm more so we can get a few small perks. Face it Mythic is actually farming you IRL for subs.

And this whole lot reservation thing is lame, all these ppl saying stand around the stones so that no 1 can click on it... LOL

Its all just another extention of self/guild ego .... Look at me i have the biggest best superior located house in the whole of albion we are the best w00t. When really it makes no difference if u have a cottage or a mansion in sector 1 2 3 or 4.


Unless ofc u all want to stand around and RP, spaming emotes and holding recitations infront of 50 ppl. Joy

 

[minstrel_kyra]

Hro, I think you misunderstand me.

I never called anyone pathetic and I feel misrepresented by you saying so. I did say there "would be a few asses". I meant it when I said I wouldn't be bothered if someone took our spot where we want to live, but I am sure that there are others that would be really upset.

Take for example, all of guild X wants a village to themselves. Most everyone buys a lot but a few people who are holding out for the price to go down. Person Z who dislikes guild X or that person even deliberately moves into a spot that someone else wants badly. This is what I meant. If there are lots available then if someone wants that lot, they are welcome to it. A perfect example is The Grey Company. They obviously want a spot in Geldwine, as shown by their diligent presence at the lot. Who are we to tell them to leave? We don't think so highly of ourselves to presume we have such power and we welcome our new neighbors.

I have yet to see anyone be hostile to anyone else who has shown an interest in a lot, nor have I seen anyone literally standing on the post so it can't be clicked on.

No one has even put down a house yet and already such strife amongst us all.

I am sorry if you felt personally offended by my comments but trust me, I hold you in the highest regard, as does all of my guild and my comments were never geared towards you or your fine guild.

TDS simply wants to live near our alliance mates. We have a nice spot by the lake, as does the Templars, Order of the Unseen, and the other guilds of Unity. We have been working our tails off to be able to afford a nice house. I really fail to see why this is so bad.

 

[vesania]

As far as value for money its only worth it for big guilds and tbh its not like they need it. As far as crafters go most nowdays are as bent as a £9 note, i laughed recently when i saw a well known ootkt selling a 99% chain crown for 750gp, went and made myself 1 for 450gp, things like that are so common its a wonder when some guilds can click there fingers and produce the capital. The whole inhouse guild merchant for cheaper materials is another excuse for the fat to get fatter.

I don't know the circumstances of this individual case, but I can tell you that it is too much to assume that a crafter selling an expensive item is doing so because they are either bent or seeking to skim undeserved profits.

I lost platinum I couldn't afford yesterday after five solid hours of effort, because a masterpiece wouldn't drop. I could offer this MP long dirk for sale at 11 platinum and STILL make a loss. Yes that seems insanely expensive and someone else could surely sit and make one and get lucky with it dropping more cheaply, but that doesn't mean that I'm pricing unfairly if I ask the customer who ordered my 11 plat dirk to pay what his item cost. Sometimes that is the way the random generator goes - same with 99%s. You can easily have a stupid run of 10 attempts with no 99%. It sucks, but it's not the crafter's fault.

If you want 99% or MP, then you have to accept that the random generator is a huge pain and can sometimes drop you very unlucky.

In my experience, 99% of crafters on the whole of Prydwen/Albion are decent sorts who will go a mile for other people and make things as cheaply as they can reasonably manage, provided that they get a bit of courtesy and patience in return.

Crafters - underrated, in my opinion.

<salutes every Albion crafter, especially those in the Diogel community and Dimse, whose cookies save lives and sanity on a regular basis>

 

[oldnick]

Originally posted by kreig
The whole inhouse guild merchant for cheaper materials is another excuse for the fat to get fatter.

Are you getting confused with 25% discount in house merchants give ?

Materials are always same price , its only emblemeers, healers,enchanters etc that give discount

Nick

 

[Gizmoduck]

Originally posted by kreig
Doesnt mater any more, /ignore flesh the ignore updates wish all these troubles away.

Why do you want to ignore Flesh? he's such a nice person??

Cheers

 

[darzil]

Krieg,

Two little points.

One - Material Merchants in housing are a convenience only, they do not charge cheaper prices. Some other 'Merchants', such as the healers do charge cheaper, but not the material ones.

Two - To make a 99% Chain AF102 Crown for 450 gold (well, 455) means that you made it in 3 attempts. 6 is average, which is 675 gold. Assuming, of course, that the tailor made it for no markup, which isn't often the case (unless its a Guild tailor and a Guild customer). So if it's sold for 750 gold, that's 75 gold to be shared between two people (Tailor and Armourer), for making your armour (The time to make 6 leather caps and 6 chain crowns, say 15 minutes each, and the occasional run to get more crown patterns, say half hour every 25 odd makes). In addition, the crafter is taking the risk that it actually takes, say, 15 makes (as one I made recently did), and actually costs the crafter 1332 gold (again, assuming the Tailor didn't charge a markup, 10-15% is common).

Of course, maybe you think (like some customers I've wished well in finding another supplier), that crafters should be playing the game in order to make you stuff, and get no profit from it ?

If you want to order from me, I'd happily charge you a small % on top of the remake price. You'd have an even chance of paying for more than 6 makes that way, though. Sometimes you get lucky, though. (I've even bought from other crafters when the luck isn't running for me, and I've got to go offline and don't want to disappoint them)

Personally, I plan to get a cottage, and a consignment merchant, and not much else. One reason only, so that I can make stuff available to players when I'm not around. I hate (like yesterday), having to not help someone out with some crafting just because they want it immediately, and I have to go out IRL.

Darzil Siegecrafter
Order of the Knights Templar
Legendary Armourcrafter
(though not the cheapest in town, unless you're a Templar)

 

[old.linnet]

Pricing

Whilst there are plenty of reasons why a crafter might at least want to recoup her material costs on an item <gasp, what a thought!>, anyone who is in the market for buying 99% goods need only wait a week or so and all their pricing worries will ... disappear

 

[sru]

Originally posted by kreig
i laughed recently when i saw a well known ootkt selling a 99% chain crown for 750gp, went and made myself 1 for 450gp, things like that are so common its a wonder when some guilds can click there fingers and produce the capital.

Oh really? This was expensive eh?

Tell you what - can I have 50 99% chain crowns for 450g please. I will even pay 455. Excellent. When can you deliver? Oh, make that 100 crowns - I amsure my consignment merchant will do sterling trade out of it.

For your information, the standard crafter price for the 99% chain crown is 2.5x base cost = 772g.

So glad you really value the 100's of hours crafters work so you can have something for, probably, less than it cost.

I truly look forward to you offering all your 99% wares for 1.25x cost. Either that or you have a cheat for the RNG?

Bah . posts like that make me fume. Crafters get anough crap from customers who want things for free/base cost/immediately.

I have lost count the number of times I have been asked to drop training and run to Diogel to make something. The one time I actually did this, I did a MP piece in 5 tries, charged for the 5 tries saving the person over 1pp and got, wait for it, 0g tip.

And you wonder why there are so few crafters bothing these days

/end rant

 

[chretien]

The 'Well known OOTKT' selling a 99% chain crown for 750 gold was probably me as that is my standard price. I have a fixed price for all 99% and below armour and only use retry rate for masterpieces. As Darzil says, usually this means I make a small amount of profit, occasionally I get really lucky and make a lot of profit and occasionally I have a nightmare and end up spending a lot of my own cash on someone elses armour.
I really don't see why you feel the need to bring it up here unless you have some kind of axe to grind with the Templars (why else mention the guild?) in which case come out and say it rather than making nasty little sideways coments.

 

[sru]

Re: Pricing

Originally posted by old.linnet
Whilst there are plenty of reasons why a crafter might at least want to recoup her material costs on an item <gasp, what a thought!>, anyone who is in the market for buying 99% goods need only wait a week or so and all their pricing worries will ... disappear

People will still need to trudge round the consignment merchants until the search ability is coded/tested/broken/fixed/broken/recoded by GOA.

Until then, I suspect it will be normal for a crafter to send the customer to their merchant to fulfil standard orders rather than for customers to wander from village to village finding who has a consignment merchant available.

 

[old.linnet]

Re: Re: Pricing

Originally posted by sru
People will still need to trudge round the consignment merchants until the search ability is coded/tested/broken/fixed/broken/recoded by GOA.

Until then, I suspect it will be normal for a crafter to send the customer to their merchant to fulfil standard orders rather than for customers to wander from village to village finding who has a consignment merchant available.

This is actually one of the sane reasons why a crafter might want a cottage in the same village as a big guild house ... so that people who want to price check don't have far to go.

We'll see how it pans out. Vive la free market!!

 

[chretien]

When I've sold the stock in my vault I'm not going to bother crafting except for Guild orders and MP commissions. For too long now the market has been destroyed by people selling castoffs from skilling up or MP orders at practically cost price and this is just going to make the situation worse. I can't afford to sell the stuff for less than it costs me to make and I don't think people will pay realistic prices anymore.

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by chretien
When I've sold the stock in my vault I'm not going to bother crafting except for Guild orders and MP commissions. For too long now the market has been destroyed by people selling castoffs from skilling up or MP orders at practically cost price and this is just going to make the situation worse. I can't afford to sell the stuff for less than it costs me to make and I don't think people will pay realistic prices anymore.

Chretien I really appreciate you crafting and I think it's only fair you make some profit of it. I think crafters are cheap and very helpful in Albion, and for their own good, they could charge even more for all I care.

 

[Flesh]

Originally posted by Roalith
They're gonna be sharing a zone with Flesh, welcome to it imo

Actually..saw quite a nice spot in Nappa tbh.

 

[tallwiz]

Originally posted by tili
I seriously doubt 3 guild members standing on plot 1 will <reserve> it from anyone that has the money tbh.



Nick

so what peeps are saying is.... if there are a few peeps sat round an open plot, its theirs? i think its theirs when its bought tbh.
if i run thru the open market of plots with the plats, sorry peeps, if your sat on 1 and you aint bought it, better find another.
you may think this is ruthless, but, if you cant afford, or aint willing to purchase it... STOP BEING SELFISH.

end of my quote

 

[Flesh]

Originally posted by minstrel_kyra
We certainly don't feel its our right or anything like that to keep those spots. If you want them go ahead and spend the 95 or so plat, you are welcome to it. If anyone can afford that much, it would probably be TLW and Flesh.

Why the fuck do you have to bring me into a thread/arguement I wasn't even involved in?
Rather pathetic, and you're social life must be as lacking as your IQ if you're that bored.

 

[tallwiz]

Originally posted by kreig
And this whole lot reservation thing is lame, all these ppl saying stand around the stones so that no 1 can click on it... LOL

Its all just another extention of self/guild ego .... Look at me i have the biggest best superior located house in the whole of albion we are the best w00t. When really it makes no difference if u have a cottage or a mansion in sector 1 2 3 or 4.


Unless ofc u all want to stand around and RP, spaming emotes and holding recitations infront of 50 ppl. Joy

well said m8, thats what some guilds will actually do, naming none ofc.
to be frank, everyone thinks the first plot thru the portal from cam hills is gonna be the best, have you actually been and seen it.... its a crap place, i certainly wouldnt be taking guild screenies in the area
think i'll look for a nice, out of the way spot for HOC, has we are a close knit guild and dont need the capital gained from others, would sooner farm and lvl the lowbies at the same time.
and ye, it is lame to want first spot, but i suppose some ass will buy it thinking of superiority lol

 

[tallwiz]

Originally posted by Flesh
Why the fuck do you have to bring me into a thread/arguement I wasn't even involved in?
Rather pathetic, and you're social life must be as lacking as your IQ if you're that bored.

take it with a pinch of salt flesh m8,,,, its a game but some peeps need the <i am higher than thou> syndrome to live

anyway, off to lvl a few guildies and farm...

<---- doesnt camp house spot cause he aint lame

 

[old.Morchaoron]

tbh i have more respect for people getting off their lazy asses to go farm money then those sitting afk at a item thats being auctioned saying no one is allowed to buy it Oo

 

[minstrel_kyra]

Lighten up Flesh, all I said that if anyone had that kind of money, it would be you (and TLW).

You should be flattered we all think you are so rich.

And as I said before, we don't have someone camping the spot 24/7, haven't had in nearly 2 days. Someone logs in with their alt, checks the price, lets the guild know and logs out.

 

[mib666]

Originally posted by lemminkainen73
Greetings,
So yesterday Foundations finally went live. First thing was to check nice places for the guild/alliance houses. Lots people on the move, most respectful folk, some maybe little less so.

Also discussion inside alliances and among alliances and guilds about respecting "reserved" slots, well of course there are no game built laws in that one, only honour to respect guild reserved house locations.

Advantage in this, is shortly that we ALL keep the extra platinum in our pockets and in guilds funds for future use. Save the platinum for rams, as reserve for relic keep defences, keep door repairs, armours and weapons to make pryd albion realm stronger and keep our relics also in future.

Let the mids and hibs waste their platinum in lust for those "best" spots and purchase them in total chaos loosing their plat in doing so ! dont be scammed by few who might not respect reservations.

Message is short one: Let the house slots prices go down, respect guild/alliance house places and dont pay ridiculously high prices, what i ask as behalf of realm success is patience & respect.

<salute>

-Old Paladin-

This is a joke..... right?

 

[hrodelbert]

Not all TLW are rich fyi

it's funny , being a paladin you'd expect me to be good at farming , but as herbal says, i ain't velly good

 

[Flesh]

Farming is for silly people, there's a strong market in items atm fyi.

 

[Indiana Jones]

This thread was started to call upon everybody's "honour" so we would respect each others choices.

But appearantly a lot of people here reflect the state albion is in at the moment: every man for himself.

Camping a lot is stupid/boring ... not lame. Lame is using buffbots and so (but that has got nothing to do with this).
But if some ppl have nothing better to then to sit all day in one spot, let them be and do not judge them. Because (as our lord and saviour once said ): he who his without sins, let him throw the first stone.

<takes cover for stone shower>

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by Flesh
Farming is for silly people, there's a strong market in items atm fyi.

Imo its buyer's market out there atm - everybody's selling items to gather up some cash for housing. Also with ToA incoming, people dont want to invest big sums in items soon obsolete

 

[GReaper]

Originally posted by sru
For your information, the standard crafter price for the 99% chain crown is 2.5x base cost = 772g.

So glad you really value the 100's of hours crafters work so you can have something for, probably, less than it cost.

I truly look forward to you offering all your 99% wares for 1.25x cost. Either that or you have a cheat for the RNG?

Bah . posts like that make me fume. Crafters get anough crap from customers who want things for free/base cost/immediately.

I have lost count the number of times I have been asked to drop training and run to Diogel to make something. The one time I actually did this, I did a MP piece in 5 tries, charged for the 5 tries saving the person over 1pp and got, wait for it, 0g tip.

And you wonder why there are so few crafters bothing these days

/end rant

If you sell a masterpiece which took 5 attempts for the cost of 5 attempts then what do you expect?

If it takes 50 attempts to make a masterpiece, and you charge that person for 50 attempts, you should have on average 8 items of 99% quality. So if the person buying the masterpiece is paying for 50 attempts, everyone else buying 99's is just increasing your profits as long as you sell them above the merchant sellback cost.

Also, if you have to make a 99% quality item as you've got none in stock and you get a masterpiece then why sell it?

I've had fixed prices for my tailoring/weaponcrafting/fletching for quite a while, with reasonable prices for 99% quality (NOT 2.5x). 99% quality items are just junk for most people which only a few people want, so selling them at high prices just doesn't work.

 

[Coren]

Originally posted by Indiana Jones
This thread was started to call upon everybody's "honour" so we would respect each others choices.

Was wondering when someone would throw the honour-thingy into this thread.

If people want to be in villages with other alliance-members and/or friends and don't want to spend high prices for spots, then just wait untill the people with cash to get the spot they want and then move with all your alliance buddies to one of the more remote/unpopular villages which will probably still have space and buy the spots there? You're with your alliance, people who spent time farming cash get the best spots and everyone is happy? :E

 

[tallwiz]

just a quicky, most of the peeps bitching in this thread aint using their ingame names, ...... stand up and be recognised

 

[Laird MacGregor]

At the moment plot camping as an issue for anyone in DAoC is completely overstated.





I challenge all present to run around every single village and compare the average ratio of camped plots at any given time, to un-camped plots. Lets say for the sake of argument this has already been done [Ed - for prices of 80 to 90 plat]:

Ratio is 3:600, 0:600 at this time of the morning



Not much of a Zerg there eh? Now lets allow for one moment that human nature being what it is, some people do in fact like to camp a marker (lets face it, it's no different from camping a keep at stupid o'clock in the morning when nobodies going to turn up, and plenty do that )

We've certainly used it in the past as a method to:

A) Communicate to our guildsmen and focus their minds in the upcomming days
B) Communicate to our allies to focus their teamwork intentions
C) Allow a central point for resource collection


... So we've focused on housing for several months, now we wait for reasonable action. Who is being harmed or affected currently?

Nobody.


There's plenty of justification I could add to this list above, all perfectly reasonable, none of it alienating anyone person or organisation. There is quite simply enough room to accommodate everyone on Prydwen, and with the onset of the 4th housing zone I think it'll make everything complete (4th zone brings it upto 800 plots per realm, when was the last time /who all was anywhere near that?). So why waste energy on negatives, when so much positive can be achieved?

As the 1 plat per plot draws ever closer, I also challenge anyone who either nay says, or aye says in this thread to NOT camp a plot they desire at some point. You'll all do it to save that money you can ill afford in the end, so dinnea take the high ground when you'll be tramping the low ground like everyone else in a week or so's time .

Might as well accept it, some do have some additional focus (even optimistic focus) and maybe an objective or 2. For Albions sake it would prove a lot at the organisational level; Yes that 'thing' many all moan we have none off, but never accept it starts at the individual level of responsibility. If people DID just respect each other over the next coming weeks as Kyra’s tried to drive at here, there'd be a better place to play a game in.

There's certainly no preventing the reverse auction taking place, but there will be plenty of fuel to add to the doom mongers of Albion’s fire if you give it to them.

It's been discussed by GoA devs and E&E and everything’s going according to plan, as long as 'exploit' hack bots are not used to reserve plot (don't believe it myself, I can't see anyone coming up with a means to lock down a plot without paying for it), everyone’s free to choose where to sit/stand/set up tents whatever, and buy as they please.

As sure as I'm sure PL won't march into an area and demand a plot, from a fellow Albion alliance/guild/or individual that have designs for localisation, I'd like to trust that there is still a civil majority out there who would do the same. In much the same way that a majority still to this day request if they are welcome to share a camp in PvE (with one notable stupid exception of a camp in Barrows ).

After all, this isn't Excal, this isn't Hibguard, and this isn't US servers. Think On.

Let it be, it'll be over in a month, and wouldn't it be nice to surpise ourselves with some alliances and guild villages we can visit to draw up a bigger organisation?