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I always look silly so I have nothing to lose.
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Cdr
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Anyone who says that F1 is interesting, should get out more. I'm sorry, but each season is a forgone conclusion who's gonna win the drivers and who's gonna win the constructors championship. It's as boring as sin. Oh look a pit stop, oh look someone else that isnt a German is in the lead, oh look now he's had to pitstop, oh look the German is back in the lead.
Yes they've tried to 'spice' it up with the introduction of the 1 lap qualifying, but its still pretty pointless. I watch about 3 laps of any grand prix and turn it off.
Whereas rallying, its more exciting to watch, and a damn sight more interesting.
But like I said, each to their own. This is my opinion. I'm sure Tom will quote me and make some sarcastic comment.
Yes they've tried to 'spice' it up with the introduction of the 1 lap qualifying, but its still pretty pointless. I watch about 3 laps of any grand prix and turn it off.
Whereas rallying, its more exciting to watch, and a damn sight more interesting.
But like I said, each to their own. This is my opinion. I'm sure Tom will quote me and make some sarcastic comment.
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Sorry, but just because you've been rallying doesn't suddenly make you an expert on F1 does it?
If it does, then I know everything there is to know about laser guided bombs, because I've fired an air rifle.
You're saying that if you stepped into an F1 car, you would do any better? LOL
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old.ignus
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No I'm saying I've got one up on you, as you've been in neither, now do shut up.
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Jonaldo
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I've seen them both on TV so I win.
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Ive got a remote controlled car, does that count?
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I'm a leaner driver, therefore I know all there is to know about astrophysics.
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I've got white wee wee running down my leg :/
It's all Angelina's fault for letting Kate come and join us
It's all Angelina's fault for letting Kate come and join us
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So what? I've been in many cars, you push a pedal, it goes, fucking simple innit?
What I'm saying is that I've been to 25 Grands Prix, in and out of the team's garages (front and back), on the track, pretty much everywhere except Schumacher's butt hole. Now do shut up.
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Look! Over there!
Someone that cares!!!!!
Someone that cares!!!!!
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Tom
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Originally posted by old.ignus
Look! Over there!
Someone that cares!!!!!
OMFG STFU NOOB !!!11!
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old.ignus
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I often wish I were
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Jonaldo
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intelligent?
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old.ignus
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Originally posted by Jonaldo
I often wish I were intelligent?
You said it.
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IMHO
F1 would need the faster reactions because they're going so fast and they need to push the car to its limits to get in front. Most of the F1 cars have strengths and weaknesses so you get good races down the field every race its just better for the tv people to concentrate on the top places. YES it has been boring but this season its been a whole lot better. As for computers in the car haven't they all been banned now (only data allowed to go is from the car to the pit, not the other way around??) since the british grand prix. As for comparing the two, as other people have said, you can't simple as that. The skills you need for rallying aren't the skills you need for single-seat racing. The concept of handling in single-seaters is different from rallying both are hard to do but not easily comparable. The only problem with rallying that I have (watching wise) is you don't get head-to-heads or over-taking like you do in F1. But rallying is always fun to watch because the tv shows have to edit the action because its in a time-trial format.
F1 would need the faster reactions because they're going so fast and they need to push the car to its limits to get in front. Most of the F1 cars have strengths and weaknesses so you get good races down the field every race its just better for the tv people to concentrate on the top places. YES it has been boring but this season its been a whole lot better. As for computers in the car haven't they all been banned now (only data allowed to go is from the car to the pit, not the other way around??) since the british grand prix. As for comparing the two, as other people have said, you can't simple as that. The skills you need for rallying aren't the skills you need for single-seat racing. The concept of handling in single-seaters is different from rallying both are hard to do but not easily comparable. The only problem with rallying that I have (watching wise) is you don't get head-to-heads or over-taking like you do in F1. But rallying is always fun to watch because the tv shows have to edit the action because its in a time-trial format.
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Spot on doh_boy, well said.
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As a vaugely topic-related question...
Does anyone here drive competitively? I only ask because I've been carting a few times (my mate is shit-hot the barstand so he always wins) and I have a real problem with corners I just don't know how to take them so could someone fill me in.
What I've tried so far
1) Slow down before I get to the corner, brake then go round the corners (accelerating once past the apex). That doesn't seem to give me much speed.
2) Choose a breaking point and keep the foot and the accelerator until you reach it and then the above turning stuff. The kart skreeches loads I do a mini-powerslide (which I'm sure you're not supposed to do) and all the track-side assistants piss themselves laughing.
Does anyone here drive competitively? I only ask because I've been carting a few times (my mate is shit-hot the barstand so he always wins) and I have a real problem with corners I just don't know how to take them so could someone fill me in.
What I've tried so far
1) Slow down before I get to the corner, brake then go round the corners (accelerating once past the apex). That doesn't seem to give me much speed.
2) Choose a breaking point and keep the foot and the accelerator until you reach it and then the above turning stuff. The kart skreeches loads I do a mini-powerslide (which I'm sure you're not supposed to do) and all the track-side assistants piss themselves laughing.
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I'm no expert, but if you get the speed and correct track position going into a corner, then you're more than half way there. Also, your friend could be left foot braking.
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Reaction times are the same, its the ability to concentrate well on multiple items thats important.
go look up some experiements on reaction times i cbfa, there is very little variation.
go look up some experiements on reaction times i cbfa, there is very little variation.
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don't want to sound stupid but whats left foot braking?
eca: I was guessing that the faster you go the less reaction time you get :/ simplistic but I figured correct I cba either
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Rally drivers have the added skill of having to constantly compensate for the unexpected.
Formula 1 drivers are obviously incredibly skilled. But, for the most part - they race in very controlled, set conditions. Flat tarmac, either dry or wet or inbetween.
Now, look at the surfaces rallies are held on - every surface on the planet, complete with small rocks that will throw you into bushes at 120mph if you don't so happen to spot it.
Chances of messing up in rally are a lot higher than in f1 - even despite car and safety being priority in both for years now to cut deaths and injuries. Rally will always be more exciting because it's more real, there's relevance (you see the cars, albeit major downmodels every day) - interesting places to race, and you can physically see the drivers skill a lot better than in formula 1.
Like I said in the other thread linked at the start of this, F1 was great - but hasn't been for about 10 years or so. F1 is getting duller and duller, and rally seems to be going the opposite atm.
Formula 1 drivers are obviously incredibly skilled. But, for the most part - they race in very controlled, set conditions. Flat tarmac, either dry or wet or inbetween.
Now, look at the surfaces rallies are held on - every surface on the planet, complete with small rocks that will throw you into bushes at 120mph if you don't so happen to spot it.
Chances of messing up in rally are a lot higher than in f1 - even despite car and safety being priority in both for years now to cut deaths and injuries. Rally will always be more exciting because it's more real, there's relevance (you see the cars, albeit major downmodels every day) - interesting places to race, and you can physically see the drivers skill a lot better than in formula 1.
Like I said in the other thread linked at the start of this, F1 was great - but hasn't been for about 10 years or so. F1 is getting duller and duller, and rally seems to be going the opposite atm.
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Originally posted by doh_boy
don't want to sound stupid but whats left foot braking?
eca: I was guessing that the faster you go the less reaction time you get :/ simplistic but I figured correct I cba either
Normally, in a car you use your right foot to brake, taking it off the accelerator. Left foot braking is something that F1 drivers, and rally drivers (infact anyone who wants to increase laptimes) use, whereby you never take your foot from above the accelerator, but you use your left foot to brake instead. This allows you to immediately get back onto the power as you come out of the corner. It also allows you to balance the braking / accelertation out better.
As for taking corners, it all depends on what type of corner it is. As long as you hit the apex, you'll be able to get back on and start powering out of it.
With regards to the speed = better reactions, this isnt totally true. F1 drivers work on the principle of braking points - scenery or boards at the side of the track which they use to judge when it is safe to brake. This is nothing to do with reactions, its learning the track and knowing where these braking points are. Obviously each driver is different as to where the braking point is.
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I drive competetively... well... I fight my way through the nobs to the station every day
Seriously though, I do have a bit of karting experience myself and here is the low down:
1) Left foot braking: in a kart setup you will almost certainly have the accelerator on the right and brake on the left with no clutch and fixed gearing. To my knowledge almost all karts these days are 100cc variant since the noise and circuit regulations really hammered down on 250cc karts years ago. 250cc karts do have a conventional 3 pedal config, and if you're driving one of these then I'm bloody jealous (more below).
2) Power slides for cornering: Karts are too small and simple in design to carry a differential which compensates for the different speeds the rear wheels need to rotae to go around a corner (the outer wheel travels further remember) and so they are built with a fixed rear axle. Given therefore that the wheels are linked and must rotate at the same speed, by definition one of them cannot be gripping the surface if the corner is taken conventionally, as the 2 wheels need to travel different distances. The art of cornering then comes down to a method of actually breaking the traction of both wheels and powersliding through the corners. In my experience the best way to achieve this is to turn in hard and nail the throttle... it takes a bit of getting used to but get the hang of it and watch your lap times tumble.
When I was at college I managed to sneak a few hundred quid from the student union budgets to race tune a yamaha 250 cc 5 speed engine at a performace specialist. We put it back on a kart and set it all up. They can be a bit of a bit to start (basically push start) so to fire it up the first time we tied a 30m tow rope to a car and had it towed. Well... the rope tensed and then off the guy went, and the engine fired first time. The acceleration of the bloody thing meant it was all he could do to get off the throttle and slam on the brakes before decapitating himself on the back of the car
We took it to Cadwell Park race circuit for a test day and calculated (wheel diameter and revs and gearing) we were pulling 0-60 in about 3 seconds and 130 mph along the straight there... was an absolute blast but after just 5 laps I was totally knackered just from holding my head on my shoulders with the G force and a helmet on. Fucking amazing
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A lot of noob karters rest their left foot lightly on the brake pedal, this makes a massive difference to the speed, so make sure when you aren't braking you have no pressure at all on the brake.
You won't accelerate well in a kart until all four wheels are pointing in the same direction, so your cornering should aim to get this happening as soon as possible.
This usually means sliding the kart round the corners, and making sure you use all the track available. A quick bang on the brake as you turn the wheel hard can help to break the back wheels traction and get the kart turning in.
It's really hard to explain this without a pen and paper. Talk to the marshalls at the track, they'll help you the most, They should be able to talk you through each corner, well worth it.
Be aggressive with the Kart, you will spin out, if you don't, you're not trying hard enough.
You won't accelerate well in a kart until all four wheels are pointing in the same direction, so your cornering should aim to get this happening as soon as possible.
This usually means sliding the kart round the corners, and making sure you use all the track available. A quick bang on the brake as you turn the wheel hard can help to break the back wheels traction and get the kart turning in.
It's really hard to explain this without a pen and paper. Talk to the marshalls at the track, they'll help you the most, They should be able to talk you through each corner, well worth it.
Be aggressive with the Kart, you will spin out, if you don't, you're not trying hard enough.
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Racing line is also important in track racing, in cornering you need to be on the opposite side to the apex so you can turn a little bit sooner and not as steeply.
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The advantage of watching rally stuff is that it has you on the edge of your seat as they weave around tracks and you never know what to expect.
F1 on the other hand...round and round and round. Its like nazcar but somebody sneezed. I'll watch both, but F1 is the more "relaxed" spectator sport for me. Rallying has me "oooing" and "awwwing" as they do something spectacular.
F1 on the other hand...round and round and round. Its like nazcar but somebody sneezed. I'll watch both, but F1 is the more "relaxed" spectator sport for me. Rallying has me "oooing" and "awwwing" as they do something spectacular.