GoA/Mythic ever read TL reports?

[Archon]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Rogue_Professions/b20912/66041856/?27

Thats the newest TL report for the hunters... It looks EXACTLY the same as 2years ago!!! Doesnt GoA/Mythic care, or dont they wanna make as many happy customers ergo money as other respective companies???
tbh. There is no more dull company in the entire world then -GoA and Mythic- that I know of.
-playNC is alot more active and have responded alot of TL's allrdy on their game Lineage2... Just to mension ONE other mmorpg organiser that does their work on a user friendly level.

What I like to know is:
[ Does the firma even care or is daoc "just" a schoolprojekt ] &
[ Is there any way to get in contact with GoA-Mythic people.. Would be good to understand _why_ they dont do nothing]

Yes daoc is addicting, but pacman is to.
We need more balance and adjustments in this game to make it survive the WoW jumping Horde of GoA-Mythic death.... uke:

Btw. Im not a owner of a hunter or anything that got that many minuses in their TL reports each freaky time. Im a person that like a wellbalanced archer in my realm on the other hand...

 

[Archon]

I just felt over something that i feel like wanna quote...

<Quote>:
Originally Posted by Volcker
Now GOA says its working but no, very very frustrating to new users.

But I will hang in for a couple of day hoping it will get better, and maybe then I will shoot my computer and break the DAoC disk.

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this is a good reason to quit while your head

this is the standard level of service they offer. your lucky to get a taster.
__________________


Man it makes me sick that a good potentional game like daoc, got a crew like GoA to organize the EU version that i play (dunno have service is on us, but I bet its kinda bether...)

 

[Lejemorder]

much of that he says are not only related to hunter but they archer class in general.

100% block vs arrows.
stealth is crap.
no climb wall or safe fall.

only thing i agree with is hunter low defence.

 

[Archon]

heh

... its true that both dmg+range on hunters is lower then ranger/scout. right?
And hunters got lovest wepskill on teh bow wenn buffed etc then the other 2.

Anyway.. Archers got nerfed for teh win way back, ok 1shooting aint ok. But 2-3shoot IS imo...

Only reason pickin a archer (after my taste) is the idea of beeing a kind of "sniper", else there aint really a point with archers. If you wanna spam arrows PlAy a caster
[/Or upgrade dmg on arrows, restealth timer or anything useful?].

If you wanna spam wepstyles/slam play tank
[or make archer defence higher /or tohit with arrows higher, irl a welltrained maskman dont miss just 1/10'th of the missrate archers in daoc have. Even with pbt and high armour a rl archer hits target.. If h

If you wanna play "scouting creeper" play assasin, they stealth ALOT bether to...!
So only thing a archer could be fixed to do bether again then other is SNIPE. Even a good bolter "snipes" bether with little skill...

Soz im tiired.. are to gimped to check all the wird things i wrote... live with ill get some sleep now.. NnZzZZzzz

 

[Ormorof]

problem i seem to have most with my hunter is that i want to play him as an archer, but with the way the "stealth" war is atm i seem to melee more than use bow since i get unstealthed very easily by the millions of higher rr assasins, also people (even from own realm) are not friendly when you shoot at people they are fighting, hopefully it will get better in frontiers where archers get passive TS and so arent just assasin food unless they are rr6+

 

[Elendar]

being able to see stuff does not = being able to kill it

 

[Flimgoblin]

just because a TL says something is wrong with a class doesn't mean it is, or that their suggested improvement is the best way to go about it.

Some things are just meant to be.

Some things take time to fix.

Some things will be fixed in other ways...

 

[Ormorof]

being able to see stuff does not = being able to kill it

no but being able to see stuff before it sees you = easier to get away

 

[Amuse]

ok.. this is BS.. making hunters look bader than scouts..

1. scouts and rangers get the same dmg, and scouts get alittle furter range.

2. the shield spec realy limits the melee capabiletys.. spec 42 in shield(slam), and you will get max 29 thrust with decent stealth/bow spec.

3. bestcraft. The hunters insa pets is a BIG advantage.. it travels faster than a player, it interupts an archer/caster before the hunter gets in melee range, it provides extra damage, its half the defence of any enemy, (as in evade and block), it removed the big advantage of slam (slam +critshot) as the slam style drains allot of end, it makes it imposible for any stealther to escape (it follows you even if you stealth), and the self buffs (if you look away from the BBs, and think of the game it was meant to be). Then there is the speed boost.. the hunter can chose to run away from a fight he/she does not like, with the speed boost... the same goes for a ranger. but nothing for the scout.

4. The scouts shield is the only, ONLY thing that makes it difer from the other archers, and that is a weapon skill.. just like the Celtic Dual of the ranger, and the spear of the hunter (high damage), yet both the hunters and the rangers gets magical abiletys..


in a 1vs1 fight, where both is skilled players, the scout will lose to the hunter most times.



But back to the point of the thread.

This TL report does not contain any special issues, and other calsses has more "importain" buggs/flaws. But it is indeed sad that mythic has not fixed any of these issues.

 

[PJS]

They ask for reports then ignore them. This creates the illusion that they give a shit. Just look at all the TLs who have quit, fed up of banging their head against the Mythic brick wall.

 

[Cylian]

dunno what kind of pet you're talking off, but the Hunter's pet crawls at normal run speed over the battlefield. Furthermore are hunters an Archer class, why should they go into melee ?

Evade and Block only get reduced as long as the Pet is in the front arc, while the hunter has about no defence (Evade II + penality to-defense on about all styles) himself.

So you can't escape from a blue con, mostly unbuffed pet ? So what ? Ever thought of what it's like with Minstrel Pets, Sorc pets, Cabbie Pets, Necro Pets etc. for the other realms stealthers ?

The game was meant to get Mythic as much $$$ as possible, and the hunter AF Buff still does squad all after two years.

 

[Amuse]

dunno what kind of pet you're talking off, but the Hunter's pet crawls at normal run speed over the battlefield. Furthermore are hunters an Archer class, why should they go into melee ?

Evade and Block only get reduced as long as the Pet is in the front arc, while the hunter has about no defence (Evade II + penality to-defense on about all styles) himself.

So you can't escape from a blue con, mostly unbuffed pet ? So what ? Ever thought of what it's like with Minstrel Pets, Sorc pets, Cabbie Pets, Necro Pets etc. for the other realms stealthers ?

The game was meant to get Mythic as much $$$ as possible, and the hunter AF Buff still does squad all after two years.

the hunter is an archer, and a stealther.. thats why the pet is so annoying..
get in a 1vs1 fight with a hunter.. you see some1 else is coming (enemy) and you sprint away.. stealth... erm.. hunter pet inc.. your screwed!
or.. hunter uses TS, and suddenly you have a pet eating you, and and an archer shooting you, so you cant take up your bow, or run away

and the BD and SM pets are also annoying, but not like the hunters insta pets...

 

[yaruar]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Rogue_Professions/b20912/66041856/?27

Thats the newest TL report for the hunters... It looks EXACTLY the same as 2years ago!!! Doesnt GoA/Mythic care, or dont they wanna make as many happy customers ergo money as other respective companies???
tbh. There is no more dull company in the entire world then -GoA and Mythic- that I know of.
-playNC is alot more active and have responded alot of TL's allrdy on their game Lineage2... Just to mension ONE other mmorpg organiser that does their work on a user friendly level.

What I like to know is:
[ Does the firma even care or is daoc "just" a schoolprojekt ] &
[ Is there any way to get in contact with GoA-Mythic people.. Would be good to understand _why_ they dont do nothing]

Yes daoc is addicting, but pacman is to.
We need more balance and adjustments in this game to make it survive the WoW jumping Horde of GoA-Mythic death.... uke:

Btw. Im not a owner of a hunter or anything that got that many minuses in their TL reports each freaky time. Im a person that like a wellbalanced archer in my realm on the other hand...

although in new frontiers by all accounts all archer classes become more viable.

TBH i think they missed a real opportunities with the archer classes when it comes to RvR warfare, making them stealth/snipers is one thing, but i always envisigioned archers in a tactical warefare sense. Using terrain and raining arrows down on opponenets. I've never actually had the patience to level one high but I would have loved to see a situation where archer based groups are used tactically in RvR warfare to pin down enemies and take out percentages of charging attackers.
It works well in siege warefare with vollley but would be nice to see archers used tactically elsewhere. Assist groups of archers critshotting casters and support classes from long range, using volley to disrupt pbaoe boxes or casuing confusing in emeny lines. But the way that achers have been created and are now percieved is still as lonewolf snipers which is a shame as that's not what bows were used for in warefare.

 

[Cylian]

the hunter is an archer, and a stealther.. thats why the pet is so annoying..
get in a 1vs1 fight with a hunter.. you see some1 else is coming (enemy) and you sprint away.. stealth... erm.. hunter pet inc.. your screwed!
or.. hunter uses TS, and suddenly you have a pet eating you, and and an archer shooting you, so you cant take up your bow, or run away

and the BD and SM pets are also annoying, but not like the hunters insta pets...

Mincer got stealth and a pet aswell ... just a few levels higher.

bundled with Speed, DDs, Insta-Stun...

you really have it hard.

 

[Amuse]

although in new frontiers by all accounts all archer classes become more viable.

TBH i think they missed a real opportunities with the archer classes when it comes to RvR warfare, making them stealth/snipers is one thing, but i always envisigioned archers in a tactical warefare sense. Using terrain and raining arrows down on opponenets. I've never actually had the patience to level one high but I would have loved to see a situation where archer based groups are used tactically in RvR warfare to pin down enemies and take out percentages of charging attackers.
It works well in siege warefare with vollley but would be nice to see archers used tactically elsewhere. Assist groups of archers critshotting casters and support classes from long range, using volley to disrupt pbaoe boxes or casuing confusing in emeny lines. But the way that achers have been created and are now percieved is still as lonewolf snipers which is a shame as that's not what bows were used for in warefare.

this is what i thought when i decided to lvl a scout.. but no..

stand to far from the battle, and you get PAd by atleast 1 assasin.

stand to close to the battle and you get 2-5 pets on your arse

some groups i have done well with my scout, buffed i do 200-500dmg, depending on the armor/arrow types each shot.

 

[Ormorof]

hunter uses TS, and suddenly you have a pet eating you, and and an archer shooting you, so you cant take up your bow, or run away

and scvouts ofc have no defence against arrows at all, and they dont get TS!!!

oh oh and hunter evade is really high when using 2h

 

[Amuse]

Mincer got stealth and a pet aswell ... just a few levels higher.

bundled with Speed, DDs, Insta-Stun...

you really have it hard.

not insta pet, they hafto find it..

when they use a pet, they cant stealth, can use instruments, or mezz and are realy just chain wearing tanks with a pet, low weapon spec, no shield spec, but a few spells.. this sounds good, but concidering that the pet will go after the healers if the mincer dies (for healing the mincer, and the mincer will be the pets enemy when it is realed) and that the pet is a pulse charmed pet, and the puls can be resisted, its not that greate.. and since they are wanted in groups becouse of the speed, they cant realy use the pet activly in RvR

 

[Amuse]

and scvouts ofc have no defence against arrows at all, and they dont get TS!!!

oh oh and hunter evade is really high when using 2h

did i say that?

 

[Mavericky]

1. scouts and rangers get the same dmg, and scouts get alittle furter range.

Then there is the speed boost.. the hunter can chose to run away from a fight he/she does not like, with the speed boost... the same goes for a ranger. but nothing for the scout.


in a 1vs1 fight, where both is skilled players, the scout will lose to the hunter most times.

Scouts get access to slower bows, so therefore have higher damage, higher frontloading (far better for critshot etc)

Speed shout is very weak V's almost any class as an escape tool, V's scout you get shot in the back, V's assasin you will be snared. Any spell, dot damage or even pet attacking something will break the speed shout.

The reason why scout usally loose in melee to a hunter is they spec melle so low, choosing instead to pile points in bow. You cant expect to be the best in melle and bow, its all choices on how to spend you points, but a high weapon high shield scout can do very will in melle.

Oh, and if the scout gets us from range we are dead very fast, where as a scout just hits engage.

 

[Mavericky]

not insta pet, they hafto find it..

when they use a pet, they cant stealth, can use instruments, or mezz and are realy just chain wearing tanks with a pet, low weapon spec, no shield spec, but a few spells.. this sounds good, but concidering that the pet will go after the healers if the mincer dies (for healing the mincer, and the mincer will be the pets enemy when it is realed) and that the pet is a pulse charmed pet, and the puls can be resisted, its not that greate.. and since they are wanted in groups becouse of the speed, they cant realy use the pet activly in RvR

Speak to some of the decent mincers, they with twisting or whatever can stealth and have a pet at the same time, obviously they wont do this in normal groups, but we are talking stealthers, and when what the last time you saw a hunter welcome in anything but a stealth group

 

[Ormorof]

did i say that?

you seemed to downplay the fact scouts get shield and from your post you said

hunter uses TS

as if scouts cant get it

 

[Amuse]

Speak to some of the decent mincers, they with twisting or whatever can stealth and have a pet at the same time, obviously they wont do this in normal groups, but we are talking stealthers, and when what the last time you saw a hunter welcome in anything but a stealth group

not compairing hunters and mincers, as mincers is mainly a suport class, with ofence skills

 

[Amuse]

you seemed to downplay the fact scouts get shield and from your post you said


as if scouts cant get it

didnt say that scouts cant get it, said that they use it, then put a pet on you, and shoot you with the bow..

and i would rather have a big weapon with nice damage and an insta pet/speed boost than a shield

 

[Ormorof]

didnt say that scouts cant get it, said that they use it, then put a pet on you, and shoot you with the bow..

and i would rather have a big weapon with nice damage and an insta pet/speed boost than a shield

a big weapon that doubles enemy assasins evade rate :touch:

a big weapon that swings every 4-5 seconds unless you can afford a 3rd account for melee haste, anyway this thread wasnt comparing archers, it was saying that mythic have ignored the TL again and again and the reason i personally wont play my hunter (much ) until NF is because im forced to melee and i dont particularly like being forced to do anything

 

[Garok]

Ok its like this....

Archers do well against non shield spec charecter's like Casters, Light tanks etc.

Archers dont do so well against Shield tanks and Assasins.

Omg so you cant wtf pawn every class, big whoop what class can ?

Haveing a class that can 2-3 shot anyone from range is not ballanced.

 

[Amuse]

Ok its like this....

Archers do well against non shield spec charecter's like Casters, Light tanks etc.

Archers dont do so well against Shield tanks and Assasins.

Omg so you cant wtf pawn every class, big whoop what class can ?

Haveing a class that can 2-3 shot anyone from range is not ballanced.

and having a class that can 1shot an unbuffed target from close range, and stealth to that target is balanced?

 

[Fana]

All the archer classes will get an enormous boost in New Frontiers, ofc it wont do anything about the intra-balance between archers of different realms, but of that i know little.

 

[Ormorof]

Ok its like this....

Omg so you cant wtf pawn every class, big whoop what class can ?

infils

you kinda deserved that for the stupid comment

id like to see you try unstealthing shooting at a fg (which will be the only targets you have that are visible unless you get lucky and see a soloer, oh but thats probably a fully buffed shield tank or something nasty that you not only cant kill but wont expect to be able to kill)

of course, you can leech! yes leeching is good isnt it? thats what archers seem good at, get a SB/NS/inf to pop another stealther and leech your way to rr6 when you might stand a chance against enemy assasins 5 RR's lower than you

 

[Marath]

Yes its really bad to have a shield. Its completely useless against anything but grey cons.

Oh wait just remembered that after popping a scout I always get slammed and and without a purge that is really gonna hurt. Shield affects living time pretty much. Being grouped that means that if a solo assasin is attacking you you will outlast it while your group kills it.

On the otherside a infil/ns attacks a group of 3 with 2sbs and a hunter. If the infil goes for the hunter Id almost bet that he atleast kills the hunter. If a sb/ns attacks a scout grouped with 2 infs theres pretty lil changes to kill the scout.

Why is NF a nice thing ? Cos I need purge against every frigging alb stealther I meat. Not having purge up or a zerg behind you is suicide against a alb. Gift low timer purge.

1 class I beat in melee without any trouple is hunter. This is all in the base that all are buffed. With out buffs its ... well I have no idea as 99,9% of stealther fights are buffed.

 

[Amuse]

Yes its really bad to have a shield. Its completely useless against anything but grey cons.

Oh wait just remembered that after popping a scout I always get slammed and and without a purge that is really gonna hurt. Shield affects living time pretty much. Being grouped that means that if a solo assasin is attacking you you will outlast it while your group kills it.

On the otherside a infil/ns attacks a group of 3 with 2sbs and a hunter. If the infil goes for the hunter Id almost bet that he atleast kills the hunter. If a sb/ns attacks a scout grouped with 2 infs theres pretty lil changes to kill the scout.

Why is NF a nice thing ? Cos I need purge against every frigging alb stealther I meat. Not having purge up or a zerg behind you is suicide against a alb. Gift low timer purge.

1 class I beat in melee without any trouple is hunter. This is all in the base that all are buffed. With out buffs its ... well I have no idea as 99,9% of stealther fights are buffed.

well your one of the few that does not have pruge.. thats the annoying part... slam.. pruge.. omg i wasted loads of end and a lot of swing time on that, and now hes killing me.

and i have NOT said that shield was a bad thing, i have said that i personaly would rather have a big/2 weapons, and insta pet and speed boost..

and if you engage some1, you lose allot of end, and cant style the bastard when you get to him. (talking aboute another archer)

the only thing an archer is good for these days, is leeching of groups, as ormorof (right?) said.. and even then you are most lightly to get PAd, bolted, nuked etc etc...

thats the reason i dont play my scout much.. it gets boring when SBs and NS' can see you rather easy for 10 mins after each fight (remove combat timer on camo, or make see hidden deactivated for 10 mins after combat)..


well.. that and the fact that i hafto leech buffs from my friends ^^