Honk if Enchanter needs a nerf

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Teador


Exactly

I got 50 at like 30 days played, total in the end was liek 50 days.

And it was my 4th char

Teador hit 50 well before most people did. Even when i hit 50 (ages after teador) there was many blues about in emain.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Gee... now it's slacking off Teador?

I have seen far worse people than him in-game... far, far worse.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Gee... now it's slacking off Teador?

I have seen far worse people than him in-game... far, far worse.

Slacking off......? Teador a good as player as any....

Just pointing out it takes no degree in rocket science to click on somone and hold a nuke button

Just want to bring this back onto subject.

-Honk-

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by mustrum




Just pointing out it takes no degree in rocket science to click on somone and hold a nuke button



-Honk-

Lets nerf all caster classes then!


And before some cry baby feels inclined to comment on that: sarcasm once again.

 

[old.Atrox]

ahh what the hell, I almost died to a enchanter today, so I'll give it another honk..


HONK!

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

I agree with Dook, nice person, nasty class.

I saw something funny today, and orange lurikeen enchanter, level 49/50 that had normal cloth, not epic must have had terrible lag, because he walked straight into Belcar, a cabalist. Of course, the poor thing must then have realised where he was, and he began running away, with me and Belcar administering a swift death ><

 

[j000 d000d]

Well playing a nuking classes isn't the hardest really hehe.

Maybe someone who just got to 50 for the first time and has not much experience in RvR might kill someone exactly the same way as i would, but there's still some difference with little tactical stuff.

I still think classes like Healer/Bard/Sorcerer are extremely good when they are played very well.

Nuking is merely pressing a button, mezzing is too, but in a totally different way

 

[VidX]

Ok, to kill this argument once and for all:

Look at the RP's for the highest person in each class on the server.

Compare Enchanters with: Eldritches, Wizards, and Runies, i.e.: the main caster classes.

Who is the lowest? Eh?

'nuff said.



Also, once again, classes mean nothing, it's the players who make them powerful.

Some players can naturally play any class, some only casters, some only tanks, some none at all.

Some players take a full 50 levels to learn to play their class, others can pick it up in 15 levels.

 

[old.mattshanes]

I think there is nothing wrong with enchanters heh you might aswell say nerf ice wizards,just a shame alb doesn't have many of them thats why enchanters look powerful.Their pbaoe is just the power as an ice wizard.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Rar, nerf ice wizard's pbaoe, cos that's all they got and its weaker than anyone else's

 

[old.mattshanes]

Nope all pbaoe are 300dd it depends on the enemies resists thats all.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Nope, you're wrong. The manachanter one does more damage that ice wizard one, and casts faster as far as I'm aware.

 

[j000 d000d]

You albs still have 2x as much people.

So make that 2 ice wizard still doing more damage than 1 manachanter.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

LOL, I thought you used to be an Alb; there are hardly any 40 + ice wizards!! As far as I know, there are 6 who are 45+

So no, make that 0.5 ice wizard, so half dmg ~~

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by vidx
Ok, to kill this argument once and for all:

Look at the RP's for the highest person in each class on the server.

Compare Enchanters with: Eldritches, Wizards, and Runies, i.e.: the main caster classes.

Who is the lowest? Eh?

'nuff said.



Also, once again, classes mean nothing, it's the players who make them powerful.

Some players can naturally play any class, some only casters, some only tanks, some none at all.

Some players take a full 50 levels to learn to play their class, others can pick it up in 15 levels.

RP points don't measure skill (i suck at rvr, but i have over 400k), or (in most cases) how good a class is. They measure how much you RvR. Else how would a rejuv cleric have high rp (not to say they are not skilled).

You cant really compare how good a class is next to another by pointing out the rp amounts.

Earlier i posted showing the total [realm] rp amounts against the total [realm] population. This could mean that albs rvr much much less. But as the amount of level 50 albs showed, they dont play less. This means that the most likely reason is that albs do worse in RVR, not play in RvR less. I think most people on alb go RvR just as much as people in the other realms. Anyone from other servers reading this post plz say so if the albs on your server dont go rvr much.

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Honk
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'nuff said.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by vidx
Ok, to kill this argument once and for all:

Look at the RP's for the highest person in each class on the server.

Compare Enchanters with: Eldritches, Wizards, and Runies, i.e.: the main caster classes.

Who is the lowest? Eh?

'nuff said.



Also, once again, classes mean nothing, it's the players who make them powerful.

Some players can naturally play any class, some only casters, some only tanks, some none at all.

Some players take a full 50 levels to learn to play their class, others can pick it up in 15 levels.

LOL @ your [flawed] attempt at justifying your blatantly overpowered class.

As Mustrum said (and as many people have said time and time again), RP = Player + Time spent RvR.

T'is funny though. You try to base your argument on how much RP each class has earnt, and then go on to say it's not the character but the player behind it. A little contradictory, trying hard to justify your class being overpowered before you get nerfed to hell and back eh?

Originally posted by vidx
'nuff said.

 

[j000 d000d]

If there's 10 runemasters in a keepraid and 1 enchanter, do you actually care that the enchanter is a bit stronger than 1 runie?

If we would have more Enchanters than any other class...... yes *PROBLEM ALERT*, but you shouldn't even be bothered with enchanters being a bit more powerful, because there's almost none. (on prydwen at least)

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.Teador
If there's 10 runemasters in a keepraid and 1 enchanter, do you actually care that the enchanter is a bit stronger than 1 runie?

What sort of argument is that?

Try having 10 Enchanters vs. 10 Runies...

 

[old.mattshanes]

As people say it depends on the player really and time spent.

 

[SilverHood]

nearsight the chanters and bolt them to death?

 

[walkerb]

Originally posted by mustrum


RP points don't measure skill (i suck at rvr, but i have over 400k), or (in most cases) how good a class is. They measure how much you RvR. Else how would a rejuv cleric have high rp (not to say they are not skilled).

You cant really compare how good a class is next to another by pointing out the rp amounts.

Earlier i posted showing the total [realm] rp amounts against the total [realm] population. This could mean that albs rvr much much less. But as the amount of level 50 albs showed, they dont play less. This means that the most likely reason is that albs do worse in RVR, not play in RvR less. I think most people on alb go RvR just as much as people in the other realms. Anyone from other servers reading this post plz say so if the albs on your server dont go rvr much.

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Honk
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'nuff said.

can be easy to say this if u die going from apk to amg most of the time, but if u got a good group you'll make more rps than any zerging or solo ppl, of course you have to play some but if your are effective u dont have to play that much. so its more like :
rp=who u rvr with/skill+time

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by SilverHood
nearsight the chanters and bolt them to death?

QC stunned before I can get one off. /wave to Runies.

As for Teador. Are you REALLY trying to argue that it's okay for Enchanters to be overpowered because there are more Runies on the server than Enchanters?! I can't even begin to describe how silly that is.

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


QC stunned before I can get one off. /wave to Runies.

As for Teador. Are you REALLY trying to argue that it's okay for Enchanters to be overpowered because there are more Runies on the server than Enchanters?! I can't even begin to describe how silly that is.

So it's bad for the realm that has half as much players to have a little boost?

Midgard:
Level 50's: 495
Realm Points: 110,493,688
Last week RP: 10,032,140

Hibernia:
Level 50's: 219
Realm Points: 49,267,190
Last week RP: 3,504,517

LOL, so you have more than 2x as much Level 50's, more than 2x as mcuh Realm Points and more than 2x as much Last week RP? And u still have a problem that chanter nukes for 100 dmg more?

Don't see any reason why you would whine about it.

Nerf hibs some more and you'll have 4x as much in all 3 things instead of 2x

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by old.Teador


So it's bad for the realm that has half as much players to have a little boost?

If that means superior classes then Yes.

that means the other realms have to zerg to be able to survive the hib swarm, and if you didnt know there is ppl who try to avoid the zerg.

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


QC stunned before I can get one off. /wave to Runies.

As for Teador. Are you REALLY trying to argue that it's okay for Enchanters to be overpowered because there are more Runies on the server than Enchanters?! I can't even begin to describe how silly that is.

no ofence but shouldnt you be able to squeez in a Nerasight b4 the chanter get's in range to QCstun ?

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.Atrox



no ofence but shouldnt you be able to squeez in a Nerasight b4 the chanter get's in range to QCstun ?

Keep defense and any normal RvR situation it's not like you meet Enchanters outside of Stun range anyway. So no.

Teador. You cannot justify a class being overpowered because the realm it belongs to is underpopulated. It would be like letting a football team have 16 players because the country they live in hasn't got many people that enjoy football.

Sorry mate but it just doesn't work like that.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Wasnt it the somewhile ago, when it was minstrels that was so greatly overpowered?
Then seehidden came, which really didnt effects minstrels in any larger way and boom, no more owerpowered minstrels.
Stun might be a little owerpowered atm, but atm our smite clerics have stun to.
Enchanters might be nerfed or they might not be, but there are ways to deal with them, you just have to figure out how.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson

Stun might be a little owerpowered atm, but atm our smite clerics have stun to.
Enchanters might be nerfed or they might not be, but there are ways to deal with them, you just have to figure out how.

Smite clerics don't nuke for 500+ damage on level 50s with good resists, and will soon nuke for less than they do now.

Yes, you can beat an enchanter if you purge. But the only way to beat a class should not be a RA on 30 min timer... Even if you do purge/use other RA etc... the enchanter could still win by using an active RA of his own

Not saying enchanter will always always win, but that its still more powerful than it should be. Debuff and baseline nukes of the same damage type - aargh. This combo is made more effective by the baseline stun... which means the enchanter only has to spec for the debuff to get the great combination of stun/debuff/nuke... and gets a nice PBaoe bundled in.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Teador

If we would have more Enchanters than any other class...... yes *PROBLEM ALERT*, but you shouldn't even be bothered with enchanters being a bit more powerful, because there's almost none. (on prydwen at least)

Yes on prydwen Hibs are underpopulated, certainly not on all servers. So your argument for the less populated realm having more powerful classes goes down the drain... along with the 'magic realm' argument, and the UncleSick-slag-a-lot argument.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by walkerb


can be easy to say this if u die going from apk to amg most of the time, but if u got a good group you'll make more rps than any zerging or solo ppl, of course you have to play some but if your are effective u dont have to play that much. so its more like :
rp=who u rvr with/skill+time

I don't die going from apk to amg all the time, just whenever theres some ewul stealther there ready to rip my nipples off. (ewul Blejsisarus.) And often join good alliance groups in RvR... and I agree that is much better RP than a zerg.
But assuming you are able to get into a relatively decent RvR group (most people above lvl 40 get into emain groups pretty easy.) Time is the main factor determining your RPs.

Jus making my point that you cant say "hey that bloke has more rp than me, nerf that uber class. / less rp than me - rubbish class"

Specially considering we all start with 0 RP. If you spend no time RvRing you will still have 0. If you spend all your time RvRing then you should be gaining rp... Even if you suck at rvr/ are a gimped class.