Guild Divine at fins

[Shrye]

What exactly would the point be to keep a list for them? AFAIK they're only exping together, when one logs, they all log and the list would get wiped anyway.

At least they didn't keep up any illusion that they'd add people to a list, and never come back to them - unlike what many other listkeepers does.

 

[finbahr]

Originally posted by Darkdancer.
They got there 1st the spots theres, there is no written law saying there has to be a list leave em alone and xp somewhere else.

also says you are not allowed to camp spots also if you read CoC.This is pure BS Fins is a well known spot where the list is KING imo.

if this goes on abolish the list and invite anyone you want into the group then who is going to get flammed.
unwritten law is we are a realm trying to help each other not your guild not your mates all of hibernia this could go a lot deeper ruining the game even more guilds not helping other guilds in rvr only rezzing your own alliances becomming totally against each other

if i was there with a few peeps i would have pulled fins from a different spot no one mob is owned by a camping group then

as long as you are not xp stealing nothing they can do

GREEDY GUILD SELFISH GUILD

 

[old.Tzeentch]

when i went with vengeance asking for help to take <random keep> to open DF, only 8 or so random people came

when DF opened there was over 100 people inside

must all be greedy guilds?

 

[Auriel]

An occasional shake-up of the norm can be a good thing. If people are pushed away from fins for a bit and look around Cothrom Gorge and World's End in SI, then maybe something new will happen.

Not everyone has SI sure, but the EZ will be easier in 1.62 and fins will get back to the list method in time.

I've nearly got my second 50 in the bag... L48, stable guild group every night in the EZ. First 50 was doing the fins in CF - but who wants to do that twice anyway?

 

[finbahr]

Re: Right....

Originally posted by Sleip


We are there to get good exp and having a nice time and why should we be forced to invite people just to help other hibs out?
If we want to help others exp, I would much rather help some new people in the game than people being childish and forcing us to invite.



Proud member of Divine!

cos helping out hibs isn't what this game is about fucktard people like you are ruining the game

proud member your quite right you are a fucking member
but like what was quoted earlier for every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction when you come to RvR and you pissed of a dr00d at fins who couldn't get in your group and he spots one of your guild eating dirt mmmshould i rezz that guy ?
NO WHY HELP OTHER HIBS!!!!!!!!

 

[Chameleon]

Oh did I miss something ...... should everyone know who Divine are?
It makes no difference if it was a guild or a random group to be honest ...... the point is that the fins list has managed to operate all this time with a broadly accepted set of rules across an entire realm ... now suddenly that has changed, cos some guild group decided it should ...... hhhmmmm, not the next generation of l33t BS is it?

 

[shaetan]

I don't get why they can't xp where they wanna.

 

[Chameleon]

have you not been to the fins list or know about it shaetan? its a rolling group that operates there all day, every day and people can join the list, giving anyone who has the time to wait a chance to get some xp there. it's not perfect, but it works generally. its more a pain in the arse than a benefit really, but it carry's on regardless, with only the occasional 'gate crash' by the odd group now and then

 

[censi]

nothing wrong here. they are camping an XP spot to ding 50.

get up b4 them are start farming the spot b4 they do if you want the spot. i doubt they will keep it up 24X7.

They are obviously a power lvl group that want to hit 50 bad. if they just went to saumer spawn area they would ding 50 about 10-15 hours quicker than fins. (specially if they are focusing)

 

[Faeldawn]

Originally posted by censi
nothing wrong here. they are camping an XP spot to ding 50.

get up b4 them are start farming the spot b4 they do if you want the spot. i doubt they will keep it up 24X7.

They are obviously a power lvl group that want to hit 50 bad. if they just went to saumer spawn area they would ding 50 about 10-15 hours quicker than fins. (specially if they are focusing)

Correct.

No active fins-list-group, no claim to the spawn and no right to flame this guild.

 

[Sleip]

The thing is, we had a list, but we said that it won't change because we are an guildgroup, if one leaves evryone leaves. So there is not much point with a list except that if we leave we have the list of the people who is going to have the spot after us.

And we did pass the list to Lewskie so he could make a new group.

Yes we could have exped some other place, but since we had been trying to exp everywhere and nothing suited our group.
The behaviour of those who flamed us is just about jealousy.
Someone told us "You are not allowed to exp here because you can get better exp in SI"
Well one in our group haven't got SI. And tell me why can't we exp where we want ? Why should we get blamed for not inviting random people when we want to exp together ?

It's not our fault really. We can't help that Goa have made shitty exp spots from 43-50 in Hibernia, I know that is true because I have exped four 50s at mid/exc. and believe me EZ is nothing compared to Malmohus the epic zone of Midgard.

And the fact that just because we were all in the same guild, we were not allowed to exp there just pisses me off.

And finbahr I don't think you understand what I was saying. I help other players out when they deserve it and feel grateful for helping them. Not some dick who takes for granted that just because we are 6 people we MUST invite 2 more.

Something is really wrong when the whole realm of Hibernia is depended on 5 mobs by a tree. Go explore other places when the fins spot is camped... There maybe is an equal spot or even better spot somewhere else, Isn't that was this game is all about?

 

[Event]

What a bunch of fish wives !!

A lot of peeps in hib are so stuck in their ways its unbelievable. Peeps can xp or do wth they want imo but if you are still stuck xping in old hibernia you are missing out on the treat that is Hybrasil.

Gfx are better, mobs are more amusing to the eye and have better AI, ROG drops are pretty good, and the xp and the fun derived from gaining that xp is just plain superior to dingy old hib.

Stop sticking with the devil you know and dip your toe into SI - before you know it you'll be skinny dipping with the Stag and tearing the thongs off Fomors with your bare teeth

Enjoy....

 

[-Lillo-]

There are spoken and unspoken rules. the latter may differ from server to server, even realm to realm on one particular server. (e.g lotto rules)

Fact of the matter is that they had no right to change something that is considered standard procedure, just because they felt like it.
Who are they to change convention? People generally accept the existence of a list, and play by its rules (mostly ... ). Yet these guys just decided one day to row upstream...

Its more like survival of the fittest this way, which is (in my opinion ofc) never good.



Aaaanyways, so far my insightful commentary on yet another stupid fins post :sleeping:
Enough already?!

 

[Rubric]

I see nothing wrong here.

 

[censi]

Fact of the matter is that they had no right to change something that is considered standard procedure, just because they felt like it.

They didnt change anything. I think standard procedure for most people is to get a group togther and go farm good mobs....

The whole fins list is set up for convience. If a fin group gets started and somone runs a list then that fins group generally has that spot till the list disbands (usually late at night)

The fins list never got started cuz the group farming them didnt want to run a public list. (their choice)

The guy here has explained his point of view in a calm and composed way. He hasnt flamed of cursed anyone... and tbh i agree with what he is saying. not much more to debait.

 

[Shrye]

Originally posted by Rubric
I see nothing wrong here.

OMG...!!!! It didn't rhyme xDDD

 

[finbahr]

what i didn't agree with the most is WE ARE NOT HERE TO HELP OTHER HIBS wtf is that all about and i got to 50 only did 4 levels at the fins and now hunt in SI with my alts its the attitude you have with other members of the realm its all about team work for when you ding 50 you piss too many people of while you are leveling you will recieve retrebution in RvR when you meet up with these people you pissed off.

i never had any dealings with this guild never really heard of them tbh.


the only advise to you from this guild is become more hib friendly before you lose too many potential allies cos some peeps in hib don't forget

 

[Solarius]

Hey Finbahr, I have a 25th NS I wanna get to 50th, you gonna PL him with your warden? What? No? But you just said everyone in Hib should help everyone else, how is my request diferent from that?

Thing is, you are using the 'the game is about helping other hibs out' is a purile rant that they wouldn't invite you into their group. And why should they?

Fact is, there is no RULE saying you HAVE to help anyone, you play the way you want to, you pay for it so noone has the right to say 'you should play this way'. As Censi pointed out, the list was started by a group not with the unwritten intention that it should remain indefinatly for people who want to get from 4x to 50 and don't want to find/start an xp group. If this guild camps the spot, by the way the game as a whole plays, they have the right to do this.

Oh, and cut the 'if I see you dead in the frontier I'm not gonna res you cos you never invited me into your group' crap, it makes you sound like a toddler who's chucking his toys out of the pram. I'm sure you are more mature than that, are you not?

 

[finbahr]

GET IT RIGHT I WAS NOT AT THIS FINS GROUP PLS READ PREVIOUS POSTS CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR GOB


think you are taking it a bit too far but yeah i've pl people who have asked when i'm not trying to rvr or getting my alts to 50 took a grp to cm the other week to pl them didn't .say i will help everyone all the time i soloed my warden through 1/4 of the levels if a random group did this at fins what wouyld happen ?

its the guys attitude i'm not here to help hibs if you agree with this then your as bad

didn't say i would not rezz obviosly you didn't read my post

says haven't had any probs with them myself never even heard of them tbh

just saying i have a few people who i would not rezz because of the actions they took against myself

if i see 99% of the realm in trouble i would ask if they needed help or assist them

so don't start getting all moralistic

 

[finbahr]

Originally posted by Solarius

Fact is, there is no RULE saying you HAVE to help anyone, you play the way you want to, you pay for it so noone has the right to say 'you should play this way'. As Censi pointed out, the list was started by a group not with the unwritten intention that it should remain indefinatly for people who want to get from 4x to 50 and don't want to find/start an xp group. If this guild camps the spot, by the way the game as a whole plays, they have the right to do this.

BUT THERE IS A RULE SAYING YOU CANNOT CAMP MOBS SO LIST IS DEAD 5+ GROUPS CAN NOW PULL FINS AND NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU START XP LEACHING THIS IS THE ONLY RULES THAT IS AGAINST THE CoC

THE Fins list has worked great for well over a year with the odd few hiccoughs(its how you reallys spell hiccups) i'm sure 90% of the realm (who has 50's) has got a a few levels there when the list was king so what has changed now?

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Ahqmae
Just get a bard and lul their pulls if you don't like em ;p

that would be leeching i guess (interfering in someone elses pulled mob), and that is against the CoC

pulling mobs from a camped spot, or even camp CF fins without a list and not inviting more ppl, is not

 

[Solarius]

Sorry, but the fact is you made the implication, and I stand by my comments in general. They wern't directed only at you though, they were for any player who would hold that attitude (but then, if someone doesn't want to res thats their perogative also), just I was referring to your comments at the same time. No insult intended, but it got your attention

Fin's lists have generated way to much aggro between players in the past, with preference, list abuse et al, I'd not shed any tears if it was abolished. As has been stated, there's way more better places to xp, if you can be bothered to look. Others, I can see from this thread, however, see it as the end of Hibernia if it goes.

Sadly, the new trend these days is indeed '50 asap, and fuck the rest of you', it would be nice if everyone helped everyone else out but face it, that aint gonna happen.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by finbahr
BUT THERE IS A RULE SAYING YOU CANNOT CAMP MOBS SO LIST IS DEAD 5+ GROUPS CAN NOW PULL FINS AND NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU START XP LEACHING THIS IS THE ONLY RULES THAT IS AGAINST THE CoC

THE Fins list has worked great for well over a year with the odd few hiccoughs(its how you reallys spell hiccups) i'm sure 90% of the realm (who has 50's) has got a a few levels there when the list was king so what has changed now?

I love ppl who abuses caps lock. cba to read

 

[finbahr]

Originally posted by Gahldir
I love ppl who abuses caps lock. cba to read

WELL WHY QUOTE? CBA TO TYPE THIS MESSAGE

 

[old.SOSAGES]

weirdos

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by finbahr
WELL WHY QUOTE? CBA TO TYPE THIS MESSAGE

someone translate this, pls. my eyes hurt so much from caps

 

[rootin]

Sorry to cut and paste but it sums up the exping situation in Hibernia for me.

"I'm new to Hib and I've noticed that there is a huge gap in PvE between 40 and 50.

The situation is not helped by the PL, buff bot, groups where level 50s take spawn points and keep the groups small so the bot gets better exp.

I hope for Hibs sake they dont put the Chanter focus shield in a differnet spec to the pb ( as in the Spiritmaster) cause people in Hib would have to have a radical rethink about the way they exp."

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by finbahr
BUT THERE IS A RULE SAYING YOU CANNOT CAMP MOBS SO LIST IS DEAD 5+ GROUPS CAN NOW PULL FINS AND NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU START XP LEACHING THIS IS THE ONLY RULES THAT IS AGAINST THE CoC

THE Fins list has worked great for well over a year with the odd few hiccoughs(its how you reallys spell hiccups) i'm sure 90% of the realm (who has 50's) has got a a few levels there when the list was king so what has changed now?

Actually, that is against the CoC afaik, it can be appealed to a CSR on the US servers, and you'll be asked to stop, not sure how it will work here tho

 

[Chameleon]

hhmmm lots of words to try to explain away something very simple. The fins list has existed all this time and the entire realm managed to accept the way it worked and not camp the spot ....... until now. Is it that diffficult to understand? No one is saying you don't have the right, no one is saying its a rule ....... the point being made is that suddenly you are an exception and can decide to camp this spot. Your right, fins is not the best xp, your right that we'd be better without the list ....... but the decision to change things is not yours. If better xp can be found elsewhere, then YOU go and find it elsewhere.

 

[Sleip]

Originally posted by finbahr
what i didn't agree with the most is WE ARE NOT HERE TO HELP OTHER HIBS wtf is that all about and i got to 50 only did 4 levels at the fins and now hunt in SI with my alts its the attitude you have with other members of the realm its all about team work for when you ding 50 you piss too many people of while you are leveling you will recieve retrebution in RvR when you meet up with these people you pissed off.

the only advise to you from this guild is become more hib friendly before you lose too many potential allies cos some peeps in hib don't forget

Yet again you misunderstand me Finbahr. I haven't said that "we are not here to help other hibs". I help other players if they need it. And the game would be so much better if all helped each other and all gave equal amount of help.
As it is in real life and in every situation, it doesn't work like that.
The world would be perfect if evryone helped each other out, but if one person breakes the pattern the whole system collapse, one would end up with evrything and one end up with nothing.

I am hib friendly, If I weren't I shouldn't have played on this server/realm. But the people who respect me gets my respect in return.

So why can't you just understand and respect that me and guild wanted to exp together at a spot that we saw as the best at that moment and play just the six of us without any others?

Go ahead don't ressurect me in RvR no problem but don't expect any help from me either.

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Sleipner lvl 50 Healer RR5+ [Mid/Exc]
Mortalis lvl 50 Shadowblade RR5+ [Mid/Exc]
Valhandir lvl 50 Hunter RR5+ [Mid/Exc]
Twix lvl 47 Enchanter [Hib/Exc]

Still a proud member of Divine!