Graphic Cards

[old.logic7]

Just out of curiosity, where did you get these specs from?

1) 1280x resolution
2) 32-bit colour
3) masive detailed textures
4) lots and lots of tiny polygons
4) a constant frame rate of 85 fps

Last year, you probably would have said something like:

• 1024x768 resolution
• 32-bit color
• large textures (not massive ones)
• a constant frame rate of 60fps

The year or two before it would have been:

• 640x480 or maybe 800x600 resolution
• 24-bit color
• bilinear filtering for textures
• at least 30 or 40 fps in Quake BigAss demo.

Every year, someone like you says that the current cards are not adequate for games that are out at that time. Every year, graphic chip manufacturers give you exactly what you ask for but as soon as you get it, you start bitching about something else.

when will it end?

 

[old.sjp]

look, whats the fucking big deal ....

that was one line i made a couple of days ago, when i was in a padantic frame of mind,BUT its still true, here goes


quote:-
"the framerate and refresh do not equate to a delay ingame, the time from server to client" this is CORRECT, BUT it does equate to a delay between the CLIENT and the USER.

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if 2 ppl are playing game X, one at 25 fps the other at 100 fps, the guy at 100 fps will "see" things BEFORE the guy at 25fps, not by much, but he will c things sooner.

updates are drawn on the screen every 40ms for one and every 10ms for the other. this is a fact, its not ping but its still true.
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of course this is all BOLLOCKS, like does a 30ms delay count ?, if you factor in a 10 ms response time ....


onto Q3.....

a there are several ideal redresh rate son q3a (unless u use the 125hz mod), the most common one is 125fps, at this rate you can jump higher, further etc. PS 55 fps is not one so change it



now logic7,

last year (in fact ever since i had a voodoo 1 and a 17" monitor) my ideal vid card would have been

1) 1280x resolution (higher is no good on my monitor)
2) 32-bit colour (might as well have it)
3) masive detailed textures (they look nice)
4) lots and lots of tiny polygons (nice detailed models)
5) a constant frame rate of 85 fps (wanted this from day one, we are just getting there now)

PS. it will end when we have photo realistic graphics (still along way away, dont listen to nivid )



quite why the above winds you up i dont no ......, iam not slagging off your card, your pc or even you (well ok maybe you abit ).

i am NOT taking a pro "Company X" stance and saying card Y is crap cos its not X, i have simply stated a fairly obvious wish list that i want all card makers to forfill


i have not bitched, i simply said that in my opinian, MOST cards (inc my Herc geforce2) dont cut it at 1024x in 32 bit mode yet.

You are the one who jumped to the "YOUR SHIT COS U WANT XXX fps", i did not critise your playing style (but i am sure it stinks ) and i very much doubt we have even played each other online.

anyway pls come back and say whats rong with my wish list, pls tell me what u wnat to see in a years time

[Edited by sjp on 28-10-00 at 19:05]

 

[old.sjp]

o yea logic7 ?

did you take the "Pepsi", whoops, "Q3a" challenge

if so could YOU NOT tell the difference between 40 or 125 ?

and wasent 125 a far nicer rate to play at ?













also if you go back and cound the no of 's ive stuck in all these posts, it should show that quite a lot was said "tonge in cheak", but i find pointless arguments fun so iam quite happy to go on


in fact you are a miserable GIT logic7 , ive just had a quick look back and i have not seen one tiny smily in all these posts you have made


[Edited by sjp on 28-10-00 at 19:07]

 

[bodhi]

Oh get a room you two

 

[old.TUG]

lol Just buy whatcha want at the end of the day cuz flame wars about who has the fastest PC allllllways go on forever, so it aint worth the hassle

And Bodhi even has a decent sig now too so I won't argue with him whilst I'm here

 

[old.logic7]

WTF is a GIT?

Remember, I'm from the US. I'm a bit in the dark when it comes to British slang (except the litte I pick up from other DJ's)

 

[old.sjp]

ARSE !
ive been aguing with a yank ......

Ok, GIT stands for "Greatly Infected Twat" , maybe the following will help -


"in fact you are a miserable XX logic7"


where XX equals any of the following


"arsehead"
"ball bag"
"old fart"
"tosser"
"old blader"
"twat"
"cabbage"
"shit head"
"sod"
"pissflap"
"gonnad head"
"fuck face"
"bastard"
"cunt"
"arsehole"
"wanker"


when i am back in work ill try and think of some more for you, hope that this is of some use logic7 (others, pls feal free to contribute)


PS, seeing as you are here .... whats the most anoying / offensive name i can call an american ?

 

[old.logic7]

Must you point and call names like a 5 year old crumbsnatcher? Grow up ya' neomaxizoondweebie!

 

[old.logic7]

What's the most annoying thing??? Well, considering that I have a great deal of Native Amercian blood running through my veins (I'm a card carrying member of the Quechan Tribe), I guess that calling anyone other than a Native American a "Yank" or "American" could be offensive to me... But, I'm not that anal and don't really care that much. I guess there isn't much that you can call anyone here that would be annoying...

Nyeah

 

[Testin da Cable]

i find 'arse head' much more effective than dweebie m8.

use it anywhere near 'you're talking sh*t' and you have a most effective combo

 

[old.[NC]Sturty]

My monitor will only refresh at 60Mhz, is this due to shit drivers / or just a shit monitor?

Swear on the old SIS card I could refresh at 85Mhz, I'm running a CL DDR atm. Any opionions / flames / help would be very much appreciated.

Sturty

 

[old.sjp]

hey, at least i cheared this flame fight up (logic7's finally found the Smilies ! ).

sorry for calling you a yank, if youd said native ... i would have called you something else




[NC]Sturty,

blame nivid, for some reason their drivers default to 60Hz, to improve it you can

1) go into the display properties, select the settings tab, press addvanced, then monitor and on there there is a default refresh rate box in which you can force it to XXX. (iam on nt so not sure where it is in 9x)

2) hack yor registry and remove the refresh rates you dont like (this is what most ppl do i guess), goto http://www.geforcefaq.com which will tell you how to do it (i dont wana get blamed when you "aciendly" delete half of your registry




[Edited by sjp on 30-10-00 at 10:41]

 

[old.Nosser-]

sjp is a cock

thx

 

[old.sjp]

ok, who the fuck is Nosser ? and what did i say to piss him off ? (pls tell me so i can do it again )

i mean ... ffs what i said about the nivid drivers and 60hz is true


shit, some of you really are miserable GITS / SHITS / ARESHEADS / DWEEBS (pls delete as appropraite)


anyway, Nosser, id go see your doctor .....
.... if the NHS can turn you knob inside out and stick a pair of tits on, iam sure a humour transplant whould not cause to many problems.





and personally, id rather be the cock than the hen .....

 

[old.TUG]

I know him personally unfortunatlely, ignore him - he's a fat hairy fucker.

 

[bodhi]

If you want to offend an American, you could always call him Canadian......

 

[old.Nosser-]

Originally posted by sjp
ok, who the fuck is Nosser ? and what did i say to piss him off ? (pls tell me so i can do it again )

i mean ... ffs what i said about the nivid drivers and 60hz is true

60 FUCKING HZ IS THE DEFAULT FOR ALL DRIVERS/MONITORS U THICK FUCKING COCK, GO ON, CLICK ON DEFAULT FUCKING REFRESH U PIKEY FANNYFUCK COCKMASTER.

I'm here all week ladies and gentlemen.

 

[old.TUG]

Wanna bet Nath? My default is 85Hz now And stop acting like a prick, you're the biggest puff I know IRL so why put on 2 faces? You have one here and one offline? Erm.. why?

Gay.

 

[old.Nosser-]

</gayness>

 

[old.sjp]

OH DEAR !

I SEE WE HAVE A NEW NOMINEE FOR "ARSEHOLE OF THE WEEK"


Unless, of course, Nosser is really *exor* in disgiuse ?


also o tiny dwarf nobbed one, if you wasent so ignorent, you would know that the "default" refresh rate is nomally deterined by the monitor you have selected (which includes a list of all the available refresh rates) and the video card is supposed to query this to find the default.

out of interest on my old millium 2 it defaulted to 85 and on this crappy intel jobbie at work it defaults to 75.

the refresh rate problem is my only real compliant about nividea, in all other respects they offer exelent driver support - they continually improve there drivers and try and give us a nice speed/quality boost evry now and again, they offer stable Win2k support and they do carry on supporting them (unlike 3dfx who threw the voodoo2 in the bin when they released the voodoo3).





and making a wild guess his dual personality is down to him being a little prick with no balls .... you "see" a lot like that on these forumns - you no, sad wimppy twats that live with their parrents and have not got the balls to gob off in real life .....

personally iam exacly the same in real life, except ***I HOPE*** ppl actually no when iam joking (unlike on here)

 

[old.Nosser-]

Originally posted by sjp
and making a wild guess his dual personality is down to him being a little prick with no balls .... you "see" a lot like that on these forumns - you no, sad wimppy twats that live with their parrents and have not got the balls to gob off in real life .....

That's told me :|

 

[bodhi]

Christ TUG I hope youre not like you are on here irl. You'd be the typical Kappa Slappa in that case.......

 

[old.TUG]

If people cause me to give 'em stick then I do. I like annoying people, but only people I know won't knock me out because of my annoyingness I have known Nos for years, he knows I aint that bad But he's a mummy's boy so I don't see the point in him acting like a cunt on here when he isn't, it just makes him look bad.

 

[old.Nosser-]

Originally posted by TUG
If people cause me to give 'em stick then I do. I like annoying people, but only people I know won't knock me out because of my annoyingness I have known Nos for years, he knows I aint that bad But he's a mummy's boy so I don't see the point in him acting like a cunt on here when he isn't, it just makes him look bad.

I'm a mummys boy It says that on my CV k thx

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Christ TUG I hope youre not like you are on here irl. You'd be the typical Kappa Slappa in that case.......

<Nos> tug wouldnt even go out of the house to buy kappa :/


Guess not

 

[old.Dokt]

GFX Cards

Hi all,
I just reviewed all the graphics cards on the market for PC Format and I've included the averaged (demo1 and demo2) scores for each card. Tests were run at 1024x768 in 32-bit (both colour depth and texture quality - but only where possible, some of the older ATi cards down the end of the list are 16-bit only) with texture detail turned up full. Test machine was a Dell PIII 500 with 128Mb of RAM. I've also got the 3D Mark database from the same test if anyone wants it. For the record, the fastest card I've ever benched at 1024x768 is the Creative GeForce 2 GTS. The new Creative GTS Ultra came in must behind it in the 3D Mark test, but only at 1024x768 - it's clearly a very capable card, because it got a near identical score when I ramped the test resolution up to 1280x960. Hope this settles a few arguments
Cheers

Matrox G450 - 37fps
Videologic Vivid 48.2fps
Creative TNT M64 -13.4fps
Diamond Viper II - 44.8fps
Diamond Stealth III - 18.1fps
ATi Rage 128 16MB - 16fps
ATi all in wonder 16MB - 14fps
ATi all in wonder 32MB - 16.1fps
Creative annihilator 256 ddr - 54.3fps
ATi Radeon 32Mb DDR - 55.2fps
Hercules Prophet II MX - 47.2fps
Elsa Gladiac GeForce 2 GTS - 59.8fps
Creative GeForce 2 GTS - 61.2fps
3Dfx Voodoo 5500 PCI - 44.8fps
3dfx Voodoo 5500 AGP - 46.4
3Dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI - 40.5fps
Elsa Gladiac MX - 51.5
3D Prophet II GTS 60.4fps
Creative Blaster Ultra 62.3fps (also 62.1 @ 1280)

 

[old.TUG]

w00t

Aaaaand, I wouldn't buy kappa anyways, I don't like to look like a cheesy twat with all his sports gear and baseball cap... Sad.

 

[old.Davehart]

A little addition:

ATi Xpert98 - 7fps

 

[old.TUG]

lol dave

BTW peeeepals, http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/hardware/graphics/hercules3dprophmx/3dpromx_1.asp for a looksie @ the CL DDR MX in action... it's got a 64bit mem bus so the SDRAM MX with 128bit mem bus still seems betta... although the DDR MX OC'd does well in Q3.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Bodhi
That's Interesting. I used to play online with a P200 and voodoo 1. Got 35fps average. Seemed more than playable enough to me. But then as I said earlier, I'm not really an anal q3 player who cries when my fps go to less than 40000004938549038590348590.6.

lol that's exactly where I was leading to (until I ended up ill/offline). I used to max out on 30fps on my s/w mode 4mb card.