GOA will host WAR in the EU

[Gamah]

Totally off topic...

But you sound like the kind of player who is going to be very dissapointed with the way W.A.R. plays.

"PvPers" and the "8v8" giulds, are going to HATE W.A.R. tbh

This game... even more so than DAOC, is going to be about RVR,

Not soloing,
Not 8v8

Pure, unadulterated... ARMIES... yep... ZERGS!

<chuckle>

RVR... Bring it on!

Oh exactly like daoc was supposed to be you mean? Sub-cultures always delevop, and even if it is zerg v zerg the better players will still preveil.

 

[Syri]

Well, I will never forget when prydwen was down for ages, and alllllllottt of people ahd to w8 over 3till 6 months to get a character recoverd..

And we got nothing for in return.

Goa has seemed to fixed the lagg etc.

I will play europe, and there's only >1< reason for that: the time difference with US.. i want to play on the main hours.. and not on a allmost empty at night server.

Too bad goa hosts war..
Well I guess if they gooing to fuck this one up to, requil can sell his helicopter aswel

time zone isn't really much of a problem tbh, east coast usa is only 5 hours behind, most major raids are at weekends, so a lot take place in daytime on usa time, which is early evening here. Not to mention that there's more than a few eu players who are planning to get the usa version. If you get on a server with a healthy eu population, you're set, especially as there will likely be at least 1 guild or alliance that's eu orientated.
Just need to look at classic server on usa when it launched, a lot of people went over there from eu, and it was quite busy even early evening here. Only really died off a bit because people already had characters with goa, and went back to them when goa had their own classic server too. Still get a decent population on Gareth in euro times though, comparible to glast at least.

 

[Kuhan]

Well, I will never forget when prydwen was down for ages, and alllllllottt of people ahd to w8 over 3till 6 months to get a character recoverd..

And we got nothing for in return.

Goa has seemed to fixed the lagg etc.

I will play europe, and there's only >1< reason for that: the time difference with US.. i want to play on the main hours.. and not on a allmost empty at night server.

Too bad goa hosts war..
Well I guess if they gooing to fuck this one up to, requil can sell his helicopter aswel

When a game comes out the population of the servers will be max if they advertise so playing at prime time or not dosent matter

 

[Cadiva]

Aha, so when someone states something you can not answer you regard it as an insult?

And if you honestly believed I was trying to insult you, then I'll rephrase it for you so that you do understand.

...I personally will not give any money to a company ( GoA ) who have failed its customers in a way so that for month(s) one of their servers were UNPLAYABLE. If you chose to believe any fancy fairy tails the represtants of their company tells you, then sure do that.


If someone says "I will not hit you again" after the 7th time they hited you...would you believe it?

However, that wasn't the issue you were replying to in Whisperess' post, you were commenting on WAR being a rip off of WoW.
She suggested you might like to spend a few minutes researching the background of WAR before making such a statement.

Her post had nothing to do with GoA so perhaps it's you failing to answer the question.

 

[Gahn]

Totally off topic...

But you sound like the kind of player who is going to be very dissapointed with the way W.A.R. plays.

"PvPers" and the "8v8" giulds, are going to HATE W.A.R. tbh

This game... even more so than DAOC, is going to be about RVR,

Not soloing,
Not 8v8

Pure, unadulterated... ARMIES... yep... ZERGS!

<chuckle>

RVR... Bring it on!

That's a good foresee since it isn't even in Beta and they clearly stated that there will be space for every kind of PvP ^^

 

[Anarawan]

sounds like things are a little more integrated this time around.

GOA despite their faults probably have a lot better chance at getting it right than joe company X (anyone remember CTO?)

I prefer mythic to come EU and run the game for us... not GOA to ruin the game for us.

 

[UndyingAngel]

Totally off topic...

But you sound like the kind of player who is going to be very dissapointed with the way W.A.R. plays.

"PvPers" and the "8v8" giulds, are going to HATE W.A.R. tbh

This game... even more so than DAOC, is going to be about RVR,

Not soloing,
Not 8v8

Pure, unadulterated... ARMIES... yep... ZERGS!

<chuckle>

RVR... Bring it on!

lol what bollox if you have read anything about the games PvP which you clearly havnt you would know there is RvR / Instance RvR for Solo. duo/trio, Full grps, and Zerg warfair. at least this is what they are claiming now, we will have to see what happens in 12 months from now,

 

[UndyingAngel]

I prefer mythic to come EU and run the game for us... not GOA to ruin the game for us.

you say this but, where would mythic put the servers ?? most proberly not in the UK because its too expansive.

 

[Ballard]

you say this but, where would mythic put the servers ?? most proberly not in the UK because its too expansive.

ofc not why would they? Probably best to put them in a god hub with a highspeed backbone like the netherlands.

 

[Nightchill]

ofc not why would they?

<points out the EVE servers are in the UK and damn fast>

 

[Azathrim]

When a game comes out the population of the servers will be max if they advertise so playing at prime time or not dosent matter

No danger of the population being max on the GoA hosted servers then.

 

[Svartmetall]

I just cant wait to farm all the nubs warhammer will attract :<

rofl

E-peen alert! E-peen alert!

 

[Gibs]

Couple of questions to Requiel or that other GOA guy:

1 - Will we have to wait until the next day to open our accounts if we screw our payment up?

2 - Will we have to wait 2 weeks for rightnow if we get stuck ingame?

3 - Will there be no customer support telephone?

4 - Will there be no ingame support ever?

5 - Will you have a working herald type webpage without excuses?

These are what will decide if i play EU or rest of world servers.

 

[Kuhan]

Couple of questions to Requiel or that other GOA guy:

1 - Will we have to wait until the next day to open our accounts if we screw our payment up?

2 - Will we have to wait 2 weeks for rightnow if we get stuck ingame?

3 - Will there be no customer support telephone?

4 - Will there be no ingame support ever?

5 - Will you have a working herald type webpage without excuses?

These are what will decide if i play EU or rest of world servers.

answer them urself

1 - Will we have to wait until the next day to open our accounts if we screw our payment up?
ofc
2 - Will we have to wait 2 weeks for rightnow if we get stuck ingame?
ofc
3 - Will there be no customer support telephone?
too much money
4 - Will there be no ingame support ever?
hassle
5 - Will you have a working herald type webpage without excuses?
no
These are what will decide if i play EU or rest of world servers.
US

 

[jokke]

NOOOooooo...... /cry
And i really looked forward to this game
Such a shame

 

[DocWolfe]

Is WAR actually going to get media coverage when released, unlike DAOC, which brought about such a poorly small player base considering what a good mmo DAOC is?

 

[Mey]

I personally think GOA will do a good job, and i applaud Req. for puting up with all the crap/hate in this thread.

 

[Svartmetall]

I personally think GOA will do a good job, and i applaud Req. for puting up with all the crap/hate in this thread.

Pointing out that GOA have been almost criminally bad at promoting DAOC is not 'hate', it's a statement of fact. Likewise pointing out just how awful Opentransit have been for so much of the time. I have a lot of time for Requiel, Zenythe and Xalin - they have between them turned GOA's customer support around from 'completely non-existent' to 'actually pretty good' - but they're not GOA's marketing department...and GOA's marketing department have been appallingly negligent from day one with regards to DAOC.

 

[Yeke]

Pleased they got it tbh I think that both GoA and mythic have learnt from daoc would much rather GoA got this licence than another company who hasn't got the experiance that GoA has gained from DAoC.

The OT issues are fair game though would have prefered it hosted elsewhere, overall I hope/think that GoA will do a much better job with WAR than DAoC and the quotes from mythic seem to suggest they are comitted too that also.

advertising like others have said the advertisment of DAoC in the UK has been a little non existent to say the least really hope that wont be the case with WAR The game wont have any problems attracting a large audience due to the following warhammer has and suspect that GW will adverise this in white dwarf (there magasine for those that dont know) in combination with this the daoc population are obviously interested also, but its always nice to attract more people

last thing its over a year away, little early to be deciding on where your playing imo.

 

[Svartmetall]

There's no reason why Warhammer shouldn't be at least as big as WoW.

With the right push.

WoW isn't big because it's a particularly good game, it's big because it's Warcraft and because it got promoted.

 

[Thorwyn]

WoW isn't big because it's a particularly good game, it's big because it's Warcraft and because it got promoted.

WoW is big because uke: Blizzard uke: was reaping the rewards for their past games.

 

[Hawkwind]

This is why I dont want GOA to host WAR in France:

Target Name: N/A
IP: 193.252.123.33
Date/Time: 07/06/2006 19:20:45

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3
4 11 ms [194.170.0.138]
5 8 ms [195.229.0.101]
6 157 ms so-2-2-1-iar1.tsd.cw.net [166.63.214.69]
7 156 ms bcr3.tsd.cw.net [195.2.1.15]
8 156 ms so-1-1-0-dcr1.tsd.cw.net [195.2.10.98]
9 293 ms so-1-0-0-zcr1.lnt.cw.net [195.2.10.125]
10 303 ms so-7-0-3-0.loncr1.London.opentransit.net [193.251.254.17]
11 312 ms po1-0.pascr3.Paris.opentransit.net [193.251.128.222]
12 830 ms po9-0.pascr1.Paris.opentransit.net [193.251.129.61]
13 877 ms wanadooportails-1.GW.opentransit.net [193.251.251.54]
14 884 ms Interco-rtbg1esite02-RTX5-122-14-30.woo [193.252.122.14]
15 831 ms [193.252.123.33]


Normally my connection from Dubai is between 180-240 mS not bad considering the distance and amount of hops. But every time it goes bad like above its Opentransit. Right now DAOC is unplayable - constant Red Lag. ping is between 800-1100 mS

500 mS from London to Paris in Opentransit is complete bolx. they are not fit to run a website let alone a game like WAR. I will be taking my business to the US side.

 

[Puppet]

Normally my connection from Dubai is between 180-240 mS not bad considering the distance and amount of hops. But every time it goes bad like above its Opentransit. Right now DAOC is unplayable - constant Red Lag. ping is between 800-1100 mS

500 mS from London to Paris in Opentransit is complete bolx. they are not fit to run a website let alone a game like WAR. I will be taking my business to the US side.

I can ping the listed IP (193.252.123.33) with 30 ms. from Holland. What do u get on ping'ing it ?

 

[Darzil]

Normally my connection from Dubai is between 180-240 mS not bad considering the distance and amount of hops. But every time it goes bad like above its Opentransit. Right now DAOC is unplayable - constant Red Lag. ping is between 800-1100 mS

500 mS from London to Paris in Opentransit is complete bolx. they are not fit to run a website let alone a game like WAR. I will be taking my business to the US side.

Weird part is I usually have 20-30ms ping times, and my routes go through London opentransit to Paris opentransit, so odd that it's adding that much to your times, and not to mine. (Except when OT goes unstable, but I've not had a big problem with that since December - just a few seconds here and there)

That's with a bottom of the range Telewest Broadband Cable connection.

Worst I ever had was on dial up from a hotel in Egypt - >2000 ms ping times, and even crafting was a pain, let alone trying to do anything else.

Darzil

 

[[GOA]Erivoss]

More updates from Mark:

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78519&postcount=137

Folks,

Let me make one thing clear from the contract:

GOA's level and quality of support must equal or exceed Mythic support

If they don't do that, the deal is off. Now, does that clear things up a bit?

Also, for those that are saying that GOA failed to bring lots of customers to the game, that is total nonsense. At its peak, DAoC subscribers in Europe dwarfed all the competition. Our numbers there (which at the time was a far less robust market than it is today) were better than we expected them to be. If GOA had handled Italy and other territories from the beginning, our numbers would have been even higher.

Again, I'm not saying that GOA was perfect, they weren't, Mythic wasn't perfect either. We both have learned a lot over the last 5 years and we expect to learn even more over the next two. We have contract language that assures that GOA's support and effort will not only be even better than last time but that it will have to be the equal or better than Mythic's support. If that isn't good enough for those that are complaining or worrying, than there is nothing more I or anyone can say that will change your mind. And when that happens, I will stop talking about it because it is pointless.

Mark

 

[cHodAX]

More updates from Mark:

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78519&postcount=137

It is a little more comforting reading that, my main concern is still something that is beyond GOA's control though and that is OpenTransit. I would also like them to confirm some kind of ingame support for EU players, if that doesn't happen then there is no chance I will play EU, if I pay the same as U.S. players I expect the same level of support as them.

If GOA do announce ingame support for WAR then I will reconsider my postition, I will then base it on how OT performs between now and the day that WAR goes retail.

 

[Himse]

If WAR turns out to be as big as WoW, dont expect to be playing alot with plenty of mass LD's. It was bad enough back in SI when 2.5k+ people were playing on Excalibur and say 500 people were in the same zone, LD + lag fest ftw.

 

[IainC]

It is a little more comforting reading that, my main concern is still something that is beyond GOA's control though and that is OpenTransit. I would also like them to confirm some kind of ingame support for EU players, if that doesn't happen then there is no chance I will play EU, if I pay the same as U.S. players I expect the same level of support as them.

If GOA do announce ingame support for WAR then I will reconsider my postition, I will then base it on how OT performs between now and the day that WAR goes retail.

We can't announce how support will work for WAR at the moment as that is still a matter that needs to be discussed between ourselves and Mythic. In the same way Mythic haven't announced their support systems either as it's too early to do so. What Mark Jacobs says however is that EU and US support will be identical in quality and scope, the details of how that support will be offered are to be announced closer to the live release.

 

[blejs]

Thing is imho some delay getting the patches aint so bad. Then others (US) can find out on how to do stuff, and then tell the rest ppl on how to make diffrent stuff. They will also get the buggs before us, and EU get the fixes.


Like ToA, do u reliase how much time it would been extra for EU ppl to figur out how to do all that shit? And all the failures, i am happy atleast that others (US) had done all that before me. So it was just to follow guides to get the pve done :]

 

[Fana]

We can't announce how support will work for WAR at the moment as that is still a matter that needs to be discussed between ourselves and Mythic. In the same way Mythic haven't announced their support systems either as it's too early to do so. What Mark Jacobs says however is that EU and US support will be identical in quality and scope, the details of how that support will be offered are to be announced closer to the live release.

But does it mean that if Mythic offers ingame support, 24h a day all days of the week, that GOA will do the same? Or will GOA and Mythic agree that a RightNow'ish solution is the same level of quality? In short, will the service be *identical* or not? The wording so far leaves alot of loopholes.