hibs are weak

[Rudor Dwarf]

I know who robbe is ..

 

[Jupiter]

if you are lacking bards in hibs? make them, its not our fault you cba make them.

well, dunno if mid is hard now? or not? maybe you need kick those toa farmers whit shrooms to rvr whit other chars?
i guess its curse to realm have that kind classes who can do alone same job where mids need 3-5 peep?

wow u think up that solution all by yerself huh, and i suppose once the hit 50 they will become instant ml10, toa tweaked and rvr skilled,

how do our new rvr ppl learn to rvr properly when everytime they step outside of ligen they get gangraped, and the solution of running in larger groups still doesnt give the right experience of playing together properly, yeah go to HW or Odins sure np noobhead

 

[Bunnytwo]

Err, that's what most people have done.

Can't say as I blame em considering what seems to be the general attitude ia FH is any indication.

 

[Puppet]

if you are lacking bards in hibs? make them, its not our fault you cba make them.

well, dunno if mid is hard now? or not? maybe you need kick those toa farmers whit shrooms to rvr whit other chars?
i guess its curse to realm have that kind classes who can do alone same job where mids need 3-5 peep?

You got a solution too for being approx 18-19% of the server population ? No matter that a bard can have the same tools as 3-5 Mids if there is 3-5 times as many Mids......

And really really really: Sending in a RR8-RR10 group to beat up 2-3 fg Hibs RR1-RR4 who are taking a keep will surely motivate them to come back.

When 'we' where done with TOA in our guild we made RvR-group; together with our alliance.. Come in Emain, see 2~ fg random Mids; kill em a few times and guess what? They dont come back..

Thats not surprising; being farmed isnt much fun.. What those Mids where doing back then, is now what Hibs are doing..

And Tuppe arent you an Ex-Hib on Excalibur? And telling Hibs their classes are easy-mode?

oki mate

 

[haarewin]

if you are lacking bards in hibs? make them, its not our fault you cba make them.

making a bunch of rr1 bards that dont know how to play the class in rvr properly is not a solution, smartass.
bard is hard to get good at, noone is instantly uber at barding. however, healers dont have to do much other than spread/amnesia spam and pop instas if there is any inc. bards cant do that every fight.

 

[Tareregion]

but bards have insta mezz!!!!!!!!!!111111

 

[Ormorof]

wow u think up that solution all by yerself huh, and i suppose once the hit 50 they will become instant ml10, toa tweaked and rvr skilled,

how do our new rvr ppl learn to rvr properly when everytime they step outside of ligen they get gangraped, and the solution of running in larger groups still doesnt give the right experience of playing together properly, yeah go to HW or Odins sure np noobhead

dont see why you cant go HW or odins, been plenty of action in odins lately

and if hibs actually went to HW im sure mids/albs wouldnt mind joining in

 

[Mojo]

if you are lacking bards in hibs? make them, its not our fault you cba make them.

well, dunno if mid is hard now? or not? maybe you need kick those toa farmers whit shrooms to rvr whit other chars?
i guess its curse to realm have that kind classes who can do alone same job where mids need 3-5 peep?

Would have been easier pre-ToA

I have a RR6 bard, no SC (due to a loan the didn't get returned) and no ToA

pre toa i cud have prolly played bard anyway, and re-sorted SC kit, but now it won't happen so another useless bard.

And with a bard you do need ToA.

so u don't mean make bard, you mean make bard, ToA, SC, well mmm NO for most people!!

 

[Sycho]

i guess its curse to realm have that kind classes who can do alone same job where mids need 3-5 peep?

???

I am baffled and confused by that comment.

If you mean animists, hibs so rarely use them in emain....yes it is hard for them too to rvr, population really does help a lot in this game.Also when they have it hard beating rr8-rr10 fg mids who are near each other often you can't blame the hibs for not rvring, there's hardly any hib rvr guilds lately just like alb.Oh and give albs/hibs group clerity thanks xD

 

[`mongoose]

Lo all

Disappointed to see the old easymodegard thrown back at mid. Having played all three realms I think each excels in different things.

I was out in emain last night and saw a fair few fg's 1.5fgs of action. We bumped into some seriously hard hibbies a couple of times - You see those ickle crocs with lurikeen over the tops of their heads and you just know its gonna hurt.

We bumped into a very nice Sorc group - assisting sorcs made mincemeat of me and considering I am det 3 good resists and have around 2400hp that's no mean feat...

2 weeks ago Hibs did exactly what mid did last night in Odins. About 4fg of them just took every keep and there was little we could do to stop them. There seemed to be on a bit of a roll and they just crushed our attempts to defend because we moved in fg's or 2 fgs....

I don't think hib are weak, I think if they had equal population to other realms they would be rocking out in RvR. Hibs biggest handicap has always been population based rather than class based.

I just want to see more exciting fights in rvr and less qq on fh - well one out of two aint bad I guess

'Squish

p.s. /salute to the folks who died to us and whalloped me last night

 

[jochen]

WTT complete guildgroup RR6-9 Mid/pryd -> Hib/pryd
Leave message here or send PM.

 

[Escape]

btw anyone who says QQ noob can go fuck themselves with a rubber chicken

QQ noob

Now give me a rubber chicken :x


I don't see much life on Prydwen by the end of the year. WoW + NF could kill Hibernia, and Alb Vs Mid is no fun. Midgard has always had the most active RvR groups and even with lower population, Hib has more RvR guilds than Alb. I'm not going to get into the debate of alb having the hardest time to make rvr groups etc... but the issue here is midgard's rvr groups who can't ran without holding hands in emain. It's hard enough for a new rvr group to compete against a RR9+ mid group, without having Midgroup#2 and Midgroup#3 homing in on you like vultures.

People are making an effort to run efficient rvr groups, which are generally low-rr and cannot compete against high-rr group + adds. So these groups disband and there's no rvr.

There are persistant players who will see progress, but not everyone is dedicated enough to put most of their living life into the game.

WoW is looking good atm, faster levelling and less time consuming. The emphasis seems to be on quick acton which I would welcome after the 2yr grind of daoc

 

[Jupiter]

dont see why you cant go HW or odins, been plenty of action in odins lately

and if hibs actually went to HW im sure mids/albs wouldnt mind joining in

always do a couple of runs there every nite, but what i'm talking about is rr1 to rr4 hibs who are just being farmed atm, fair play to their resilience cause the keep trying

 

[Maleg]

if you are lacking bards in hibs? make them, its not our fault you cba make them.

well, dunno if mid is hard now? or not? maybe you need kick those toa farmers whit shrooms to rvr whit other chars?

Lack of bards isn't the real issue, only a symptom of a bigger problem that is population. Prydwen is a low population server that much is obvious and Hibernia is a low population realm on a low population server. RvR on Prydwen is very FG orientated and generally a few GG's (can be in any of the realms) dominate RvR. Pickup (or random) groups stand very little chance vs good GG's and usually there isn't a Zerg about to give these pickup groups protection in numbers.

So, RvR is very orientated around FG battles, as always a number of factors contribute to the success of any team, including compisition, experience, equipment, realm rank and the proximity of allys. Hibernia managed to hold it's own due to a fairly higher percentage of guild groups out and about, but it's only takes a few people to quit playing to cause any group a problem. Have this happen in 3 or 4 Guilds and the Realm RvR population suffers significantly.

Some people have left cause the didn't like ToA, some have left cause they're bored with current status of server and some will leave cause they don't like the idea of NF (although I do expect a small comeback for NF of those that have left already).

In short Hibernia as a Realm is pretty OK, not the strongest in this patch, but not the weakest either. Population is a serious issue to the point where it's dropped below a threshold that is now affecting moral. No easy answer I'm afraid unless the server / realm has a large intake of new people and even then the timesink means it will be months before they are competitive.

 

[Jupiter]

stuff

well put, bit more diplomatic than me but nm

 

[Jenkz]

more decorating uo houses less fh spam :<

 

[Edlina]

Lack of bards isn't the real issue, only a symptom of a bigger problem that is population. Prydwen is a low population server that much is obvious and Hibernia is a low population realm on a low population server. RvR on Prydwen is very FG orientated and generally a few GG's (can be in any of the realms) dominate RvR. Pickup (or random) groups stand very little chance vs good GG's and usually there isn't a Zerg about to give these pickup groups protection in numbers.

So, RvR is very orientated around FG battles, as always a number of factors contribute to the success of any team, including compisition, experience, equipment, realm rank and the proximity of allys. Hibernia managed to hold it's own due to a fairly higher percentage of guild groups out and about, but it's only takes a few people to quit playing to cause any group a problem. Have this happen in 3 or 4 Guilds and the Realm RvR population suffers significantly.

Exactly, and most people (the ones with a bit of brain from mids ggs too) know this - known as the NP effect - and it's even more obvioius on Prydwen than it is on Excal, but there's really nothing you can do about it. ><

All it takes is 1 competent hib GG out running all (most) evenings to bring hibs back in RvR - same with albs - question, however, is - will such a group start playing, evolve, or something, or will rvr be as it is currently?

NF will change that though.

 

[HappyG]

more decorating uo houses less fh spam :<

Ye, and give us a chance to invade enemy housing zone :touch:

 

[*b*]

NF will change that though.

it may but, it will be the lower population that will take the brunt of it i hope we will fine this to be wrong and that thing will balance out abit.

i've been in groups where 3 - 4 fg of hibs have wiped by 1fg .. or have run into Pduck and co. i know these are the cream of the crop of the other realms but it dose tend to take the fun out of it when all you see is 30 - 40 kill spams from these groups in 5 - 10 mins.

i've been in realy Fun battles with mids, the battle where mealstorm made there lastest film. i messed up my PA on the camara man <grins> and when Misplaced rage took Fensakir faste where it work out about 3 FG of hib defending vs 3 maybe 4 FG's of mids it was allmost like somthing out of braveheart, and i came away happy not because we farmed for an hour or three but the scale of the battle and seeing two equal forces fighting.

i don't offent RVR, and when i do .. and even if i get my face trappled in the dirt by a group or 5 Fgs i just pick my self up and try later. i try to have fun and at the end of the day thats what it's trying to do.

 

[Boggy]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. There are plenty of Hibs out RvRing. We have a pretty high proportion of low RR people forming up and trotting out happily.

It's worth noting that although we're the ones dying, we're not the ones asking the GGs to stop farming us. Most of us don't mind losing to people who have such a huge advantage. We dust ourselves off and go looking for a more manageable fight. Occassionally it seems we're outmatched completely and we give up, but I would guess most people have had nights like that. Weighed against this are the few times we beat a wellknown GG or even give them a good fight - this makes us feel really great.

It's true that in Hib we currently don't see our own GGs as often as we see the enemy ones. I suppose that's natural, since the enemy are seeking us out and the Hib GGs are not.

It's also true that a lot of the time we are outmatched it's more to do with force composition than RR or competence. Hib lacks all naturalists. Most people who come here (particularly ex-mids and ex-albs) want to play chanters or eldies.

However, despite all of that there are a reasonable proportion of our very low population who regularly form BGs and go looking for a fight. I would hazard a claim that the recent activity in Odin's owes itself in part to our efforts. When many were bitching about "Why's it always in Emain" we were out trying to provoke the Mids to a fight, and fortunately there were some Mids who were up for a rumble.

I believe our dependency on GGs in Hib is a myth. We'd be stronger if everyone coordinated, but that's true of all realms. Even when no GGs are out we win a few and doing it in a random BG means that (slowly, very slowly) the RvR competence of a large number of Hibs is increasing. Being up against the best of the other realms or superior numbers is not all bad. It means we have to learn how to play if we're not going to lose every fight. We're still learning, but I think we've improved quite a bit in the last months.

 

[Tuorin]

I believe our dependency on GGs in Hib is a myth. We'd be stronger if everyone coordinated, but that's true of all realms. Even when no GGs are out we win a few and doing it in a random BG means that (slowly, very slowly) the RvR competence of a large number of Hibs is increasing. Being up against the best of the other realms or superior numbers is not all bad. It means we have to learn how to play if we're not going to lose every fight. We're still learning, but I think we've improved quite a bit in the last months.

You make it sound like this is something new?

 

[Lejemorder]

atm i think albs are the weakest realm (have it hardest with forming grps).

i often run in random guild grps (2 druids, 1 warden, 1 bard, rest is random) and we often roll the albs we meet (unless PE's best grp) and do very well against the randoms mid grp!!

 

[robbe]

more decorating uo houses less fh spam :<

not me spaming i only say 3 words or something look at all nubs writing 20 lines in my pointless topic :>

 

[*b*]

atm i think albs are the weakest realm (have it hardest with forming grps).

aye

 

[remi]

his are weak

 

[Aldrick]

atm i think albs are the weakest realm (have it hardest with forming grps).

i often run in random guild grps (2 druids, 1 warden, 1 bard, rest is random) and we often roll the albs we meet (unless PE's best grp) and do very well against the randoms mid grp!!

Albs dont have any relics tho atm which is a huge disadvantage, oki, melee relics dont do much if u have a castergroup but atleast the enemy meleers dont get the bonus. (or the infs )

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

hib realm may be weakest, but their foundation looks coolest

and tbh, couldn't care less about them being weakest, or strongest or whatever.

 

[Platina]

i C 24 rvr guilds evry night in emain and its all MIds ZZZ stop whining maby 1 rvr guild running 1 group each night sometimes 2 but not wery often these days.


Ps.Matt cmon wyou want group celerety now aswell ? you never give up do you ? soon you prolly want them to move shammy/healer to alb to couse albs allways have it so much harder right ?:>

 

[Boggy]

You make it sound like this is something new?

Just responding to all the people saying Hibs aren't playing and that the only way Hibs can play is in 1fg GGs. We are forming up random 2-3fg BGs fairly frequently. We're not owning anyone, but we don't always lose.

 

[Edlina]

Just responding to all the people saying Hibs aren't playing and that the only way Hibs can play is in 1fg GGs. We are forming up random 2-3fg BGs fairly frequently. We're not owning anyone, but we don't always lose.

That's the way (us) old hibs started rvr'ing in the first place though - which is most likely what tuorin is refering to - the time when few were 50, emain bg's started by retaking 2-3 keeps before getting to emain and running around a bit then getting wiped, and maybe if lucky going back once more.

and *b* ye, I know how it is very well, and I've also killed 2-3-4 whatever fg of "randoms" from alb and mid realms at once, probably making them feel just what you felt when you got killed by PE or Mael or whoever, it's just, atm there's no hib ggs running.

And ye, NF will change the dependancy on the NP effect, but no that won't make it better for hibs, it will however most likely make it better for albs (than currently), and if no mid ggs were running it'd make it better for mids.