heal proc styles

[Aiteal]

How cool is this?
Over 4400 damage I did to him and he still won with 60% hits
http://excalmovies.com/friar.txt

I wish I had heal proc styles


and that's the end of my QQ post
thanks for reading

 

[Calmin]

How cool is this?
Over 4400 damage I did to him and he still won with 60% hits
http://excalmovies.com/friar.txt

I wish I had heal proc styles


and that's the end of my QQ post
thanks for reading

Please god let this be the first, Friars are Overpowered post!!!

We've waited in agony for so long for this moment, let it be now!

 

[Kinetix]

How cool is this?
Over 4400 damage I did to him and he still won with 60% hits
http://excalmovies.com/friar.txt

I wish I had heal proc styles


and that's the end of my QQ post
thanks for reading

Right...and a shield speced class with heal overtime and insta DDs arnt? nerf Valks, oh yes and BDs also, lame classes

 

[Calmin]

Right...and a shield speced class with heal overtime and insta DDs arnt? nerf Valks, oh yes and BDs also, lame classes

Nerf anyone who can block 99% of a friar's melee swings even with a fast stick!

low weaponskill + two handed was a great idea for a class!

 

[>.< Pooned]

Nerf anyone who can block 99% of a friar's melee swings even with a fast stick!

low weaponskill + two handed was a great idea for a class!

it seems that not all classes can solo so good .......

most recent try to solo.... solo druids lol wtf u on about that? im talking to all of u that have a nature speced druid why u give free rps? xd , some classes (healers bards(main mezzers)) cant solo its a fact.
I didnt express a qq just a question.

 

[Gratscensi]

a proper convoker na/nurt druid is probably the best 1vs1 class there is

 

[Calmin]

a proper convoker na/nurt druid is probably the best 1vs1 class there is

One of the best agree

 

[Cromcruaich]

a proper convoker na/nurt druid is probably the best 1vs1 class there is

At least ive got an option if the 8v8 doesnt pick up.

 

[Calmin]

At least ive got an option if the 8v8 doesnt pick up.

Just remember you'll have to kill them and not just aoe root them if you go solo Crom mate

 

[Jor]

Right...and a shield speced class with heal overtime and insta DDs arnt? nerf Valks, oh yes and BDs also, lame classes

Oh please.... don't start that Valky thingie again. I was hoping that silly "OP/nerv" crying had come to an end at least. Play a Valky in big boys RvR and see for yourself how OPed other classes are.

Since you seem to play Alb, here is an example from my PoV:

[22:36:44] You target [Alzheimers]
[22:36:44] You examine Alzheimers.  She is a member of an enemy realm!
[22:36:44] You resist the effect!
[22:36:44] Alzheimers is too far away to attack!
[22:36:45] Alzheimers casts a spell!
[22:36:45] Your magic buffer absorbs 40 damage!
[22:36:45] Alzheimers hits you for 411 damage.
[22:36:45] You cast a Odin's Ram Spell!
[22:36:45] You hit Alzheimers for 90 (-30) damage!
[22:36:45]  You auto-stick Inconnu.
[22:36:46] Sibiria hits you for 580 damage.
[22:36:46] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:47] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:47] You resist the effect!
[22:36:47] The Brittle Guard steps in front of you and takes the blow!
[22:36:47] You perform your Polar Rift perfectly. (+159)
[22:36:47] You attack Alzheimers with your dagger but hit the Brittle Guard for 234 (-42) damage!
[22:36:47] The Brittle Guard dies!
[22:36:47] This monster is worth no experience.
[22:36:47] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:48] Your magic buffer absorbs 40 damage!
[22:36:48] Sibiria hits you for 624 damage.
[22:36:48] You are no longer preparing to use your Polar Rift style!
[22:36:49] Sibiria hits you for 480 damage.
[22:36:49] Jorykia was just killed in Hadrian's Wall by Sibiria!

44-49... that's 5 seconds. I even resisted 2 spells. After 1s I was close enough to stick Alzheimerz - so you see that wasn't on full casting range. Seeing this casting speed both of these two casters would have been able to kill me easily - can we agree on that? 2095 damage in 5 seconds. When I cast HoT, the first heal tick starts after 2 seconds. Next tick after 4 seconds. Well - suppose I started the HoT as soon as I started running towards the mage... I would have gotten 2 heal ticks from it. Pathetic. I could have thrown in a insta heal (getting me like 290ish hp back, recast after 15 secs).

If you couldn't win your last fight against a defensively specced Valky... well then the HoT was for sure helping that - but the main reason was you did your damage too slow to her or couldn't get past her defense. That's nothing you can blame the Valky for, right?

As for the uber DD's I have with 44 ow:

[22:36:45] You hit Alzheimers for 90 (-30) damage!

PHEAR MEEE!! :touch:

I know this is FH and thus it might be useless to post this - but maybe a little reminder: there *are* classes that can't solo a specific other class/player at all. Just avoid them. If you get jumped by them... well - they are lucky and you unlucky. Even if you play an offensive class it doesn't mean you can pawn everybody easily and win 100% of the time - you will do better against some and have a hard fight or loose against others.

To get back to the topic - don't you think I am nearly about eating my keyboard when my hits are being evaded/blocked by a Healer/Hybrid (Friar, Warden)? And this char heals himself just by hitting me?

It's the same for these two - get past the defense and outdamage them - and you'll win. Just to tell the difference
- Warden can get Shield and parry and BT and endu cost reduction and self haste and base buffs and specc resists to some degree depending on specc
- Friar can get parry and abs buff and base buffs and self haste shout and self heal procc and endu reduction and endu regen shout and specc resists and insta heal/hot/dmg procc weapon styles to a certain degree depending on specc PLUS evade5 for free(!)
- Valkyrie can get shield and parry and DD shouts/Root/shear, abs buff (will be overwritten by artis btw), offensive procc (will be overwritten by artis fyi), and insta heal/HoT and sword styles with dmg/pow drain depending on specc

--> where exactly is the OPed part for the Valkyrie?

It's up to the player how he/she speccs ofc - but I can't see (judging only from these 3 classes) that Valkyries need a huge nerf.

But enough of that and back on topic. (Sorry, but it get's on my nerves at times)

Can some Friar please say what the heal proccs really gives back on health? As I said the insta heal with 22 mending gives 290ish for me every 15 secs and drains power quite fast. Don't have exact numbers on HoT here - but if some1 want's to do some tests - say a word and we meet somewhere or maybe I can persue some1 for a duel and log numbers... but at the end I'd say it will come out like this: outdamaging the Valky will be easy. Outliving her needs some patience/tools - here's her strength.

What I know is that Vamps, Wardens, Friars are all hard to fight for me... still have to check back on them now with better armor (template done) and arti's ready but I don't expect me to chain them like there was no tomorrow tbh.

So - givf numbers please from a Friars PoV so we can see what these proccs really do - without that it's hard to argue.

/bow

 

[Jor]

a proper convoker na/nurt druid is probably the best 1vs1 class there is

I second that. Druid can kite very well with the pet's stunning capabilities (and yes - I played Druid, mixed specc with somewhat lowish nurt so I know that PoV), has some defense from self buffs, can actually get melee hits (plus damage add) in and with DoT/root and heal/insta heal some nice tools under his/her belt. With good buffs and nice armor, some artis and ML + RA's a Druid can be a tough fight!

 

[Eleasias]

valkyrie is sickly overpowered and just cause you cant use your insta interrupts vs casters doesnt make valkyries bad, charge+insta interrupts is rly balanced m8!

 

[Calmin]

I've never hit a shield spec class so wouldnt be able to tell you heal proc value!

Blockie Blockie!

Anyways as you see from Original poster friar heal procs are incredibly good against some classes...and pretty much just something that makes us die slower against others...i.e. makes no real difference.

same old rock paper scissors story really that most classes face 1v1.

 

[Jor]

same old rock paper scissors story really that most classes face 1v1.

Oh... rock-paper-scissor story... well ok - one can't win every fight against every class. Would be boring in the long run for all, right?

Still interested in numbers... any1 else?

 

[psyco]

Since you seem to play Alb, here is an example from my PoV:

[22:36:44] You target [Alzheimers]
[22:36:44] You examine Alzheimers.  She is a member of an enemy realm!
[22:36:44] You resist the effect!
[22:36:44] Alzheimers is too far away to attack!
[22:36:45] Alzheimers casts a spell!
[22:36:45] Your magic buffer absorbs 40 damage!
[22:36:45] Alzheimers hits you for 411 damage.
[22:36:45] You cast a Odin's Ram Spell!
[22:36:45] You hit Alzheimers for 90 (-30) damage!
[22:36:45]  You auto-stick Inconnu.
[22:36:46] Sibiria hits you for 580 damage.
[22:36:46] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:47] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:47] You resist the effect!
[22:36:47] The Brittle Guard steps in front of you and takes the blow!
[22:36:47] You perform your Polar Rift perfectly. (+159)
[22:36:47] You attack Alzheimers with your dagger but hit the Brittle Guard for 234 (-42) damage!
[22:36:47] The Brittle Guard dies!
[22:36:47] This monster is worth no experience.
[22:36:47] You prepare to perform a Polar Rift!
[22:36:48] Your magic buffer absorbs 40 damage!
[22:36:48] Sibiria hits you for 624 damage.
[22:36:48] You are no longer preparing to use your Polar Rift style!
[22:36:49] Sibiria hits you for 480 damage.
[22:36:49] Jorykia was just killed in Hadrian's Wall by Sibiria!

44-49... that's 5 seconds. I even resisted 2 spells. After 1s I was close enough to stick Alzheimerz - so you see that wasn't on full casting range. Seeing this casting speed both of these two casters would have been able to kill me easily - can we agree on that? 2095 damage in 5 seconds. When I cast HoT, the first heal tick starts after 2 seconds. Next tick after 4 seconds. Well - suppose I started the HoT as soon as I started running towards the mage... I would have gotten 2 heal ticks from it. Pathetic. I could have thrown in a insta heal (getting me like 290ish hp back, recast after 15 secs).

what class was it? tbh, that isn't very op...

 

[Raimo]

Right...and a shield speced class with heal overtime and insta DDs arnt? nerf Valks, oh yes and BDs also, lame classes

Well i've seen a movie where a valk and friar were fighting,It lasted for 7,5mins and in the end friar won with 100%.

 

[Jor]

what class was it? tbh, that isn't very op...

Alzheimers = 8L7 Sorc
Sibiria = 7L2 Cabba
Jorykia = 3L0 Valky

What's the one you are asking for and feel it isn't op??

And just to make clear why I provided that example - I feel that lot's of people these days say: oh noo! He/she can kill me - that's op! At the moment there is lot's of whine about Valkyries but I seem to be blind because I can't seem to find my I-WIN button on my keyboard where lot's of people keep telling me it should be there when I play my Valkyrie. So I am in "huh?" mode to say so... do I miss something here?

In my example I wanted to show that using this "oh no - it killed me" PoV lot's of other players are just OP from a Valkyries PoV. Casters are meant to deal massive damage as long as I can't interrupt them or resist. And I can't counter that amount of damage - not with insta heals, not with HoT. So I am easily outdamaged as a Valkyrie by a caster. Again - I can't see why it makes me overpowered when I win a fight now and then having solid defense and some self heals, the more as there there are lot's of people out there that just blast me away in some seconds.

/shrug

 

[Maeloch]

Well i've seen a movie where a valk and friar were fighting,It lasted for 7,5mins and in the end friar won with 100%.

If the valk had traitors it would prolly go on forever

 

[Calmin]

You know mate...

mostly when people talk about 1v1 they mean melee....saying your valk aint OP cause he died to a caster doesnt mean much...

Most melee classes get screwed by the MoC masters of doom.

Dark Age of Cast Alot and all that.

If you run around solo in rvr and think...which melee classes do i stand absolutely no chance beating and come up with atleast 2 then you know you aint OP.

On valk i would doubt thats all that likely....i guess wardens can out clicky you guys. Friars....you definately have the upper hand.

 

[Jor]

nm - I got a nice explanation for fg vs. fg that I'll try but it makes sense to me...

The Valky is my first melee/hybrid to RvR with... sorry if I sound noobish here... I am one when it comes to this stuff. *blush*

@Calmin
Will try that on melee classes... hopefully I can meet some while I run around visible before I get killed on range

For now I make a rough guess: dual wielders including assasins and Rangers as well as Wardens, Vamps are from my current experience very bad for me. Won't say I can't win - but in most cases they'll spank me.

Well - let's wait and see.

Thanks for the kind replies here and trying to help me understanding things.

/bow

 

[Guindor]

a proper convoker na/nurt druid is probably the best 1vs1 class there is

Yes .. hide for 15mins get all instas up/uses/ml9 pet etc etc etc go make 1500rps and hide again for 15mins..... YAY i am a soloer!!!

 

[QuickStix]

the differece between Friars and other Valk is Buffbots!! get a fully bufffed sc'd toa'd Valk and he should pwn a friar. Bufbots offer VERY little for a friar. only ST/CON (and maybe dex if friar specs low enhance to go 50 staff)

MOST chars (nearly all) that a FULLY buffed and play to a decent standard will kill a friar nearly everytime.

yes we hit hard (if melee spec).. but our end usage (even with endu reduction) is v high and we normally run out of end v quick! hence wafting unstyled at you.

im 50 staff spec.. and my 50style tends to heal for 130-150'ish (depending on how much healing % gear i wear. i guess i could boost that if i went higher rejuve and higher %healing.. but that requires losing stuff elsewhere.

put a buffed shield class in front of a friar and a friar will normally die everytime.

casters... with there insane cast speed and dmge.. again friar will die most the time unless they dump ra's. (low hp . low ws)

wardens... lol friar vs rwarden is a joke they get shield and pbt.. we lucky to hit em. let alone beat em

valks tbh not met many valks 1v1,, actually i think nursemaid is the only one and i think its 2-1 to me there.. but i fought valks on classic also .. prior to the upgrades tbh friars pwnd em.. but once they got the tools they a much tougher fight and beat me a lot more than i beat them.

assasins.. if purge is down and assasin lands pa.. im normally dead (or v low hp) by time stun wears of.. if they miss pa i have a chance.. but i have to hit em which aint to easy with a slow staff.

bm/zerk etc.. good fights but if zerk vendo im dead.. bms are fun fights tho

champ .. champ will pwn a friar everytime.. if he doesnt they he is a gimp... or was low rr v high rr and friar ra dumped on him.

archers... ok granted if we get in melee range we may have a chance.but most of em are high pd which negates a lot of our dmge.. so that is normally 50/50 who wins .. if i get jump then i tend to win.

skalds.... friars do well v skalds in my experience nd proly one of the easier toons to fight against.. id say 70/30 in friars favour if not higher.

vamp.. another class a friar does resonably well against .. especially if vamp is a noob and doesnt end drain us.

vw .. tough fights but fun ones also.. id say 60/40 to vw thee.. altho ive yet to meet a solo vw since they got style changes.

other friars may differ the above are just my opinion from classes ive fought.

hoping to sort bran new template soon with more toys i can use v certain class (zo bracer pets vs wardens for example) so possibly some of the above will change.. need stuff sell on my cm before i will comment again aint been abck on cluster long. but ive played friar since start so i guess i know the class pretty well.

p.s any1 that thinks a friar is OP'D 1V1 needs his fucking head testing! we used to be awesome and feared 1v1. not so much these days. i bet some classes even think "woohooo free rps"

 

[Raimo]

If the valk had traitors it would prolly go on forever

He had ,but didnt help him much

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

What other class won't die very easy against two casters is they get the jump?

Well i've seen a movie where a valk and friar were fighting,It lasted for 7,5mins and in the end friar won with 100%.

Seen a warden (Ethilds) vs mincer (Matriarch) fight last over 15~ mins once ^^

 

[Calmin]

I read somewhere that friars might be getting some love soon anyways....

usual stuffs been mentioned, snare style, higher weaponskill, insta heals, (Summon Donkey ofc!)....if they gave us something that let us atleast hit the slam tastic soloers out there i'd really love to play solo friar again...i guess its still fun fighting stealthers where we have a better than average chance of winning....ohh and 2 hander heros / warriors are the best fights...huge damage and always exciting!

 

[Raimo]

Well all i wanted to say is that its quite OPd for friars.
They can get Heal Defencive proc from clerics and the same time they have theyre offensive heal proc.

U hit,u get healed for 100+ hp
U get hit,u get healed for 100+hp
just funny that thing its like a friar uses 3 IPs in a fight
And im happy they dont get SoM

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

They get a defensive heal proc themselves Raimo, and it's a higher proc rate than clerics iirc, sure the cleric one isn't a 25% chance to proc ^^

 

[Tuthmes]

HoT on any melee class is just stupid. I just need to get that ~6% duration in my new template and my vamp gets another 375 heal tic. Thats 3 x 375 = 1025hp heal for 1 pop of my HoT (think 49sm gave me 425hp a tic).
Guess the same goes for valks, though with that little more defense.

 

[Ahtlehson]

Alzheimers = 8L7 Sorc
Sibiria = 7L2 Cabba
Jorykia = 3L0 Valky

What's the one you are asking for and feel it isn't op??

And just to make clear why I provided that example - I feel that lot's of people these days say: oh noo! He/she can kill me - that's op! At the moment there is lot's of whine about Valkyries but I seem to be blind because I can't seem to find my I-WIN button on my keyboard where lot's of people keep telling me it should be there when I play my Valkyrie. So I am in "huh?" mode to say so... do I miss something here?

In my example I wanted to show that using this "oh no - it killed me" PoV lot's of other players are just OP from a Valkyries PoV. Casters are meant to deal massive damage as long as I can't interrupt them or resist. And I can't counter that amount of damage - not with insta heals, not with HoT. So I am easily outdamaged as a Valkyrie by a caster. Again - I can't see why it makes me overpowered when I win a fight now and then having solid defense and some self heals, the more as there there are lot's of people out there that just blast me away in some seconds.

/shrug

That's too true!

 

[Calmin]

They get a defensive heal proc themselves Raimo, and it's a higher proc rate than clerics iirc, sure the cleric one isn't a 25% chance to proc ^^

You're correct friars one procs more for slightly less heals than clerics....but its definately better than clerics in the long run