Honk if Enchanter needs a nerf

[old.mattshanes]

Mustrum i don't care what people say THERE IS NO gimped class,just because there isnt as much of them people say they are gimped bah its bullshit.If your a good player you can play with any feel and happy.

It just depends what you like and what you up against.

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by mustrum


Smite clerics don't nuke for 500+ damage on level 50s with good resists, and will soon nuke for less than they do now.

There's no way i hit someone with good resists for 500+

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Mustrum i don't care what people say THERE IS NO gimped class,just because there isnt as much of them people say they are gimped bah its bullshit.If your a good player you can play with any feel and happy.

It just depends what you like and what you up against.

I think cave magic shamans used to be gimped.... and earth wiz are till next patch. Ok, to put it better.. some specs are gimped.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Teador


There's no way i hit someone with good resists for 500+

Thats funny... the screenies you posed showed you hitting with your baseline nuke for 500+.

http://members.home.nl/csd/daoc/nerfchanters1.JPG
You cast an Aurora Blast spell!
You hit for 522(+169*)!
You just killed lamagra!


*[OMG my nukes hit for like (-255)]

Might be better not to show off with screenies next time

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by mustrum


Thats funny... the screenies you posed showed you hitting with your baseline nuke for 500+.

http://members.home.nl/csd/daoc/nerfchanters1.JPG
You cast an Aurora Blast spell!
You hit for 522(+169*)!
You just killed lamagra!


*[OMG my nukes hit for like (-255)]

Might be better not to show off with screenies next time

Yes, and another nuke hits for 421, hence the damage variance.

And he doesn't seem to have good heat resist, as i only had (+80) on Bloodied today and didnt hit for more than 420

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Oh no Teador! Now your lowest damage (with variance) is almost as low as the other nukers in the game!!! Oh dear!!!

And before you start talking about heat resist before you debuff, all casters have the same problem, which means wizards nuke for 350(-200) or something ridiculous like that.

<HONK>

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey
Oh no Teador! Now your lowest damage (with variance) is almost as low as the other nukers in the game!!! Oh dear!!!

And before you start talking about heat resist before you debuff, all casters have the same problem, which means wizards nuke for 350(-200) or something ridiculous like that.

<HONK>

Horribly true.


Orignally posted by Teador
-There's no way i hit someone with good resists for 500+


-LOL

<HONK>

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

This is getting a bit silly.

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
This is getting a bit silly.

Gee, i was already starting to wonder when someone was gonna post that, i just had to be said

 

[j000 d000d]

Oh, and Mustrum/Gelid, you haven't played a lvl 50 enchanter, so you have no idea what my average damage is, it's not as good as you seem to think, so don't just say i do more damage than any other caster.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.Teador
Oh, and Mustrum/Gelid, you haven't played a lvl 50 enchanter, so you have no idea what my average damage is, it's not as good as you seem to think, so don't just say i do more damage than any other caster.

I have. And it is.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

This discussion (if there ever was one)
Has turned into a Yes they are, no they aren't, yes they are, no they are not discussion, dont you think its time you gave it a rest?
Doesnt look like you're going anywhere.

 

[Jenna.]

Lets brag on irc about how uber we are, and our ubernukes... then we go here and explain to everyone that enchanters sucks and need a boost.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Hmm, good point. But in RvR, I've watched tanks die to enchanters, then to elds & runies, and that made me think... hmm, thats weird, the pet class is outdamaging the damage class? Then we get the age old pbaoe spam, and I think... eh, thats weird, their pet class has amore powerful pbaoe than our damage class. How strange.

Nerf!!!

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by Jenna.
Lets brag on irc about how uber we are, and our ubernukes... then we go here and explain to everyone that enchanters sucks and need a boost.

Usp on irc - Ha, i'd like to see how you could beat me. You stand no chance against me. Oops just killed about 30 people <grins>.

Usp on forums - Ha, my class is even.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
This discussion (if there ever was one)
Has turned into a Yes they are, no they aren't, yes they are, no they are not discussion, dont you think its time you gave it a rest?
Doesnt look like you're going anywhere.

Looks to me like i'm constantly proving hibbies wrong


<HONK>

 

[old.Atrox]

just a tip for you ppl..
while at innerdoor, have 5 - 6 runies lined up, 1 spams lowlvlae, when he gets a hit he /y Gimp ON teh Door!!!11 and the other 6 runies starts to spam highlvlae.
that way they will only be able to PBAoE you at the door once every 30min, per PBAoE'r that is...

but I'll add an other HONK!! just cuz of USP's insanly resists

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Can't wait to see Mustrum's "Honk if Runemasters need a nerf" thread after the patch............

'They are a petclass and get the most powerful PBAoE!!' yada yada

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
just a tip for you ppl..
while at innerdoor, have 5 - 6 runies lined up, 1 spams lowlvlae, when he gets a hit he /y Gimp ON teh Door!!!11 and the other 6 runies starts to spam highlvlae.
that way they will only be able to PBAoE you at the door once every 30min, per PBAoE'r that is...

but I'll add an other HONK!! just cuz of USP's insanly resists

Anyone can get those resists.

Just spend 3 days camping spawns looking for OTD's and resist items, group with 2 druids and a warden, you will have capped resists easily

Oh, and I'm working on my resist RA's next

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Can't wait to see Mustrum's "Honk if Runemasters need a nerf" thread after the patch............

'They are a petclass and get the most powerful PBAoE!!' yada yada

Thats spiritmasters you gimp.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Can't wait to see Mustrum's "Honk if Runemasters need a nerf" thread after the patch............

'They are a petclass and get the most powerful PBAoE!!' yada yada

LOL, that's Spiritmasters.

Anyway, when SMs get the PBAoE they'll have that and nothing else. They won't be able to spec for the most powerful spell in one line and be able to out-do every other spec nuker in the game with a baseline nuke.

So no.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson


Thats spiritmasters you gimp.

Ah, my bad... Runemasters are overpowered, too (all casters are but especially Enchanters *nods eagerly*).
I remember that purple con Runemater killing me with one bolt once! Overpowered I say!!

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

<HONK>

 

[Happlo]

I'm bored at work and have just read through all of this post, and to tell you all the truth I think I'll go actively looking for my boss now and BEG her to give me some more work so I dont get drawn into reading more of this pointless thread!!!

People are saying that Teadors and Usp's reasons for enchanters not needing a nerf are unvalid, but I dont even think they need a reason cause enchanters DONT need a nerf. Hence no reason needed!!!

From what i can gather from the arguments that have been put forward for a nerf, it seems you think that ANYONE with alot of time available and an enchanter as their main is instantly Uber and can own in RvR...............Er??? Yeah right!!

There are alot of enchanters out there but you guys are constantly refering to just afew good players that are owning you cause they are simply playing better than you, or you are not playing to the weaknesses that their class has (cause every class can be defeated).

 

[old.Sko]

Neerf, nerf all chanters i say. And here's a good plan.
1) Give em 2.5 spec
3) Give em access to envenom line
4) Give em leather armor
5) Give em speccable pierce and slash weapons
6) Give em access to stealth spec
7) Take away pets
8) Take away spellcasting ability
9) Make em rise 2plat. Solo.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

As far as I see it, the people supporting enchanters lost when someone who actually played an enchanter admitted that they are allowed to be overpowered cos less people play hib ( think it was Teador? ).

Give the nuke/debuff to eldritches, and I think me ( and maybe some others ) will be mildly satisfied, since this would mean that at least the right class is overpowered ><

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey
Give the nuke/debuff to eldritches, and I think me ( and maybe some others ) will be mildly satisfied, since this would mean that at least the right class is overpowered ><

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

So does the menu say: "You can become a Mentalist (CRACK DEALER), Enchanter (PET CLASS) or a Eldritch (MAIN DAMAGE NUKER) ?

No, don't think so. Why would the Eldritch be the main nuker if the Enchanter does more damage? Or why isn't the Mentalist it? Mentalist has mezz, orange/red con pet, stun, spec nuke, spec AE nuke, AE DoT, DoT, HoT, PoT, and that isn't better?

Stop saying silly things. 1 Class will always be the best at 1 certain thing.

 

[Jenna.]

YOU LIKE DISCIPLINE? STOP WHINING!

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by gilthanis
I'm bored at work and have just read through all of this post, and to tell you all the truth I think I'll go actively looking for my boss now and BEG her to give me some more work so I dont get drawn into reading more of this pointless thread!!!

People are saying that Teadors and Usp's reasons for enchanters not needing a nerf are unvalid, but I dont even think they need a reason cause enchanters DONT need a nerf. Hence no reason needed!!!

From what i can gather from the arguments that have been put forward for a nerf, it seems you think that ANYONE with alot of time available and an enchanter as their main is instantly Uber and can own in RvR...............Er??? Yeah right!!

There are alot of enchanters out there but you guys are constantly refering to just afew good players that are owning you cause they are simply playing better than you, or you are not playing to the weaknesses that their class has (cause every class can be defeated).

is this 44 NS you main :/? You will find at level 50 a fully damage specced albion/mid caster does ~350 dmg on you. Without having stun. And they currently cast slower. And note pet also hits for ~150 a hit. Spec 50 in fire with a wiz and do half the dmg a 'chanter is doing who specced in moon - their pbaoe/utility spec.

Giving a class a debuff for their own nukes combined with a stun to pull it off easy is even worse than giving clerics insta mezz/basestun. And look what happened to clerics.

It wouldnt be so bad if the 'chanter didnt get a pet/speed enhance/pbaoe..... then it would just nuke much harder than other realm casters

Yes go and point out wizards brilliant aoe dd, and the bolts.

I know what i would prefer

No a single enchanter wont turn the tide of a zerg, except maybe sat by the lord but thats pbaoe for you. In a small skirmish battle 8v8 or so, enchanter can wipe out 3-4 of the enemy with ease, specially if one of his groupies has mezzed the enemy first (bards next patch + enchanters )
-Break mezz with stun, debuff, nuke nuke nuke dead. repeat.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Stop saying silly things. 1 Class will always be the best at 1 certain thing.

But, you see Teador, your class is THE best at nuking and pbaoe'ing. Does this mean wizards should do uber damage? Cos that is something we aren't doing at the moment.

And, to quote the manual that comes with the game:

The Eldritch wields theprimal force of nature to produce spells of great destructive power

That's yer damage dealer.

Coming from the Way of Magic, the Enchanter can create and control magical creatures to serve and fight for their realm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't what is happening at the moment ><. you are a pet class, not a heavy damage dealer!!!

And as far as your mentalist argument goes, the whole point in them is to have lots of utility, but perhaps combines with damage this makes them a little overpowered, it's not as earth-shattering as enchanters. I have yet to see a mentalist kill as quickly as an manachanter.