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[Belomar]

Raven, ToA does give a lot of ROG armor for salvage and trinketing, and thus increases the money pool significantly. Perhaps not on a par with DF, but not far behind.

 

[eggy]

Just go RVR, you must be able to make about 7gold a night Ironheart.

 

[Raven]

Raven, ToA does give a lot of ROG armor for salvage and trinketing, and thus increases the money pool significantly. Perhaps not on a par with DF, but not far behind.

thats true, but its not a steady flow like seals are, DF is like a mine if you are effective in there you can make an absolute fortune.

 

[Belomar]

So, what are the money sinks in the game then? Buying back con, repairing weapons, buying materials for crafting... Hmm. People deleting or quitting with a lot of money on them.

 

[Red HATred]

Marchegiani's post might be valid, but it still misses Ironheart's point (I think). The interesting observation to make is, in my opinion, that the only real sources of income in this game are gold and loot drops from mobs (and lately, gold from RvR kills). In that sense, ToA scrolls and artifacts have zero intrinsic value (well, I guess you can salvage a non-jewelry artifact). I would still claim that scroll farming and not gold farming is the most lucrative business for a casual player (actually, most of the time you can do both). "Powergamers", who do have the time to RvR and PvE a lot (i.e. get lots of money drops) and salvage/trinket, are the ones that increase the total gold pool in the game, and will then use their fortune to acquire things they need. Selling scrolls is a good way to redistribute all this money.

exactly, thx for understanding

i don't expect marc to understand, he just bumped his head to often into his adversairies one while playing sissy rugby. Kills his braincells


loot , gold : cash
drops: sell >>>cash redistribution
scrolls: sell >>> cash redistribution
seals: sell >>> work >>trinket, salvage>>> gold.

 

[Red HATred]

Just go RVR, you must be able to make about 7gold a night Ironheart.

tbh , i find you and marc really sad basterds...
your avatar???

you really enjoye making fun off other ppl.... don't you?
you do realize there is a deeper mental cause for that? Don't you?

 

[Raven]

you really enjoye making fun off other ppl.... don't you?
you do realize there is a deeper mental cause for that? Don't you?

lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/

 

[Red HATred]

lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/

sorry to say so, but what i see is a person, that kinda looked to be sitting in a wheel chair.. dunno, just at first glance...

first he used links to a retarded school, then he uses some other crap... then this third call seemed like the same way off offending a NON perfect looking (in his oppinion) person. Not knowing who that person is or what he does... i just can judge by the observation.

 

[Redflower]

So, what are the money sinks in the game then? Buying back con, repairing weapons, buying materials for crafting... Hmm. People deleting or quitting with a lot of money on them.

Crafting MPs burns a lot of cash imo. 2% chance for MP leaves 98% for qualities 94-99%, about 16% chance for any of those. On average, 80% of all crafted items are sold back to the NPC, losing about a quarter of the cash required for the materials to make that item.

 

[Marc]

you know marc, you become more and more like the twats you despise every day, maybe realm rank does lower IQ afterall.

Anyway, it happened in Mid when they had DF all the time, prices went through the roof because there was so much extra raw money being put into the ecomomy, from seal farmers, nothing anyone can really do about it except find their way of making money, to buy the expensive items.

err raven, fuck off yeah. My point is 100% valid. RR doesnt come into it. If people cant be arsed farming cash it aint my problem. If you happen to look at the amount of high priced stuff on CMs, 99% of it is ownd by PvE players, as people who like RvR see PvE as a "means to an end", already have all their artifacts and dont need cash, so that kinda pisses on your bonfire doesnt it?

 

[Marc]

tbh , i find you and marc really sad basterds...
your avatar???

you really enjoye making fun off other ppl.... don't you?
you do realize there is a deeper mental cause for that? Don't you?

yeh i know

 

[Red HATred]

Crafting MPs burns a lot of cash imo. 2% chance for MP leaves 98% for qualities 94-99%, about 16% chance for any of those. On average, 80% of all crafted items are sold back to the NPC, losing about a quarter of the cash required for the materials to make that item.

true, crafting costs a lot off cash. if you buy and click

There is one alternatif to do it cheap , i've done that on my armour crafter who is 900+ atm that is ...

to salvage while levelling, gather salvaged goods, then use them to skill while levelling the character... this is however a time consuming way off doing things... but a cheaper way off getting to the Legendairy cap.
At legendairy level the crafting can become cheaper also, all my masterpieces i sell (can be stupid to tell so) are constructed in the same way as when levelling..
Non 99 qua (most) salvagable goods end up in raw materials, i stock em and when i have a vast ammount i just recraft them into good.. sell non Mp to merchant and Mp on CM.

but most ppl do level sitting next to a merchant and buy stuff, click and level... true, quiet logcal and easier/fater to do so.. this is indeed a huge cash drainer;

 

[Jaem-]

Joined Vf on his light eld one night, I made around 400g in around 2 hr in just cash alone from killing mobs, salavageable items dropped, meaning arc bars to hinge for alot more, also a few scrolls dropped, so thats gona be a few plat easily made, just killing mobs basicaly on his own.

It all amounts up in the end, lucky with more scrolls I'm sure if he were lucky with more scroll drops he'd have made 10p or more in a few hours, it wasn't exactly speedy kills either.

I whined alot about having no cash, but then I realised I needed to get off my arse and actualy go out there and actualy farm! in RvR and PvE to get anywhere, whining about isntead of doing doesn't get you anywhere.

PS. If things are overpriced, its excellent for you, just check ME, see the prices, and sell abit cheaper, and you've made a sure sell.

 

[Red HATred]

err raven, fuck off yeah. My point is 100% valid. RR doesnt come into it. If people cant be arsed farming cash it aint my problem. If you happen to look at the amount of high priced stuff on CMs, 99% of it is ownd by PvE players, as people who like RvR see PvE as a "means to an end", already have all their artifacts and dont need cash, so that kinda pisses on your bonfire doesnt it?

marc it is not about ppl that can't be arsed to farm cash, what you must understand that farming cash is :

selling LOOT and picking up the gold..
all other ways off getting cash are drainers and redistributors...

and doing that... i want to see you sit on a spot for 4 hours killing yellow cons, doing just that.. will give you a SMALL ammount off cash.
(yellow cons , because you HAVE to keep in mind that you HAVE to look from the point that you are a Character (solo), unbuffed killing a target that is easy enough to kill rapidly, ALL OTHER FORMS ARE CONSTRUCTED WAYS not designed ways)

It is not other ppl that can't be arsed to farm cash, it is those overprices seller that can't be arse to farm cash.
They want it easy without sweat...exploiting the "working" class (if you can call it that way.

so they are wrong and we are correct ;-)


ps : a lot comes to this: beeing in a priveledged position make you blind for the unfortunate positions

 

[Marc]

marc it is not about ppl that can't be arsed to farm cash, what you must understand that farming cash is :

selling LOOT and picking up the gold..
all other ways off getting cash are drainers and redistributors...

and doing that... i want to see you sit on a spot for 4 hours killing yellow cons, doing just that.. will give you a SMALL ammount off cash.
(yellow cons , because you HAVE to keep in mind that you HAVE to look from the point that you are a Character (solo), unbuffed killing a target that is easy enough to kill rapidly)

It is not other ppl that can't be arsed to farm cash, it is those overprices seller that can't be arse to farm cash.
They want it easy without sweat...exploiting the "working" class (if you can call it that way.

so they are wrong and we are correct ;-)

TBH, RvR is the best way to get actual cash into the sytem, and by your logic, a small percentage of the people must have all the cash and the majority have hardly anything. The fact is, there is an obcene amount of cash around albion. Whan i talk about farming cash, im talking about farming items to sell, sorry if i misunderstood your point. Even df is no longer a viable option, as you can make much more money (by selling items) by farming other things. The albion economy will never ever crash as there is too much monry to be made from RvR. One week, purely from RvRing 3-4 hours a night, i made best part of 8p. Times that by 8 group members, there is 64p back into the economy, just from one RvR group. Times that by 4 weeks, and you have a possibilty of 256p into the economy. That is why prices are so high.

 

[Red HATred]

TBH, RvR is the best way to get actual cash into the sytem, and by your logic, a small percentage of the people must have all the cash and the majority have hardly anything. The fact is, there is an obcene amount of cash around albion. Whan i talk about farming cash, im talking about farming items to sell, sorry if i misunderstood your point. Even df is no longer a viable option, as you can make much more money (by selling items) by farming other things. The albion economy will never ever crash as there is too much monry to be made from RvR. One week, purely from RvRing 3-4 hours a night, i made best part of 8p. Times that by 8 group members, there is 64p back into the economy, just from one RvR group. Times that by 4 weeks, and you have a possibilty of 256p into the economy. That is why prices are so high.

i can follow your reasoning


you farm drops to sell and gather cash

where does that cash come from...?

from players that are farming GOLD and LOOT to pay for those drops...(trinketters for hard-core players)


you see, there is always someone who is doig the (what most find)boring work...

i don't whine because i haven't got the cash, i'm running around with an average off 60-70p distributed in gold earned from both ways... but i know a lot of Single account using ppl that have to do it the HARD way...
killing stuff, gathering the rubbish, running to merchants to empty baggs and back... those ppl are soooo unhappy if they see the prices of those nice...gorgeous looking skinns off arties and the like..


8p from rvr-ing n a week? what do you kill for doing that?
i'm curious

 

[Marc]

Just seen your edit. Im not in a priviliged position. I just know that If i need an item for my temp i can either get it off eggy (joke) or farm it/farm the cash for it. I am currently redoing my paladin temp and need 2 items, Malice tank belt, and band of shadow. Have farmed the BoS mob 16 times and it hasnt dropped so im going to buy it. Combine cost of probably 35p. I started farming cash 2 weeks ago. I had 10p to start with so needed 25p. I havent RvRd as much in the past 2 weeks, and only play at nights and a bit at weekends. I now need about 5p to get the full 35p. Its that easy to get the money. Im sorry if i went off my head a bit, but it just winds me up when people complain that items are overpriced. Its normally those who just cba to put the effort in and want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I mean, do a dragon raid. It can be done with a fg. 25 stones worth at the very minimum 6p each = potentially 150p in you and your mates Sky Rockets.

 

[Marc]

i can follow your reasoning


you farm drops to sell and gather cash

where does that cash come from...?

from players that are farming GOLD and LOOT to pay for those drops...(trinketters for hard-core players)


you see, there is always someone who is doig the (what most find)boring work...

i don't whine because i haven't got the cash, i'm running around with an average off 60-70p distributed in gold earned from both ways... but i know a lot of Single account using ppl that have to do it the HARD way...
killing stuff, gathering the rubbish, running to merchants to empty baggs and back... those ppl are soooo unhappy if they see the prices of those nice...gorgeous looking skinns off arties and the like..


8p from rvr-ing n a week? what do you kill for doing that?
i'm curious

it was a week when i farmed best part of 300k rps. Might not of been 8p was defo over 6p anyway.

These single players dont have to do it the hard the way. If they feel the only way to farm cash is by killing solo yellow mobs then lol. If you are in that position, where you feel you cant farm cash, then the best way is to find like minded people, set up a farming group. If you take a couple of weeks out, putting your time and energies into farming items, you will make much more money. Its not upto them to put the actual cash into the economy, tbh, they should be the ones reaping the rewards.

 

[Red HATred]

Just seen your edit. Im not in a priviliged position. I just know that If i need an item for my temp i can either get it off eggy (joke) or farm it/farm the cash for it. I am currently redoing my paladin temp and need 2 items, Malice tank belt, and band of shadow. Have farmed the BoS mob 16 times and it hasnt dropped so im going to buy it. Combine cost of probably 35p. I started farming cash 2 weeks ago. I had 10p to start with so needed 25p. I havent RvRd as much in the past 2 weeks, and only play at nights and a bit at weekends. I now need about 5p to get the full 35p. Its that easy to get the money. Im sorry if i went off my head a bit, but it just winds me up when people complain that items are overpriced. Its normally those who just cba to put the effort in and want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I mean, do a dragon raid. It can be done with a fg. 25 stones worth at the very minimum 6p each = potentially 150p in you and your mates Sky Rockets.

imagine you are a single scout

try and find a group to go farm cash (not talking dropetc.. pure gold)
try to solo yellow cons, unbuffed, as a natural character.

look at the ammount you earn in you on-line time. It is not because those can't be arse, it is just because they haven't got the oppertunity nor does the game let you earn vast ammounts in a normal way as well .


(as i heard , it seems that rvr became a little bit more profitable. could be.. haven't noticed it yet myselfe, i die to often to gather the fruit)
(ps:no offence taken in seeing you go through the roof /grinns )

 

[eggy]

It works out about 26 copper per realm point in RVR, so your 300k rps would have made about 7.8plat, probably about right.

imagine you are a single scout

try and find a group to go farm cash (not talking dropetc.. pure gold)
try to solo yellow cons, unbuffed, as a natural character.

look at the ammount you earn in you on-line time. It is not because those can't be arse, it is just because they haven't got the oppertunity nor does the game let you earn vast ammounts in a normal way as well .

(ps:no offence taken in seeing you go through the roof /grinns )

You have other chars. Join groups, farm. Or make friends!

 

[Jaem-]

imagine you are a single scout

try and find a group to go farm cash (not talking dropetc.. pure gold)
try to solo yellow cons, unbuffed, as a natural character.

look at the ammount you earn in you on-line time. It is not because those can't be arse, it is just because they haven't got the oppertunity nor does the game let you earn vast ammounts in a normal way as well .

(ps:no offence taken in seeing you go through the roof /grinns )

Spec some melee then... can kill orange unbuffed with melee alone, throw in some MoB, MoP, FE, passives etc and you'll be fine at PvE as a scout.

Beg for some buffs, and you can do red or so with ease tbh, weaker version of an Armsman.

 

[Red HATred]

It works out about 26 copper per realm point in RVR, so your 300k rps would have made about 7.8plat, probably about right.

300k rps...; pffffew... that is a lot for me. a lot of play time

 

[Red HATred]

Spec some melee then... can kill orange unbuffed with melee alone, throw in some MoB, MoP, passives etc and you'll be fine at PvE as a scout.

what would the differnce be in coins a kill? 50 cp?

 

[Marc]

imagine you are a single scout

try and find a group to go farm cash (not talking dropetc.. pure gold)
try to solo yellow cons, unbuffed, as a natural character.

look at the ammount you earn in you on-line time. It is not because those can't be arse, it is just because they haven't got the oppertunity nor does the game let you earn vast ammounts in a normal way as well .


(as i heard , it seems that rvr became a little bit more profitable. could be.. haven't noticed it yet myselfe, i die to often to gather the fruit)
(ps:no offence taken in seeing you go through the roof /grinns )

I cant imagine there any people on excal whos only main is a scout. If there is, then YOU set up the group as group leader. Alternatively, level a paladin to 50 or a cleric. Purely for farming

 

[Jaem-]

what would the differnce be in coins a kill? 50 cp?

You were saying you can't kill much more then yellow con, I was giving advise.

Higher mobs, usualy give more money, if you can kill higher cons, usualy means you can kill yellows even quicker.

 

[Red HATred]

It works out about 26 copper per realm point in RVR, so your 300k rps would have made about 7.8plat, probably about right.



You have other chars. Join groups, farm. Or make friends!

eggster...

your point is correct...
but..

that is not the game basics.. you are correct.. grouping and buffing and doing other stuff makes it faster..

the basics are: you are alone

 

[eggy]

ALL OTHER FORMS ARE CONSTRUCTED WAYS not designed ways

It is not other ppl that can't be arsed to farm cash, it is those overprices seller that can't be arse to farm cash.
They want it easy without sweat...exploiting the "working" class (if you can call it that way.

lol farming scrolls and items and selling is common economical sense (Marc will tell you that, he's an accountant), it's not an exploit.

And my avatar is a character from a UK comedy show,

then this third call seemed like the same way off offending a NON perfect looking (in his oppinion) person.

When did I ever say my avatar was a "non perfect looking person". You aren't British so you won't understand the humour.

 

[eggy]

eggster...

your point is correct...
but..

that is not the game basics.. you are correct.. grouping and buffing and doing other stuff makes it faster..

the basics are: you are alone

What?

What are you on about? Grouping and buffing makes "it" faster? What, earning RPs and gold from kills? Well duh.

 

[Red HATred]

You were saying you can't kill much more then yellow con, I was giving advise.

i know , no offence taken, sai..
your point beeing that you already use an EVOLVED version off farming.. the evolved character will do things a bit better and faster, true.

you ding 50, rr 0 , and start your template.. (lose from the cash gathered while levelling) that is the starting point i take into consideration.

(yeah, i can do orange cons )

 

[Red HATred]

What?

What are you on about? Grouping and buffing makes "it" faster? What, earning RPs and gold from kills? Well duh.

farming, eggy, farming, kiling, level off targets you kill etc...



but back to topic.. ben nice to long