Greed works it seems - one from Bad Omen at it again.

[Marcus75]

Once again I say the topic was a bad way of starting the thread but I still say I couldnt care less who did this and from what guild - I make an effort to give everyone I meet in this game and in real life the benefit of a doubt and in my book I see Bad Omen, the guild, as a RvR-guild that has gotten/is getting pulled down due to the behaviour of some of its members - its not like you guys started the guild and was immiedietly disliked.

Everyone should think a second or two before they accuse a group of people (remember its always another human behind the character) since such things always go wrong - history has shown us that.

Lets just all sing "We are the world" and try and look at situations with an open mind.

 

[bane]

as i read through this whine post i first thought that ive was in the rvr section the enemy is albs/hibs guys i know this toa thing brings out the worst in us all buuuut

 

[Dumle]

Ofcourse the RvR guilds gets more abuse on forums than other guilds get, Ofcourse people are quick to post whenever someone in such a guild does something wrong.


They are afterall the celebrities on the servers they play on, lets face it...
1. They are good at what they do.
2. There are few members in those guilds, thight groups so ppl know who they are.
3. Alot of ppl look up to them and want to learn what they do every day out in the frontiers.
4. They are the minority of population so they stand out

Conclusion, they are the server celebs

Look at the tabloidpapers in the real world, do they print stories about "old man pete" out in the woods somewhere that likes to feed the deers when he once cheated on his wife? No freakin way, who would read that and care.
On the other hand when a celebrity does the same thing, take in the same context as "old man Pete" President Clinton cheated on his wife and americans are still talking aabout that ^^

Just because things happen inside a computergame doesnt mean that societies values and reactions differ, there are still human beings behind the pixels that react to it as they would in the real world.
So "celebrities" WILL have a harder time... Celebrities WILL have the eyes of the world/community more focused upon them...

You can ask if its fair, answer ofcourse is no, but thats the way life is, was and always will be.
I was in the most hated PvP/PK guild on my server for the last 6-7 months when I played Ultima Online and I cant even count the times where I was ganked to oblivion, trashtalked, cleanlooted and generally pissed on and the only reason behind it was that I was in that particular guild.
People would actually stop fighting eachother just to gank us when we entered the screen, hehe


Dont know if it makes sense to you but think about it and Im sure it will

 

[Frols]

Yes...its true...not a single day goes by without my crying myself to sleep for not being in BO or knowing how they do stuff in the frontiers....

You ask why people pick on BO but i remember a few other threads where they have "done something wrong" probably there is some truth in what people say.

But tbh and this goes to all the guilds if someone abuses you or something just laugh at them, they are keyboard heroes thinking they can push you around and you dont have to lissten to there crap if you dont like to. But remember to have some respect for eachother.

Frols over and out.

:wub:

 

[Section]

the thing is, that BO member got right about 1 thing..
People steal mobs all the times nowadays, mostly in ToA zones, and that's very sad.

 

[Aldrick]

Baduska are you the same that where in Malmö when I was there with Fafne?

Awwww am i a cwy baby? I'm not the one throwing insults around here just stating my point of the matter. But perhaps we are not allowed to have our on view on things.

Well we got it all wrong at Rassa, thought we where welcome after being told to join your bg, but seems that was not the case after we zerged up on the platform, most of us got off fast when you started shouting, some people dont pay attention to chats while fighting. But when all where off 2 of you where still insulting us. etc.

It started with a missunderstanding but ending in insulting.

But if we where not welcome to start with, then why did your guild give us the name of the bg holder and have it public, and not saying anything when we joined it?

I was the BG leader for BO on that time and what you are writing isnt true, we were on all pads except one and just going through tactics and buffing up when your zerg came and started shouting join our BG and zerged up on the pads starting the encounter. We got 4 ppl from your zerg into our BG which i removed after you guys totally ignoring us and starting the encounter before we were rdy. We offered for you to join our BG but just because you guys didnt listen and didnt behave good we just couldnt do it together. State all the facts before you say something imo.

Imo, what u did there is just as bad as the thing the healer did at belt spawn. Both very sad in my eyes but mistakes happen and I for one dont come running to FH every time someone makes mistakes or behave badly.

 

[Fafnir]

I was the BG leader for BO on that time and what you are writing isnt true, we were on all pads except one and just going through tactics and buffing up when your zerg came and started shouting join our BG and zerged up on the pads starting the encounter. We got 4 ppl from your zerg into our BG which i removed after you guys totally ignoring us and starting the encounter before we were rdy. We offered for you to join our BG but just because you guys didnt listen and didnt behave good we just couldnt do it together. State all the facts before you say something imo.

Imo, what u did there is just as bad as the thing the healer did at belt spawn. Both very sad in my eyes but mistakes happen and I for one dont come running to FH every time someone makes mistakes or behave badly.

Well i just know what i saw, i was out helping Lenore get krojers done, but was to long line there so swimming back i joined your bg after being told that, i died, lenore died, due to someone starting the fire island trial. I got rezzed, i rezzed lenore, we came back to rassa trial, where, people where fighting on the pad, i ran up to help, when Freydianna started abusing us, so i left your bg and rejoined our old one.

So to me this all was a big missunderstanding to start with until Frey and one other started insulting us, and they didnt stop when we all got off "your pad".

 

[lzy]

why do you made name of the guy off screen ? what does it mean ? i want to know which players i should and must avoid !!!

pls post all the names of guys who are bad mofos prooved by screenshot.

Lzy

 

[Dook]

This is ONE person in Bad Omen that I have had trouble with - I dont know the rest well enough to judge them in any way.

I logged on where the artifact Belt of Moon spawns - check the island for anyone else and when it's clear I start to clear the mobs. On the last mob I spot one of the members of this guild and he/she has pulled it and its almost dead and once he/she has killed it this conversation takes place:

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http://medlem.spray.se/marcusnordlund75/sshot026.jpg

It's damn depressing seeing so many people just care for themselfs and despite this being Bad Omen the guild itself is not to blame - this has happened several times with other guilds and I just want this guy/girl to really, really think the next time a similiar situation comes up - especially when you take into consideration that he/she knew it was wrong and what was offered.

Just read first few lines and posted this but why say "BO Again" like it's the whle guild when you say yourself it's only one member and you don't know the rest?

Kinda silleh imo

 

[Ctuchik]

why cant we all just get along

because the game isnt made for ppl to "get along" in. if it was then the trials and every other high value drop wouldent be on a timer/random spawn (as belt of the moon is)... this game is made for ppl to get nasty on eachother.. just face it..

 

[nuky]

because the game isnt made for ppl to "get along" in. if it was then the trials and every other high value drop wouldent be on a timer/random spawn (as belt of the moon is)... this game is made for ppl to get nasty on eachother.. just face it..

everything is like that, thats life, and if u look on everything like that, i feel sorry for u.

 

[Dumle]

Yes...its true...not a single day goes by without my crying myself to sleep for not being in BO or knowing how they do stuff in the frontiers....

Sarcasm is wasted on me, Im humorless Besides you know thats not what I meant, there are however alot of ppl that do want to get good at RvR and ofcourse they look up to the guilds that "kicks the most ass".

You ask why people pick on BO but i remember a few other threads where they have "done something wrong" probably there is some truth in what people say.

There probably is even more truth in what people DONT say too Frols Im sure if ppl would in all honestly start to post about all other pl that steals their mobs in ToA, abuses them for doing something in their eyes wrong and so on we would have a laaaarge postincrease here on FH, these things is not solely done by the RvR guilds you know but they have the spotlight on them so every single thing they do gets brought up here.

They are not denying the fact that they have done these things either, but if someone in some other guild would have done same thing (and I know these things have happened) they probably wouldnt have gotten the same type of /tell from 90% of the ppl and therefore not reacted in the same manner that BO ppl does at times. Probably they wouldnt have gotten their own whinethread on a forum because they are not in a high profile guild.

As an example of pulling the wrong mobs: When being in a malmogroup one time someone got pissed because grp2 wasnt getting good enough xps at one time, he got his BD and started disrupting the pulls rooting the mobs and so on just so the SMs would have to nuke more and generally tried to cause chaos that causing 2 groups of ppl getting pisspoor xp for almost 30 mins before he finally got bored. Now this person wasnt in such a guild and it was never mentioned anywhere on the boards, go figure ^^.

In the context of getting abused for adding (tho I must say it rarely happens to me, has happened but its more rare than common) I clearly remember lots of incidents where I have gotten abuse for being NEAR the wrong place in a dungeon while going somewhere else.
Example was passing the cavetrow trollkarls in spindel see that there is 3 ppl pulling there so We decide to move to another place, we get aggro from a trollkarl that pops on us when moving through and instantly we get a yell from the ppl there "FFS WE ARE CAMPING HERE MORONS, FO!!!1". This is not an isolated incident but these things never get taken to the boards do they?

Not defending what happened here and if it had happened to me I would probably have become quite pissed too, thats why I steer clear of the pussinfected sesspool that is ToA for the time being, it just brings out the very worst in ppl.

But tbh and this goes to all the guilds if someone abuses you or something just laugh at them, they are keyboard heroes thinking they can push you around and you dont have to lissten to there crap if you dont like to. But remember to have some respect for eachother.

Frols over and out.

:wub:

Agree, and most importantly do NOT take it to the boards, it serves absolutely no purpose. These kind of threads only makes ppl base their opinion on a guild not on their own experiences making them perhaps react towards them in a completely different way than they would against other ppl, Im sure someone wouldnt mind "spicing up" their /tell to someone in BO because they have the opinion that they are the scum of the earth and they got it from the boards rather than from ingame.
Solve your problems ingame with the person himself and if need be their GM, dont air it on the boards even if you feel frustrated, nothing good will ever come out of it.


PS: I think you should have taken the 5 plat he offered, I mean being payed 5 plat for pulling those mobs is not bad payment and if you didnt need the money then you should just have given them to me, hi hi

PPS: What if BO started making a thread everytime they get abuse from someone in a /tell that they didnt deserve, would you agree with them too? Im sure you would just /point /laugh and tell them that they deserved it.

Well rant over, just think about the oldie but goodie, there is never ones fault that two people quarrel.

 

[Marcus75]

Dook:

If you read my 2-3 other posts in this thread I try my best, even tried to change it, to appoligize for the topic headline - but I guess you either dont read that or just think it dosnt matter.

 

[Profion]

Baduska that wasent the first time and YOU know that but iguess you dont care.

 

[Aldrick]

Well i just know what i saw, i was out helping Lenore get krojers done, but was to long line there so swimming back i joined your bg after being told that, i died, lenore died, due to someone starting the fire island trial. I got rezzed, i rezzed lenore, we came back to rassa trial, where, people where fighting on the pad, i ran up to help, when Freydianna started abusing us, so i left your bg and rejoined our old one.

So to me this all was a big missunderstanding to start with until Frey and one other started insulting us, and they didnt stop when we all got off "your pad".

That just show you have no idea what really happened since you werent there all the time and because of that you really should keep your mouth shut about it. Accusing ppl based on the little you saw and not even knowing what happened is very bad imo.

 

[Ormorof]

That just show you have no idea what really happened since you werent there all the time and because of that you really should keep your mouth shut about it. Accusing ppl based on the little you saw and not even knowing what happened is very bad imo.

well, i dont think any situation possible in game calls for any sort of verbal abuse, regardless of whether he was there or not

 

[Jareth Spellfire]

He did not aim it at the guild like he said in the post but to the general attitude of some players. Let the guy take a load off it's not like other's don't...

 

[Fafnir]

That just show you have no idea what really happened since you werent there all the time and because of that you really should keep your mouth shut about it. Accusing ppl based on the little you saw and not even knowing what happened is very bad imo.

Well its not all that has given me, my opinion about you, read some of my other posts, aswell.

And i belive in freedom of speech so i will not keep my mouth shut because you tell me. Since release of this game i think i have had around 2 encounters where i used really foul language against a fellow player, but that was because they where being a real ass to start with. After that I rather put the person on Ignore for a day or two then remove them, but as i stated before i have 4 BO member on perma iggy, due to multiple insults.

But i was in the BG from the first time our bg leader said we should join yours, after that 5 sec i joined yours i heard nothing about not stepping onto the building. And when i came there myself and jumped up to help, well atleast i thought we where gonna help you do it easier. The insults started comming, and they kept comming after the last person not in BO had left the building. And i was msg'd with a demand to Buff your main tank, a savage i belive that was tanking rassa. But i did not, i do not answer good to demands, if he would have said, could you buff him please, then sure.

 

[Aldrick]

Well its not all that has given me, my opinion about you, read some of my other posts, aswell.

And i belive in freedom of speech so i will not keep my mouth shut because you tell me. Since release of this game i think i have had around 2 encounters where i used really foul language against a fellow player, but that was because they where being a real ass to start with. After that I rather put the person on Ignore for a day or two then remove them, but as i stated before i have 4 BO member on perma iggy, due to multiple insults.

But i was in the BG from the first time our bg leader said we should join yours, after that 5 sec i joined yours i heard nothing about not stepping onto the building. And when i came there myself and jumped up to help, well atleast i thought we where gonna help you do it easier. The insults started comming, and they kept comming after the last person not in BO had left the building. And i was msg'd with a demand to Buff your main tank, a savage i belive that was tanking rassa. But i did not, i do not answer good to demands, if he would have said, could you buff him please, then sure.

Ofc you have the freedom of speech just as i can say that i think the zerg you belonged to behaved like assholes, just my opinion, and I was the one tanking Rassa and i was fully buffed and i remember someone from your zerg yell to buff me, i have no idea why since i allready had full buffs. But the fact remains, we were preparing for the encounter, we where there first and alone. Then the zerg comes there and starts yelling, join our BG. We say, nah but you can join our BG, then before anyone has joined the BG all ppl just zerg up to the pad starting the encounter before anything was decided upon and that would have meant we wouldnt have got the credit for the encounter since we didnt have all ppl in either BG, we yelled lots of times to not get on the pad so the encounter wouldnt start yet but the zerg just ignored that. I dont care who was in the zerg since it doesnt matter to me, but I can understand that some ppl in BO got pissed because of that.

 

[Fafnir]

Ofc you have the freedom of speech just as i can say that i think the zerg you belonged to behaved like assholes, just my opinion, and I was the one tanking Rassa and i was fully buffed and i remember someone from your zerg yell to buff me, i have no idea why since i allready had full buffs. But the fact remains, we were preparing for the encounter, we where there first and alone. Then the zerg comes there and starts yelling, join our BG. We say, nah but you can join our BG, then before anyone has joined the BG all ppl just zerg up to the pad starting the encounter before anything was decided upon and that would have meant we wouldnt have got the credit for the encounter since we didnt have all ppl in either BG, we yelled lots of times to not get on the pad so the encounter wouldnt start yet but the zerg just ignored that. I dont care who was in the zerg since it doesnt matter to me, but I can understand that some ppl in BO got pissed because of that.

Ok guess the truth is somewhere in the middle of yours and my experience But that does not give anyone the right to start to insult people and keep on insulting them. If it had just been fucking morons or something like that once it would have been ok, but over and over for a few min. is not ok in my book.

 

[Brelakor]

Anyone want some more sandcakes?
Who does this little doll belong to?

All in all a regular day in kindergarden.

 

[Indio]

This sort of thing is not confined to BO, I have had similar happen to me twice when solo hunting artifacts, where after camping a site for up to 3 hours some ignorant git has come along and nicked the artifact whilst I was fighting a mob. It is SO bloody annoying and downright bad manners. I'm no angel but knowing how important the artifacts are to some people then we should show proper respect in these situations and our guildmasters should spell this out to their members. Lets have a proper code of conduct eh?

Sadly, greed and selfishness seems to be a facet of TOA which unfortunately seems to be breeding fast.

Indio.

 

[Aarween]

hmms... not annother "BO topic" :/ it just makes me sad about beeing a Mid...

first of all, 90% of Midgard shows no respect what so ever to BO, how can you be so naive to expect that BO should show respect to the rest of Mid?

From the start people have been trying to freeze out BO... I know in the begining when BO was fresh... Blejs did ask people who were allready guilded if they wanted to join... he asked once, just once, didn't bug them or so... some people choosed to join BO some said no... however, after getting a few angry pms from Officers and GMs I told Blejs that people didn't like his methods... and he stopped recuiting that way...

After he stopped recuting that way I one day spoke with one of my old friends... who happened to be a member of NE's GMs/council thingie... I got told that it had been decided that no guild from NE should participate in any raid, didn't matter if it was Relic Raid or Dragon Raid, that BO joined in...

please observ that I didn't attend to this meeting where it was decided. Someone told me about this, someone beeing a highly respected GM/officer (not really sure which one ;p) of a NE guild... so I take it beeing the truth...

I asked why, and he couldn't tell me any other reason then "Blejs recuiting methods"... I told him that he'd stoped with those methods... and asked why NE, beeing known for beeing a highly diplomatic alliance, didn't try to solve the problem in any other way then pure ignore... I never got any answer...

anyhow... In my BO days I got to take a lot of shit for everything I did the smallest to peoples dislike... People didn't accept a "sorry" if I happened to pull a mob that they also pulled... I got pms daily from people saying how much they hate me... for what they never answered... but I assume it was because of my guild tag...

I don't know if it was only me who got these messages... but I fully understand why you don't want to be nice people when everyone hates you for no reason... one of the reasons I left BO was because of the extreme hate people had... at some point everyone lose their will to be nice to people throwing shit back... instead of beeing rude back I left the guild and joined SU, one of the only guild I know that have had somewhat respect for BO...


I'm not saying everyone from BO allways been angles, I'm just saying that the shit BO have been throwing at the rest of Mid isn't even compareable with the shit rest of mid have been throwing at BO...

 

[Aldrick]

Ok guess the truth is somewhere in the middle of yours and my experience But that does not give anyone the right to start to insult people and keep on insulting them. If it had just been fucking morons or something like that once it would have been ok, but over and over for a few min. is not ok in my book.

Eh, No? It isnt in the middle of it, thats just what happened.

 

[Marcus75]

Aarween:

I agree, as already stated, that its damn, damn stupid to flame a whole guild for the behaviour of few. If you check the beginning of the discussion I had with this BO-member I didnt yell or anything I just was sarcastic and annoyed - if at that point he/she would have replied, even if it would have been a lie, "Oh didnt see anyone else here" I would still have been upset and annoyed but I wouldnt have made this thread. However - when I got the answer "Np happen all the time at belt of moon" I get furious since thats exactly the kind of people, using such a tone and with such an opinion of others, that I really, really dislike and wished they would go play Solitare or something.

 

[Ormorof]

wished they would go play Solitare or something.

i dunno what it is about that but it just made my day

 

[Profion]

I guess that not all members i BO are dorks but iknow there are some dorks in BOs member list.

If a guild have members that makes people angry all the time by bad manners,greed etc etc then all get the crap.

I say it is up to the GMs to talk whit the "bad boyz" and if its not helping kick them and prove that bad manners dont belong in your guild.

This is not meent to be a /rude to BO and its members

 

[Mikal]

What is going on in those screenshots is horrible, and we wouldn't tolerate that kind of behaviour from any of our members, and I doubt any guilds really would.

but have you thought of actually contacting BO's GM and see if he will help out, like you probably would with any other guild, or has it just become normal procedure to go directly to FH as soon it involves BO ?

posts like this will accomplish nothing but making their reputation worse and make ALL of BO's members act defensive, instead of helping to solve the indifferences

 

[Ctuchik]

everything is like that, thats life, and if u look on everything like that, i feel sorry for u.

i never said everyone was like that. i just said the game was made so...

theres nice ppl in DAoC, but they dont seem to be as many as they used to be.....


now its more or less just me me me me me me...

 

[lzy]

btw ... why dont u contacted the GM of BO with this sceenies ? In my guild this member was warned and gaved artifact back or just kicked from guild. If we dont try to improve our guild why make guild than ?

Guild is mentioned to be a nice friends group who stay for each other and look after each other, so no1 make shet and get some1 insulted etc. at least it was so in my guild all the time. Once i got warning from my GM (as i calmed down i saw i was wrong) and i was very grateful to him for stoping me making bad things. I appologised myself by this player next day.

Ofcoze when guild dont have respect for GM so why u have such ppl in your guild ? I never ever played with BO so i say my imo only. After those screenes i was depressed that such ppl still exist in game.

The other thing if one guild ignores all other ppl, than we must ignore them as whole guild with all realm. Coz when ppl stay in this guild they admit the direction of where the guild goes, so no respect for them too til they take some actions on those abusers etc.

mfg,
Lzy