Honk if Enchanter needs a nerf

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes


Ok mr perfect you tell me what a class can do when its nearsighted?JACK SHIT,you tell me what a caster can do when its bolted out nearly one hit.Seems funny most of midgardians have started using runies.....

I agree. Runies are way too powerful atm.
Especially those who specc runecarving.
I'd say remove speed, pbt and ns. and increase castingtime on ae aswell. Oh, and nerf d0rf-casters also, cause they get like way too much hp compared to other casters.

I think hib-casters and especially enchanters are worthy baseline-stun and better dd than firewizzie. They are the magical realm right!?

I should be glad to have a uber 176 basedmg dd.

While we're on it, I think enchanters should have some form of ae-cc, like ae-mezz or ae-root. Or maybe ae-stun (11 sec) since they dont have any class who got it.

Honk!

 

[SilverHood]

all midgard classes start with 60 in piety, unless you put more in yourself

Thats maybe 75 if you neglect another stat..... considering what elves and avalonians start with, I think the HP tradeoff is fair

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by SilverHood
all midgard classes start with 60 in piety, unless you put more in yourself

Thats maybe 75 if you neglect another stat..... considering what elves and avalonians start with, I think the HP tradeoff is fair

Firstly this thread has NOTHING to do with health values on casters Jus honk an honk again.

Secondly dont forget Avalonians get 70 quickness which is a useless stat for casters, unless maybe they are combat specced ?

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by Jenna.


I agree. Runies are way too powerful atm.
Especially those who specc runecarving.
I'd say remove speed, pbt and ns. and increase castingtime on ae aswell. Oh, and nerf d0rf-casters also, cause they get like way too much hp compared to other casters.

I think hib-casters and especially enchanters are worthy baseline-stun and better dd than firewizzie. They are the magical realm right!?

I should be glad to have a uber 176 basedmg dd.

While we're on it, I think enchanters should have some form of ae-cc, like ae-mezz or ae-root. Or maybe ae-stun (11 sec) since they dont have any class who got it.

Honk!

You missed the insta cast (with 20second cast time) on the 11 sec AE stun

 

[j000 d000d]

Mid = Strongest. Period.

Look at Excalibur, they know how to play and own. Don't know why mids on prydwen don't. Maybe the mids here just suck.

And first RR10 is a mid too, says it all actually.

Oh, and let's see some top 5's:

Runemaster:

1 Venomski Elfeater 2,119,244 230,576 50 Nolby Pride Kobold
2 Kallistor 1,649,794 217,094 50 Nolby Pride Kobold
3 Bluwi Somberlain 1,580,503 89,727 50 Moonlapse Vertigo Kobold
4 Kazil BlueShoes 1,454,776 138,748 50 Nolby Pride Dwarf
5 Xuthos Deathwish 1,324,237 110,518 50 Nolby Pride Kobold

Wizard:

1 Zoyster 1,180,511 64,591 50 Guardians of Light Avalonian
2 Pramas 947,172 133,911 50 Guardians of Light Avalonian
3 Dhs 696,143 0 50 First Cohort Avalonian
4 Ignea 629,248 0 50 Black Falcons Avalonian
5 Wildfire Darkspirit 481,202 157,201 50 First Cohort Avalonian

Eldritch:

1 Crey 1,391,539 65,434 50 Llaw Arian Elf
2 Tyka 840,342 88,406 50 Vengeance Elf
3 Popov VoidCrafter 777,902 30,213 50 Clan Bearhawk Elf
4 Tylar AnkleBiter 609,399 26,728 50 Celtic Fist Lurikeen
5 Laenna Montego 542,824 46,821 50 LoS ELeGiDoS Elf


Wow, really, runemasters are oh so bad

Prydwen looks practically the same, but even worse for the wizards and eldritches.

And not even talked about Enchanters, 0 RR5 Enchanters on prydwen..... wow we're so good really.....

 

[umilard]

Mids on excal pwn?

Guess that's why they only have one relic.. (and hib have all powerrelics)

But seriously, enchanters ARE overpowered. And i'm not saying this becouse i'm pissed of dying or anything, i die much more often to other classes..

I've tried enchanter myself, played it on pvp for a while and yep, they are overpowered, so overpowered that it got boring after a while

Look at the facts.. here is a manaspecced chanter.. nuke for 300-500ish every 2 seconds (maybe more if using heat debuffs)... baseline 9 second stun... And a kickass pet... and pbaoe.

 

[Greyheed]

why nerf a class that can do fuck all unless your close to them


gg wp etc.... win.



kill the bastards from afar... honestly.

 

[j000 d000d]

I think in the end it all comes down to tactics. Best one still is the mid's AE Stun + AE nukes.

 

[umilard]

I agree with the part of healers + a bunch of runies/sm:s being very very scary..

Healer is one of the absolutely best classes in this game, but not one of the funniest to play

But what does that have to do with enchanters being overpowed or not?

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by old.Teador
Mid = Strongest. Period.

Look at Excalibur, they know how to play and own. Don't know why mids on prydwen don't. Maybe the mids here just suck.

And first RR10 is a mid too, says it all actually.

Oh, and let's see some top 5's:

Runemaster:

1 Venomski Elfeater 2,119,244 230,576 50 Nolby Pride Kobold
2 Kallistor 1,649,794 217,094 50 Nolby Pride Kobold
3 Bluwi Somberlain 1,580,503 89,727 50 Moonlapse Vertigo Kobold
4 Kazil BlueShoes 1,454,776 138,748 50 Nolby Pride Dwarf
5 Xuthos Deathwish 1,324,237 110,518 50 Nolby Pride Kobold

Wizard:

1 Zoyster 1,180,511 64,591 50 Guardians of Light Avalonian
2 Pramas 947,172 133,911 50 Guardians of Light Avalonian
3 Dhs 696,143 0 50 First Cohort Avalonian
4 Ignea 629,248 0 50 Black Falcons Avalonian
5 Wildfire Darkspirit 481,202 157,201 50 First Cohort Avalonian

Eldritch:

1 Crey 1,391,539 65,434 50 Llaw Arian Elf
2 Tyka 840,342 88,406 50 Vengeance Elf
3 Popov VoidCrafter 777,902 30,213 50 Clan Bearhawk Elf
4 Tylar AnkleBiter 609,399 26,728 50 Celtic Fist Lurikeen
5 Laenna Montego 542,824 46,821 50 LoS ELeGiDoS Elf


Wow, really, runemasters are oh so bad

Prydwen looks practically the same, but even worse for the wizards and eldritches.

And not even talked about Enchanters, 0 RR5 Enchanters on prydwen..... wow we're so good really.....

Instead of comparing RPs try comparing the spells between enchanters and other casters in general. You can also compare stun to any alb/mid baseline-spell

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by umilard
I agree with the part of healers + a bunch of runies/sm:s being very very scary..

Healer is one of the absolutely best classes in this game, but not one of the funniest to play

But what does that have to do with enchanters being overpowed or not?

I'm trying to point out that Healer looks good on paper, and IS good in the real action.

Enchanter looks good on paper, but it's not as great as you would expect really. At least that's what i think. Stun is bugged as hell, and if they purge my stun+debuff im screwed too. Baseline nukes are a real pain in the ass when it comes to power drain, so is stun. I'm forced to use lvl 36 stun (8 seconds) instead of lvl 46 stun (9 seconds) because the power-usage of the 9 seconds one is really uke: uke: uke:

And hell yeah.... hib casters are the only one without AE CC or root. If hibs don't have a bard with them they have practically NO CC. Stun doesnt really stop any enemies, not even 2 of them.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Enchanters basically do get a nerf next patch...
and Teador is right, stun saps enormous ammounts of powers. You can't chain stun (like healers used to...............)

And a single stun doesn't stop a zerg.

Freaking whiners....................

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by old.Teador
And hell yeah.... hib casters are the only one without AE CC or root.

Uhm...
Im pretty sure it is an AE Mezz it is my LightEld is casting

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr


Uhm...
Im pretty sure it is an AE Mezz it is my LightEld is casting

with AE mezz duration reduction next patch, that's not gonna do anything except for giving enemies mezz immunity.

 

[old.windforce]

-honk-

again
see sig

 

[Happlo]

Why nerf?

I dont get why a class in "the most powerful magic realm" <cough> should get a nerf for being a good class?

Wouldnt it be better to just raise their counterparts in the other 2 realms to a fair lvl based on realm balance?

This game can be balenced without anymore nerfs, which just end up ruining it for alot of players. Instead give some of the classes that are abit underpowered a boost.

E.g -

1. Warriors should get an ability to use every 30 mins.
2. Hunters should be able to charm more pet types.
3. Merc's and blademasters get a slight dmg or speed improvement.
4. Enchantments, void and mentalism spec lines need more work.

Dont know about you but i'm sick of everyone crying about nerfing classes in one of the other 2 realms that they dont play in!!!
Seem's pointless

 

[feldeshadowbane]

They nerf everything else why not nerf them aswell? Seems this game is all about nerfing things and make them everything you didn't "sign up for" when you started the char (except for very recent started ones of course).
I sure as hell didn't expect albion to be what it has become; the realm wich get the most nerfs because of its population compared to other realms (just read the 1.52 patch notes and see for yourself).

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by gilthanis
Why nerf?

I dont get why a class in "the most powerful magic realm" <cough> should get a nerf for being a good class?

Wouldnt it be better to just raise their counterparts in the other 2 realms to a fair lvl based on realm balance?

This game can be balenced without anymore nerfs, which just end up ruining it for alot of players. Instead give some of the classes that are abit underpowered a boost.

E.g -

1. Warriors should get an ability to use every 30 mins.
2. Hunters should be able to charm more pet types.
3. Merc's and blademasters get a slight dmg or speed improvement.
4. Enchantments, void and mentalism spec lines need more work.

Dont know about you but i'm sick of everyone crying about nerfing classes in one of the other 2 realms that they dont play in!!!
Seem's pointless

Well if you can convince them to make every other caster in the game this uber, fine by me but im sure it wont be long before there is nothing but casters left in this game if it did happen. And probably a hell of a lot of assasins too (all getting qc stunned soon as they attack). I would feel very, very sorry for anything that wasnt a caster if they all had same power as a moon spec chanter. Didn't you check the screenshots :/?

 

[glibbah]

sdfgdsfgsd

retarded. nerf

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Teador


Enchanter looks good on paper, but it's not as great as you would expect really. At least that's what i think. Stun is bugged as hell, and if they purge my stun+debuff im screwed too. Baseline nukes are a real pain in the ass when it comes to power drain, so is stun. I'm forced to use lvl 36 stun (8 seconds) instead of lvl 46 stun (9 seconds) because the power-usage of the 9 seconds one is really uke: uke: uke:

And hell yeah.... hib casters are the only one without AE CC or root. If hibs don't have a bard with them they have practically NO CC. Stun doesnt really stop any enemies, not even 2 of them.

Yes, evidently hib casters suck.
- Which is why you deleted a level 50 firewiz to play one.

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by old.Teador


with AE mezz duration reduction next patch, that's not gonna do anything except for giving enemies mezz immunity.

...which wasnt the point of my statement.
It was just a reply to inform you of some facts about your realm you obviously didnt know

And that nerf gonna affect ALL realms, so no need to whine about the LightElds being nerfed specifically

 

[old.Chavez]

Lol Teador !

I'm pretty sure light elds are listed as hibernias primary CC - but hey if you didnt know that ....

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by old.Chavez
Lol Teador !

I'm pretty sure light elds are listed as hibernias primary CC - but hey if you didnt know that ....

Actually, no, they aren't.

Bards are.

Secondary CC are Mentalists.

As for this thread...

LOL

Yes, Manachanters ARE powerful, yes. But the majority of the nerf calls come within 5 minutes of a stupid attack on a keep defended with Manachanters or Manaeldies.

In open RvR, an Manachanter is the same as, or worse off than, any other caster class.

Yes, we have baseline stun, wow! That means that we can stun one target and can maybe have them dead before the stun wears off. Or they can Purge and kill us unless we have MoC.

Pets do bugger all except interupt and chase stealthers in RvR. We have no ranged AoE, therefore pointless beyond a ranged DD in open RvR.

As for RM's... Well, I saw a Runie and a Healer take out one half of our Hurbury force yesterday before we managed to kill them. This in open RvR.

As for Enchanter baseline spells: if you cast them, you will know all about it. Power drain is amazingly high unless you have a Focus staff for that line for that level. Personally, I would give anything to be an Ice Wizzie. They have my main spell (pbaoe), a single bolt, and ranged AoE. Granted, casting time is slower for alot of the spells, but that's why Hib is defined as the Magical Realm.

Seriously, don't call for nerfs. Instead, look at your own realm, and see where the spells are that are present on the classes you are calling for nerfs for.

Albs call for nerfs because of the pbaoe: Ice Wizzies have it too. And don't gimme that lower damage crap. If you have 5 Ice Wizzies casting in the same area, it really won't make any difference whether they hit for 600 instead of the 700 that their Hib types hit for, they'll still be doing 3000 damage. So, go work on your energy resists, and Hibs will only be hitting for 600.

Stun? LOL both Midgard and Albion have insta stun, Hibs have NO insta CC.

Ok, so you are gonna turn round and say that we get it next patch? Ok, Mid gets pbaoe (SM, 6 points more base damage than the other 2 realms) and Minstrels get AoE mezz (castable from stealth, wtf?).

Guys, no more nerf calls, it just messes up the game when Mythic listen to the masses (Albion) and nerf something which is actually balanced if people were to actually plan their characters out.

 

[Jenna.]

When you've been hit by the nerfbat you will also whine that they should nerf the other classes

 

[old.Atrox]

<looks at sig>
...
does that mean I get 2 nerf <insert last owned by class here> threads ?

 

[The Real Redi]

"So, go work on your energy resists, and Hibs will only be hitting for 600."

ok, apart from items, how do you suggest we work on our resists? Even though tanks spend their entire time taking the same uber-spells, our resist doesnt grow any faster than our levels... i spend waaay too much time in the frontier for one of my early seasons, and i still have only the same resists as those who have never taken a scratch from an enemy...

yes i keep going on about this, but im a merc, and every now and then, the eternally nerfed want a little teeny weeny bit of give to even things out.

People whinge about IP, but that and purge are the closest things us 'pure' tanks have been blessed with to combat the usual 'stand-and-be-mezzed-and-watch-youself-die' syndrome, but still, its not fair, as the casters cant kill 40 albs in one fell swoop now...

What have the mercs and armsmen been given to combat the sudden popularity of PBAOE? Jesus, i get the feeling that even if you have free reign to pour hot fat into our eyes, youd get annoyed if we were allowed to blink whilst you did it...

fuckbeans... i like my merc... /flex

 

[old.Atrox]

btw with 41% energy res I was hit for 250 - 300, while running up to "safety"
dunno con on the pbaoe spammer thou..

 

[old.Atrox]

honk btw

 

[j000 d000d]

Yes, evidently hib casters suck.
- Which is why you deleted a level 50 firewiz to play one.

Enchanter was the class i chose after i changed, i didn't know what to play yet when i deleted the wizard, thought of a Bard first, but i liked nuking things so became a caster. Chose for Enchanter at lvl 5

Lol Teador !

I'm pretty sure light elds are listed as hibernias primary CC - but hey if you didnt know that ....

And the Bard with Insta-AE (Ranged) isn't primary CC?

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Enchanters with a PBAE would be fine - they'd be ice wizzies with faster cast time, but life sucks. However, they also get pets, speed, and a debuff for their own baseline DD; which results in them outdamaging specced nukers - good job there