Hib tanks whining

[Kicks]

Originally posted by Arnor
umm, you could like put the focus shield in light specc or ench?


wake up and sniff the maple nut crunch etc

Light spec is uber as it is, and putting it in Enchantments would mean Chanter could solo multi purple mobs - not overpowered at all is it :roll:

Removing aggro buildup from focus shield is a good idea though, wouldn't affect the solo ability, and completely nerf focus pulls

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Kicks
Light spec is uber as it is, and putting it in Enchantments would mean Chanter could solo multi purple mobs - not overpowered at all is it :roll:

Removing aggro buildup from focus shield is a good idea though, wouldn't affect the solo ability, and completely nerf focus pulls

Light spec is uber as it is,

Light spec is uber as it is,

Light spec is uber as it is,

Light spec is uber as it is,

putting it into enchantments would mean FUCK all since who gives a shit if he can solo some purps? he'll still suck ass in rvr which is what matters here, noone cares if a single necro can powerlvl a char from 5-40 in 23hrs. Thats about the same as a good focus pl group i reckon, and its solo, 1 char. (the char being pl'ed was a enh cleric, so with bb from start it's prolly faster.)

 

[Solarius]

Originally posted by Kicks
Light spec is uber as it is, and putting it in Enchantments would mean Chanter could solo multi purple mobs - not overpowered at all is it :roll:

Ok, when did a spec DD and attackspeed debuffs become uber? Maybe with the debuff in MANA, but as it stands, Light is hardly anything spectacular. And, fyi, even with FS in Enchantments a solo chanter could not solo multiple purple mobs. See, the pet still takes damage, and when it dies, the chanter follows very shortly after.

Aside from Theurgists, enchanters suffer with the poorest alternative speclines and the most poorly thought out overpowered specline in the game (here's where theurgs loose out- none of their speclines are particularly overpowered!), but to suggest that the class should be completly distroyed, just because of your msiconcieved perceptions, is pathetic!

There's an interesting thread (with the odd rant like your post) on the general pages URL: http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70711

Things do need to be done with the current speclines, but 'constructive' comments like this hardly help!

Edit: Changed 'previous poster' to 'your', since Arnor beat me to 'submit post'

 

[old.Xanthian]

Dont nerf it !
I want 8 lvl 50's and dont want the hastle of going from 18-25 in sprags den and 25-40 in CM.. ITS HORRID! And Fins?! say no more.

 

[Event]

Ok heres the deal folks

Peeps with more than 2 50s often dont want to lvl the old fashioned way - nuff said

However it is damaging the tank population we all know it - peeps not learning their chars or able to have fun in pve etc etc.

I was at fins today and a lvl50 was focus pulling because there were no mages on the list but there were loads of tanks on the list - This is total madness and when i said so I was rebuked by the lvl50 and others.

Come on - no one can say this is right and good for the realm - fins is bad enough without this bullsh*t!

For some, rvr is all that counts but please remember that many still play for the fun of pve as this is a major component of the game.

It is obvious the focus shield belongs in enchantments line as it is in keeping with the other spells there. I say put it back in enchantments and peeps can go for a mana/enchantment split if they are into pve (or an enchant and mana chanter can team up for xp sessions). Peeps who want chanter rvr more can go full mana with another utility spell added to the mana line to make it attractive like the eld mana spec..

Think about it with your consciences

2c worth =)

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
What are the chanters going to do in RvR when there are no tanks left to protect their cloth wearing little arses, their prized pets wont bother

yeh coz we're REALLY lacking tanks in rvr nowadays hey

and actually.. that ally will probably provide more protection with it's healing to chanters than tanks currently do (since 95% cba to defend casters)

 

[Ravenbourne]

Originally posted by Amadon
and actually.. that ally will probably provide more protection with it's healing to chanters than tanks currently do (since 95% cba to defend casters)

no 99% dont know how to as they are PL'ed
True we need more mages but is just sending a pet into a load of mobs then getting a druid to heal really teaching them their spec?

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by uncle_sal
Was just disgussing with one chanter about the fins focuspulling... without mentioning any names, but they were making something like 15 mills per mob on lvl 47 after camp bonus was gone... meanwhile we were chainpulling Glimmer stuff for 3-8 x 35 mills on lvl 46... ok... maybe not chainpull of 8 mobs, but 3-4 was easily chainpulled... no deaths... can always change camp when bonus runs out... i was just wondering whats the point with these fins?

yeah, the exp per mob truely sucks at fins. but the exp ain't as bad as 15m on average. last night average might have been somewhere between 22-26m. not a highaverage I agree, but still made like 1.5-2 dots per hour.

the real thing is, getting a finsgroup doesn't take much effort.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
no 99% dont know how to as they are PL'ed

most tanks aren't of the pl'd variety
PvE does not teach tanks to protect casters/support in RvR.
Taunt does nothing more than add a style bonus to the damage you deal in RvR. All that PvE teaches tanks is to use taunt, protect and intercept, and guard the other tanks who are holding aggro. Many tanks refuse to use intercept in RvR because they're selfish twats, protect doesn't help jack in RvR and heaven forbid you find a tank willing to use his shield and guard someone in RvR, rather than use a 2H weapon for high damage. There are exceptions to the above, and it's awesome grouping with them, but focus pulling has NOTHING to do with clueless tanks in RvR.

True we need more mages but is just sending a pet into a load of mobs then getting a druid to heal really teaching them their spec?

It teaches them no less than taunting a couple of mobs over and over and over and over and over again.
In fact I prefer playing my tank in focus pull groups because it gives me a chance to try my positionals, and get a feel for the angles at which I can pull them off, whereas in a normal pb group you don't have much chance for positionals coz you're too busy.

If RvR consisted solely of hitting the taunt button then you might have a point.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Event
However it is damaging the tank population we all know it - peeps not learning their chars or able to have fun in pve etc etc.

that's bullshit
the tank population is fine and still exceeds the mage population in RvR
unfortunately RvR doesn't consist of just hitting the taunt button on different targets.

I was at fins today and a lvl50 was focus pulling because there were no mages on the list but there were loads of tanks on the list - This is total madness and when i said so I was rebuked by the lvl50 and others.

make an xp group, the standard fins group sucks regardless of how you pull

Come on - no one can say this is right and good for the realm - fins is bad enough without this bullsh*t!

it's a matter of it being shit or shit.. not much difference imo
as for being good for the realm, focus pulling helps naturalists level more than any other class, and if you think we have an overflow of naturalists in Hibernia, I think you're playing on a different server to me.

For some, rvr is all that counts but please remember that many still play for the fun of pve as this is a major component of the game.

if you enjoy PvE then why the hell are you going to fins and not hunting in TS or any of the more interesting xp spots out there?

It is obvious the focus shield belongs in enchantments line as it is in keeping with the other spells there. I say put it back in enchantments and peeps can go for a mana/enchantment split if they are into pve (or an enchant and mana chanter can team up for xp sessions). Peeps who want chanter rvr more can go full mana with another utility spell added to the mana line to make it attractive like the eld mana spec..

if you think focus pulling is bad with the focus shield in mana line, you have no clue how bad it will be with it in enchantment line
in 1.62, ench line gets a pet heal proc and the buffs are similar to a druid's buffs, so basically instead of eliminating the problem, you'll end up with plvl bots that now don't even need a druid to plvl

the crux of the problem is that con buffs on pets have such an enormous impact, if Mythic were to fix that then pets would be much less effective tanks

 

[Marwolaeth]

All this whining about PL'd characters not knowing how to use their characters when it comes to later on in RvR?
Erm when the hell does PvE translate into what you need to do in RvR anyway? I don't see many tanks spamming taunt styles in RvR 'cause guess what? Player controlled characters don't give a flying fk about agro. Rangers? Well sorry but how much of a rocket scientist do you need to be to understand that in RvR you shoot arrows at somone until they stop moving then either move onto the next one or run away and stealth....Druids? Well your healing the pets so not much difference moving onto healing other people for a change.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning (or however it's spelled) focus puling + power levelling as such. Just questioning the validity of the claim that being PL'd means you'll be crap at RvR. IMO the only place you can learn RvR is in RvR....even the battlegrounds don't really teach you whats needed in the big wide world of the frontier.

Groups have gone from pull, mezz, kill one at a time - to pull, grab agro, spam pbaoe - and now it seems focus pulling is the new black in hibernia...oh well, personally I'd rather have the fun of a "proper" group anyway. Grab a group, go to one of the many places that are a hell of alot better than Fins anyway and quit moaning.*


*Disclaimer - The above is the opinion of someone who has had a ranger now for over 2 years and yet still is not lvl 50 ....reason being I have always had difficulty getting into groups and find that soloing is abit dull so I moved away from the levelling track and found better things to do with my time such as having fun on DAoC with my guild instead of constantly bitching and moaning about lack of groups that require a ranger in their template.



*Edit:- Hmm sudden thought. If tanks have been able to get mythic to piss about with the enchanter class just so tanks are a requirement in groups again, I wonder if I can talk Mythic into making it so only rangers can pull mobs so that they become a requirement in groups too [/SARCASM]

 

[Noche]

Just to point out, rofl @ tanks whining, do we rogues need to remember ya how hard was our lvling? Can still remember those first 50 NSs, who have to make their own grp (still about the same afaik) and all.