hibs are weak
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As so many already said, there is no hib high RR (rr8+) guild groups runing, there is almost no high RR hibs playing longer
Just check the lwrp for rr8+ hibs on prydwen last months, you wont find more then 4-6 high RR players above 100k week.
Hibs aint weak, just under populated, cant compare 2-3fg randoms vs couple rr8-10 mid groups really
Just check the lwrp for rr8+ hibs on prydwen last months, you wont find more then 4-6 high RR players above 100k week.
Hibs aint weak, just under populated, cant compare 2-3fg randoms vs couple rr8-10 mid groups really
Edlina said:
You say "that's the way we started" and yet go on to describe a different experience to our current one. It's true we retake keeps when needed, or sometimes we take keeps in Odin's to let the Middies know we're there, but often we form up our groups to head straight to Emain. We also win more often that "running around a bit and getting wiped" suggests and it is very rare for us to give up after just one or two attempts even if we do wipe.
To people who are more used to winning than we are these differences might not seem significant, I suppose, but to me it's important. It's never been my intention to move from this way of play into playing as 1fg GGs. I'm hoping (rightly or wrongly) that we can move from being random groups who lose a lot to being random groups who win our fair share. This would possible be a more sustainable form of success that progressing into exclusive GGs where the loss of 1 or 2 key players can cripple us.
Sorry if I am talking out of my arse or being unrealistic. I suppose I'm not an "old Hib" in the way you mean since most of my years in Hibernia have seen comparatively little RvR. I fully realise that a lot of what I hope may turn out to be idealistic claptrap.
What they are saying is most of the old time Hibs that now make up a fair proportion of the '1FG players' used to run in multiple groups back when the game was young. Eventually those that enjoyed RvR grew tired of it and started to work towards 1FG as usually it's a lot easier to see the benefits of teamwork (which afaik is what keeps these players going).Boggy said:
What you do now is bears very little difference from what has been done by a generation before, only real changes are in the technology / mechanics of the game.
It's harder to coordinate multiple groups, but what with BGs and the new features of post-ToA combat (all the static battle ML abilities, etc) maybe it's worth making the attempt. It's been said more than once in this thread that few Hib high RR teams are playing, so clearly at some point it went from "keeping them interested" to not keeping them interested.
How many of our enemies are running as 1fg these days?
How many of our enemies are running as 1fg these days?
I'm no longer playing Euro DAoC and won't renew my accounts till NF. My main desire in the game is fuctioning as part of a self sufficient team although I have no issues with cooperating with other groups if the situation warented it.Boggy said:
I have no control over how 'enemy groups' play, nor do I want any. Simple fact is I stopped playing Euro DAoC because the level of enjoyment was seldom worth the effort it took to get and maintain a group running. Others have left for other reasons including RL or the simple fact they don't like the idea of NF on 'standard servers' so have tried to get ahead of the curve and re-rolled on PvP.
I don't think anybody is trying to slam you here, just that a lot of old timers with extremely embarrasing /played times have pretty much been involved in every style of RvR to the point where now they just focus on what gives them enjoyment.... and when that finally stops being fun, they quit and move on.
Boggy said:
Most of our enemies do, it's just when you get wiped by 1fg enemies it's easy to blame the enemy being more.
Last time I played a couple of nights ago, 3fg pre-made on pryd.net ran in emain several runs, I remember specifically them fighting a fg albs outside bolg asking for our help (a pm saying 2fg albs were killing them) as they got killed, saying it was 2fg albs, we arrived with about 5 hibs still alive prepared to eoy the hibs and kill the 2fg albs, but there was only 1fg albs there ><
Anyway... What Maleg said. It's not about co-ordinating several grps, and that being hard. So to speak us old players know that very well having run more in cg's than you have, but obviously also a lot more as 1fg, back then there were also people that seemed impossible to kill (EoO, warders and SotL) and the less impossible to kill guilds that ran several grps (LoE anyone?
etc etc) just like today, we were where you are now, a long time ago.nah I'm a real grouchy sob. Just overcompensating on forums so people might one day believe I'm human.Nedo said:As usual Maleg posts bests posts, you school teacher irl dude?
I did consider being a teacher for a while though, but after a work placement or two realised I hated kids and would be doing a 20 stretch for murder by now if I'd taken up the job.
Edlina said:Most of our enemies do, it's just when you get wiped by 1fg enemies it's easy to blame the enemy being more.
Last time I played a couple of nights ago, 3fg pre-made on pryd.net ran in emain several runs, I remember specifically them fighting a fg albs outside bolg asking for our help (a pm saying 2fg albs were killing them) as they got killed, saying it was 2fg albs, we arrived with about 5 hibs still alive prepared to eoy the hibs and kill the 2fg albs, but there was only 1fg albs there ><
Anyway... What Maleg said. It's not about co-ordinating several grps, and that being hard. So to speak us old players know that very well having run more in cg's than you have, but obviously also a lot more as 1fg, back then there were also people that seemed impossible to kill (EoO, warders and SotL) and the less impossible to kill guilds that ran several grps (LoE anyone?
I am not one to scream about hordes when we facing 1fg. The /send you got was not from me. Having said that, it seems to me people like PE are either running as 1fg+ or they are regularly getting 4-6 adds from stealth. Same result either way, we fight around 2fg.
I'm not saying 1fg couldn't or hasn't rolled our forces. It's happened loads of times. But more often we are beaten by nearer 2fg and soemtimes by much larger forces.
I'm happy to acknowlegde that I may not have a clear picture of how you used to run things. Back then, my RvR was pretty much limited to running a zerg of Skirmishers out once a week. But by the same token, you rarely group with us and never actually join our force, even when you join our BGs, so I suspect your picture of "where we're at" is built mainly from expectations/assumptions that what we do is what you did. There are probably a great many similarities, but there are also differences.
ToA has made running in multiple groups the norm in PvE, making both leaders and participants more familiar with coordinating multiple groups. It's given us BGs, which are a different flavour of organisation than CGs. It has also brought a lot of fixed-position abilities (fops, traps, spheres, nodes, warps, storms, etc) which surely impacts both roaming and camping groups.
In the sense that we are large low RR groups trying to get better at RvR, our experiences may broadly converge, but the learning curves are in different places and different gradients. On top of which our context is different because the game is older: players joining us are more experienced in that the mean level of experience for the player base is now higher (possibly the reason why we get few people giving up after the first wipe these days); high RR guilds and groups are suffering from people being on breaks, etc; and people (both us and enemy) are gearing up for for New Frontiers.
The world doesn't stand still. After 2+ years of playing experience and several expansions it would be amazing if our experience was the same as yours.
