Goodbye Awimp =/

[Dimse Dut]

Today Awimp/Ogric/Silverstaff left albion. He deleted his chars and is no more.
He left beccause some people took the verbal abuse over a single mistake to new horizons.


I was Proud to be his Guildmaster and Uranicus and I has lost a friend but gained an Challenging enemy. He has moved to Hib.

I hope you hibs treat him better than we Albs did.


*sobs and has to eat a few cookies to stop crying on her keyboard*

Dimse Dut

 

[Glerina]

Well played albs
I could maybe understand it if he'd done any harm but there wasn't even a single person who missed the step because of him...

And even if he'd have ****ed the raid up there would've been no reason to insult him in such a way.
In my opinion there is a reason why you can be sued for behaving abusive towards other in real life...just shows how mature you are

P.S.: And the mature-thing is coming from me, so it's really something to worry about...

 

[Vesania]

Silver left Alb? Ack...nice guy.

 

[cHodAX]

Personally I asked for him to be kicked from the raid as the mistake was appaulling considering considering the amount of times that /s and /bu was spammed with 'DON'T TALK TO THE BOSS'. However the backlash that Ogric recieved was a bit much, he deserved to be kicked but things certainly got out of hand sadly. I personally pm'ed him to apologise and ask him to reconsider deleting but I was ignored, I am sad that it has come to this. I wasn't aware to Ogric was Awimp who I have always know as a nice fella, I lost my temper and asked for him to be kicked and for that I am sorry. In truth he did deserve to be kicked but anyone can make a mistake and I am as guilty as anyone for being impatient when people make mistakes.

Awimp, if you read this then please reconsider leaving the game. I know you feel hard done by and I will admit that to a certain degree you were treated badly. You apologised and to be honest that should have been the end of it, quite a few of us owe you an apology for over-reacting. Don't leave the game because a few people lost thier heads, you have worked to long and hard to give up because of tonights events.

Again, Awimp please reconsider.

 

[cHodAX]

...

And even if he'd have ****ed the raid up there would've been no reason to insult him in such a way.

To be honest the truth is that he paid the price for the dozens of people that totally ignored the /bu all night long, not fair at all I know. Many people on the raid were becoming increasingly annoyed at the lack of care and attention paid. Now Ogric's lack of attention didn't mess up the encounter but to be honest that didn't become clear until after he had left the /bg but that is beside the point, he deserved to be kicked for for not following EXPLICT orders however he certainly didn't deserve any abuse. People are people and sometimes anger gets the better of them, that isn't an excuse but it is a sad fact.

 

[Edgar Frog]

Some would argue that the abuse he received by, what some would say are overzealous step-monkeys, was totally over the top, but some may argue back that indeed his movement towards Hibernia where the grass is supposedly greener is also over the top considering most web communities have their bullies and emotional screamers. He may not be escaping from anything.

 

[Dimse Dut]

Personally I asked for him to be kicked from the raid as the mistake was appaulling considering considering the amount of times that /s and /bu was spammed with 'DON'T TALK TO THE BOSS'. However the backlash that Ogric recieved was a bit much, he deserved to be kicked but things certainly got out of hand sadly. I personally pm'ed him to apologise and ask him to reconsider deleting but I was ignored, I am sad that it has come to this. I wasn't aware to Ogric was Awimp who I have always know as a nice fella, I lost my temper and asked for him to be kicked and for that I am sorry. In truth he did deserve to be kicked but anyone can make a mistake and I am as guilty as anyone for being impatient when people make mistakes.

Awimp, if you read this then please reconsider leaving the game. I know you feel hard done by and I will admit that to a certain degree you were treated badly. You apologised and to be honest that should have been the end of it, quite a few of us owe you an apology for over-reacting. Don't leave the game because a few people lost thier heads, you have worked to long and hard to give up because of tonights events.

Again, Awimp please reconsider.

Part of me wants to hug you for this post because it takes a big person to admit a wrong of this kind and then there is the other part of me that wants to you til Awimp reapears back in albion. *sigh* im sorry that I cant be as big a person as you atm but Im to mad at people who the lack of patience for the human factor in this game.


Dimse Dut

 

[Morchaoron]

It will forever remain beyond me how people can surrender so simply instead of standing their ground, show some backbone ffs uke:

 

[cHodAX]

Part of me wants to hug you for this post because it takes a big person to admit a wrong of this kind and then there is the other part of me that wants to you til Awimp reapears back in albion. *sigh* im sorry that I cant be as big a person as you atm but Im to mad at people who the lack of patience for the human factor in this game.


Dimse Dut

I was angry but I didn't go over the top so I doubt my reaction was what really upset him so no whacking the poor old avalonian over the head with a stick please

 

[Vorkanz]

no cookies for u either! :<

Hope u read this guys, was good to be guilded with ya. Shame u leave and wasnt online to say cya. So gl in wotever realm u choose.

p.s make a tank

 

[Shike]

Hib is a nicer place anyhow, lot more friendly in general

 

[Cybwyn]

It will forever remain beyond me how people can surrender so simply instead of standing their ground, show some backbone ffs uke:

And it will forever remain beyond me how seriously some people will take a game. Sure, the guy could have (note could have) messed the raid up but the fact remains that he made a mistake on a mob which is known to have a repop timer of less than 5 minutes.

To receive such disgraceful abuse as 'FUCKING C**T', 'you FUCKER' and probably numerous other PMs to the same effect isn't really warranted.

 

[Jobil]

Ogric messed up, no doubt about it, ignoring at least 6-7 spam in CAPS about not talking to the boss is a feck-up no matter how me tosh and turn it.
I for one got very angry when it happened and told him, in a not so friendly way in /bg, to get lost. I have no regrets doing that as it was warrented at the time.
However, when Icingdeath pm'd telling me, he was deleting I tried to PM him, but no answer. Then I turned to Dimse to tell him what happened, but Dimse couldn't get him to budge, sadly.
I never knew Awimp personally but I remember my first scout seeing him as an icon and that he's leaving over a simple mistake is bad bad bad.
So Ogric, if you read this, yes you got some abuse in /bg, don't know about /send but I imagine that as well. You had 90+ albs there, that for a second thought they'd lost the entire step and the pre-req items, which is why I think ppl took it so badly.
Reconsider please, if you had no prior intentions of going to Hib anyways, as I'm sure it was all said in a shortlived fit of rage.
We've have all fecked up at some point, it's no biggie, we all know the abuse you can get for fecking something "crucial" up from fellow albs, but the same albs always turn nice and fluffy again (those that don't, well who cares about them really?)

 

[Mybuddies]

It's a game. Period.

He paid his cash for his game, made a mistake and ended up with the kind of abuse that would land you in court if you did it in real life.

Shame on you.



And you will probably still think you had every right to do it.

 

[Escape]

Nothing more annoying than someone who ignores the /bg and interacts with a mob, they've been told several times not to. It's better if afk'ers stay afk and mess up their own evening, instead of potentially wasting hours of the 80+ other people on the raid.

Antioos isn't such a big issue though, if you lose your items you can wait for her re-spawn(which is pretty quick), talk to her and kill her. But it's no excuse for someone to go ahead and ignore what the BG leader has been saying. Personally, I think some flaming is justified because anyone who's not paying attention has asked for it... but not to the extent that the person deletes his characters!

I wasn't there though, so haven't seen how bad it was. But imo, Awimp should accept his mistake and take it like a man with big cojones! Don't over-react by joining the girly-men and vegetarians on hibernia

 

[Khendon]

Does make me laugh people who think they are "justified" in giving people verbal abuse when they mess something up, and at the end of the day he didnt really mess up because you all still got your encounter.

We are not talking about flaming, we are talking about abuse, nothing you can possibly do in a game can warrant that kind of thing being said to you, shouted over a BG and god knows what else in private. Its intolerable, you wouldnt put up with it in real life and you shouldnt have to put up with it in a game.

Awimp has been around for donkeys, a fixture in Albion, a very nice guy and an active participant in the realm. Its a shame he has gone, but then if you are gonna get treated like that for one simple human error, then i have to say i would as well. And don't kid yourselves, it does not happen everywhere, its not inevitable when u mess up, and quite frankly its all very nice sitting behind your PC hurling vile language at someone, but would those same people have the balls to do that to someone IRL for a simple error? i think not.

Awimp mate, sad to see you go, wish you the best of luck in Hib.

- Calasain 46 Friar

-Khendon 50 merc </sold >

 

[Morchaoron]

And it will forever remain beyond me how seriously some people will take a game. Sure, the guy could have (note could have) messed the raid up but the fact remains that he made a mistake on a mob which is known to have a repop timer of less than 5 minutes.

To receive such disgraceful abuse as 'FUCKING C**T', 'you FUCKER' and probably numerous other PMs to the same effect isn't really warranted.

not really no, but whats worse is using that as a reason to delete all your chars and go away, reminds me of a certain arse leaving his guild because someone called him a 'whiner' over the alliance channel uke:

I know they probably have been harsh and overreacted, but i have 0 pity for those who lack the ability to absorb VERBAL abuse, you shouldnt be even playing online games then...

and no im not saying its ok to abuse someone in such a way, but what i am saying is that you shouldnt curl up and crawl away so easily just because some people have blown their fuse...

 

[atos]

Nice realm alb imo, I finaly realise why its overpopulated. 80% of the jackasses glued together. Something like this is doomed to happen once in awhile. He id the right thing to swap realm imo. :kissit:

And not too sure if hib is a nice place with old people like Shike around

/giggle

 

[Ezteq]

Awimp didnt really know you but always saw you about and im sorry you feel you'd rather leave realm than be with these people again. we all make mistakes (i made some whoppers in my time) and the thing is ITS A GAME no one suddenly keeled over their key board at home and died irl because of it, they might have been pissed but big sodding deal no one should get abuse like that from what ive heard it was pretty appauling for one thing you never know who your talking to so you might think your having a pop at an adult when really your calling some little kid some serious bad words takes a big person to call someone names they dont even know. i understand that things get said in the heat of the moment but really it takes more time to type em out than to yell them so spontanious swearing isnt an excuse in game.

hope you like hib bud and get treated better over there

 

[Shike]

ancient Atos, ancient... not old

and trust me, hibernia is friendlier and nicer overall been there, done that etc.. read the book and watched the movie, used the lawnmover and drove the car so I know it is!

 

[Dimse Dut]

i have 0 pity for those who lack the ability to absorb VERBAL abuse, you shouldnt be even playing online games then...

and no im not saying its ok to abuse someone in such a way, but what i am saying is that you shouldnt curl up and crawl away so easily just because some people have blown their fuse...

This isnt a player who just started the realm this is someone who has played the game since beta. if you have played Doac for so long your not going to crawl away just because someone says Booh.

Dont confusse Awimp with a little green hot head. He is a Mature older Guy, and very levelheaded.
When I started this thread I wasnt fishing for Pity but wanted to alert people to what has been slowly buildy over some time. The lack of respect for your fellow players. Respect that by default prevents you from calling someone a *insert random offensive word here*.

The general idea of "Its ok to verbally rip someone to pieces because hey they cant hit back" is gaining to much access to our gaming enviroment. Awimps leaving is one of the many warning signals that should make us stop and consider if this is the type future we have in mind for Albion.

Mythic/GoA might provide the Engine but we provide the Spirit.


Dimse Dut

 

[Osprey]

Awimp ....ponders the same Awimp that helped me so much when I started playing DaoC ....SHAME on u all

thnxs for ure help and good luck in wot ever u do

there loss ure gain m8

retired due to TOA mucking game up for me

 

[Simba]

I think that was a bad movement to delete chars becase of a stupid ml raid.
On ML raids peoples deserves to suck thx to mythic, all ml raids are pain in the arse, if i could have any chance i do all my ml raids with stick/afk with lots of mp3. So i don't think its a really big problem if someone is not watchig a cg/bg /any kind of chat after 2,5 hour of massive sucking. I say you better write to rightnow/goa or whatever to restore your chars before its too late, and if you still want to play on hib, then get a new acc. Think on how hard to level a char from level1 to 50, and you have to do ml raids again, even ml3 raid too
Noone lost anything by that little incident, so noone should anger against you. I think there will be plenty ml raids to finish with your favorite chars.

And what i see from these posts i think your guildes and many good players will miss you.

And for those who are doing ml3 for its 23th alt, and they can't forgive
things like this, they should go for PvE server, where they can kill mobs all day with better and more interesting ways and Do ml raids all time.
(I wish there were any pve server for these pimps)

 

[Jace]

not really no, but whats worse is using that as a reason to delete all your chars and go away, reminds me of a certain arse leaving his guild because someone called him a 'whiner' over the alliance channel uke:

I know they probably have been harsh and overreacted, but i have 0 pity for those who lack the ability to absorb VERBAL abuse, you shouldnt be even playing online games then...

and no im not saying its ok to abuse someone in such a way, but what i am saying is that you shouldnt curl up and crawl away so easily just because some people have blown their fuse...

Everyone is different and some people are more easily upset / hurt than others. Saying you have 0 pity is extremely charitable of you and then saying they shouldnt even be playing online games is, quite frankly, the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in ages.

Makes me sad tbh. So what if you wouldn't have reacted the same way. Learn some sodding compasion ffs :/

 

[Morchaoron]

and then saying they shouldnt even be playing online games is, quite frankly, the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in ages.

oh really? did you ever play any other game then daoc?

in about any game you'll always encounter morons who cant stand they lose vs a team on a public server and tell you that "your corpse should be grinded up and use to fertilize my garden so at least you would be of some use, so stop wasting our oxygen and die" etc, would you leave the server for such cries from a bunch of wankers?

or go play a random pvp mmorpg, people giving you laughable relegious and racial insults are their methods of cooling themselves off...

all in all its nothing more then a bunch of pixels on your screen caused by frustrated people, but if you are really sensitive to that kind of crap you might be better off reading a book in your sunny backyard instead of playing games where people might possibly call you a ****, and once again: im not saying this is normal BUT it happens and you cant do much about it...

and I know where I draw my line for compassion, but this is simply ridiculous...

and what if a few hib-kids get pissed at him? he's changing realm again?
(bad behaviour is not realm-bound... for those nutcases who think it is)

 

[Jace]

oh really? did you ever play any other game then daoc?

in about any game you'll always encounter morons who cant stand they lose vs a team on a public server and tell you that "your corpse should be grinded up and use to fertilize my garden so at least you would be of some use, so stop wasting our oxygen and die" etc, would you leave the server for such cries from a bunch of wankers?

or go play a random pvp mmorpg, people giving you laughable relegious and racial insults are their methods of cooling themselves off...

all in all its nothing more then a bunch of pixels on your screen caused by frustrated people, but if you are really sensitive to that kind of crap you might be better off reading a book in your sunny backyard instead of playing games where people might possibly call you a ****, and once again: im not saying this is normal BUT it happens and you cant do much about it...

and I know where I draw my line for compassion, but this is simply ridiculous...

and what if a few hib-kids get pissed at him? he's changing realm again?
(bad behaviour is not realm-bound... for those nutcases who think it is)

The better question is have you ever played any online game that wasn’t fps/pvp?

I have no idea what my online gaming history has to do with anything but rest assured it’s long and extremely comprehensive, spanning 9+ years and covering numerous genres and title. In fact a large part of my work history is linked to online gaming but that has nothing to do with this.

I’m fully aware of the abusive behavior some people are capable off in online games but I was not commenting or disputing that.

I was commenting on the fact that you feel that people who can’t absorb verbal abuse shouldn’t play online games. This is imo utter rubbish and pretty much assumes online gaming = fps/pvp games. There are many different genres playable online and many that involve not even a fraction of the abuse and player targeted aggression that pvp/fps games generate. Yes it might be wise for the truly sensitive person to avoid certain games/genres but to say they shouldn’t be gaming online at all? I think not.

And yes I would likely leave a game server where someone was being abusive, in fact I do regularly. I play to have fun and not to put up with the adolescent whinings of some pubeless virgin intent of venting his numerous frustrations.

 

[Xeanor]

Jace, people who can't take verbal abuse over the internet, shouldn't play games where it happens.

Morchaoron has even played the first MMORPG (i played together with him), Ultima Online, and you don't wanna know the amount of abuse there was... Awimp would quit after 15 minutes of playing if he reacted the same there. The abuse and verbal aggression is decreasing, but it's still present in online games. (btw, Morch even does a education for Game Design.)

It's just that ML raids can already be frustrating, and then there's 1 person who's about to screw over everyone by just being a complete dumbass, that's what winds people up.

 

[Straef]

It is a load of bullshit that abusing etc is normal in online games, that's what people get banned/kicked over etc, and yes I have played other online games -.-
Meet plenty of idiots in all the online games, as do you in real life, hard to avoid em, but it's usually the oponents that're whining.
In daoc mids/hibs are supposedly our oponents, and albion is meant to be a 'team' or at least not supposed to abuse eachother till someone gets fed up and leaves.
Also half the people abusing others on raids etc are just idiots asking for attention following others around :touch:
N last theres imo 2 groups of players, the people that actually play for fun, make online contacts, chat etc, and the people just playing for the game, killing stuff, abusing people and usually disrespecting pretty mutch anyone as long as they're not guilidies or people that might be of use.

 

[Xeanor]

It is a load of bullshit that abusing etc is normal in online games, that's what people get banned/kicked over etc, and yes I have played other online games -.-

Yes you get banned/kicked, no it's not a load of bullshit, because it still happens. Which makes it quite "normal" that it happens.

Anyway, like i said, someone nearly screwed over other people's work, that's why they get pissed. Imagine you being busy for hours with something and a dumbass comes up and just screws over it - if someone does that to me IRL I'd break his bones. This is a game, I don't care that much about it to react like that in game, but some others seem to do.

 

[cHodAX]

It is as simple as this, if you are prepared to let someone else do all the hard work of organising and running of an event then the respectful thing to do is actually listen to the /bg or /s. That is what this all comes down to, respect. About a dozen people on that ML3 raid were either /afk playing or not reading /bg. That shows a lack of respect for the leaders hardwork and the work of those people who attended and paid attention. Yes of course anyone can make a mistake but when you have had 4 warnings on /bu and 2 warnings on /yell to not talk to the mob then you had damn well better have a good reason for making that mistake.

Abusing people is a whole other ballgame, the problem is where do you draw the line between strongly telling someone off or losing your temper and saying things in the heat of the moment. The truth is that humans lose thier temper over all manner of silly things, they often say things in the heat of the moment that they wish they could take back. MMORPG's are not a place for the sensitive, you have to be prepared for some stick if you fuck up. That is not to say that harrasment and extreme verbal abuse is in anyway acceptable but I as have just pointed out, people say things in the heat of the moment that they really wish they hadn't said with hindsight.

No one is perfect, shit happens and sometimes you just have to suffer the consequences, accept it and move on.

What bugs me most is that Awimp ignored my /send, I genuinely wanted to apologise for all the abuse he recieved. He deserved to be kicked but the abuse wasn't fair, end of story.