GO GO NF Reavers!

[Freppe]

Glottis has something to say, and want the world to hear it and since he havent written in this thread yet ill do it for him. For rizzeal

These would be his words:
Finally albs get something good, too bad it wont last very long since all mythic want is to nerf alb and make Mid better. Mids sucks, they have abused every single bug in this game. And if you look at NP theyre simply the king bug/cheat abusers. They say alb is so good, but couldnt keep it up when they played it, they couldnt hack it. Very simple. They only want to play easymode and then gloat about it. Alb = hardmode.
Btw jox = whiner boy, alderian = ebaynuub.
Regards

Remember these are not my words. Sry to interupt. (Aint spose to be funny no. )

 

[Pin]

Hmmm. Facts say otherwise.

Which 1 of you has averaged 960k every 10 weeks? I daresay neither you, Pin or Nightpetal. Which other Reavers?

960k over 10 weeks for a Reaver is exceptional. That is almost RR6. How many RR6+ Reavers on Excal? Answer = 6. So who are the 'large number'? So where are these 96k a week Reavers? There is not 1 single Reaver on Excal doing that.

I daresay some could make it. The point was that the guy has done extremely well. Facts bear that out.

Level 50 4th April
RR6 13th July - 1 mill in 13 weeks
(In the meantime I had got 3 other level 50s, and one to RR4)

RR7 8th Sept - 750k in 7 weeks
(In the meantime I had levelled my sorc, and got to RR4)

A further ~600k in 6 weeks.
After that I played Sorc to RR6, played Pryd and stuff, took a 3 month break from Reaver before RR8.

 

[[NO]Subedai]

Hmmm. Facts say otherwise.

Which 1 of you has averaged 960k every 10 weeks? I daresay neither you, Pin or Nightpetal. Which other Reavers?

960k over 10 weeks for a Reaver is exceptional. That is almost RR6. How many RR6+ Reavers on Excal? Answer = 6. So who are the 'large number'? So where are these 96k a week Reavers? There is not 1 single Reaver on Excal doing that.

I daresay some could make it. The point was that the guy has done extremely well. Facts bear that out.

when i played samaldanach i certainly got rr6 in under 10 weeks, yes he doesnt have that anymore cuz he has basically been inactive for almost a year. but really 100k isnt much if u in rvr grp, and reaver solo can rake in the rpts aswell.

 

[SirDystic]

Level 50 4th April
RR6 13th July - 1 mill in 13 weeks
(In the meantime I had got 3 other level 50s, and one to RR4)

RR7 8th Sept - 750k in 7 weeks
(In the meantime I had levelled my sorc, and got to RR4)

A further ~600k in 6 weeks.
After that I played Sorc to RR6, played Pryd and stuff, took a 3 month break from Reaver before RR8.

And you believe this is the norm' on Excalibur? That 'most' lvl50 char's that have been lvl50 for over 13 weeks are at least RR6?

 

[Tilda]

And you believe this is the norm' on Excalibur? That 'most' lvl50 char's that have been lvl50 for over 13 weeks are at least RR6?

For anybody who spends the majority of their time RvRing, and plays most days, 96k every week is pisseasy. Heck even a random group doing emain/odins could get that.
In a decent group, its not that hard to do nearly 96k in a day.

 

[SirDystic]

For anybody who spends the majority of their time RvRing, and plays most days, 96k every week is pisseasy. Heck even a random group doing emain/odins could get that.
In a decent group, its not that hard to do nearly 96k in a day.

Very interesting Tilda, thankyou for that. But the question stands.

 

[Fluid]

dont measure alb rps with hib standards, fluid

i make 90k+ in a good rvr day on hib, thats hardly measuring it against alb standards

 

[Tilda]

Very interesting Tilda, thankyou for that. But the question stands.

Its pretty hard to prove, as web stats don't show /play
But i'd say that most of the people who play most days, and RvR for most of their ingame time probably make over 96k a week.

If we look at the lastweek totals for alb classes:
http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/classrank.php?server=Excalibur&realm=Albion&order=lastweek&class=

Most of the classes that are grouped, have high lwrp's, I know you'll thow this back at me and say well look at the reavers their score is low. To that I say that most of the RvR active* reavers are not playing their reavers anymore, Pin is mainly playing sorc, I am playing mid, and Nightpetal is ToAing his sorc.

*By active I mean people who play their reaver for more than 3 hours a day almost every day and spend most of that 3+ hours in RvR.

If you play the same charachter every day, for most of the evening in RvR, it is by no means hard to get 96k in a week. However proving this to you is hard as I cant pull up a table of progression for Albion showing how level 50's RR's have increased over the last 10 weeks.

Tilda

 

[Pin]

And you believe this is the norm' on Excalibur? That 'most' lvl50 char's that have been lvl50 for over 13 weeks are at least RR6?

Who said anything about 'the norm' ? Skil said that he didn't believe ANY of us did, whereas I know that I did more (while doing other stuff, and not in many 'proper' RvR groups) and I know that Nightpetal was about the same rate (also while doing other stuff) and Tildai and Samaldanach were both faster (weren't doing other stuff and played in more groups). Andariel didn't play quite as much (not much past RR6), but was also faster up to there.

RR6 in 10 weeks is a doddle, even if you only RvR (group or solo) for 3 days a week (I'd be disappointed if I didn't get 30k in 4/5 hours - a good weeknight was 50k+) and if I were to play my Reaver solidly for the next 10 weeks I'd probably get 3x that.

The reason I don't is probably evident in my sig.

 

[Krane]

RR6 can and should be done under 4 weeks if you focus on rvr and do it on a daily basis, no matter in which realm imho..

 

[SirDystic]

If you play the same charachter every day, for most of the evening in RvR, it is by no means hard to get 96k in a week. However proving this to you is hard as I cant pull up a table of progression for Albion showing how level 50's RR's have increased over the last 10 weeks.

Tilda

No, no, don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to throw anything at you in the first place. I'm pretty new to DAoC so was genuinely trying to ascertain whether achieving RR6 in 13 weeks and achieving 96k per week was normal and not a feat only achieved by a 'select' and very experienced few. My progress is much slow than this at the moment , but I've not really focussed on RvR yet.

 

[Skilgannon]

The simple fact remains that 960k over 10 weeks is good going for a Reaver, or for any other class for that matter. The char in question did well. If he didn't, and 960k was the usual, there wouldn't be such things as the Warder/Brehon/Malmovakten zerg.

Last week >96k

31 Albs
45 Hibs
61 Mids

How many of these have just had a good week? Probably balanced by those who had a bad one. We would have to look over the long period to determine.

If people seriously believe 137 on Excal have 'usual' performance then I hope to God they never have to write a management report on mean performance.

 

[Filip]

funny thing is that albs and mids got the same numbers to kill ..

 

[Pin]

The simple fact remains that 960k over 10 weeks is good going for a Reaver, or for any other class for that matter.

Not 'simple fact', just your opinion.

The char in question did well. If he didn't, and 960k was the usual, there wouldn't be such things as the Warder/Brehon/Malmovakten zerg.

Remember we're not even talking about RR1-RR6. This is R6L4-R7L5. It's not someone learning the ropes and spending most of his time on the pad or in a zerg, etc.

Last week >96k

31 Albs
45 Hibs
61 Mids

When I was mostly playing my Reaver (summer/autumn last year), 100k wouldn't get you in the top 100 Albs many weeks, and 100th total (all realms) was often 200k.
The 'simple fact' is that the server isn't back to being fully RvR-active after ToA. Even the RvR guilds are still spending a lot of time in PvE, and the server's RP totals are WAY below 'the norm' (Excalibur in 20th, with 60 million total, with top US servers on 110 million. This is in contrast to last year, when Excal was on 120-150 mill, and almost 50% above all US servers).
There's little RvR outside of Emain - Odin's is still completely dead except for a couple of hours a day or the odd soloer.
Give it another month or 2, so Excal is in the same post-ToA maturity as the US server he's on and look at the totals again.

If people seriously believe 137 on Excal have 'usual' performance then I hope to God they never have to write a management report on mean performance.

That depends on what you count as 'usual'. If you are talking about the population of the server as a whole, then no 100k/week is not 'usual'. If you are talking about the 'RvR active' population, then 100k/week certainly is usual, or even quite a long way below.

 

[Skilgannon]

Average weekly realmpoints for level 50 Reavers over the past 2 weeks (can't find a way to go back any further yet)

1 Iseult Reaver 28,631

2 Mordred Reaver 24,991

3 Camlann Reaver 18,419

4 Kay Reaver 10,878

5 Bors Reaver 9,629

6 Bedevere Reaver 8,541

7 Igraine Reaver 8,361

8 Galahad Reaver 7,658

9 Nimue Reaver 7,555

10 Gawaine Reaver 7,353

11 Pellinor Reaver 6,418

12 Merlin Reaver 6,351

13 Lancelot Reaver 5,561

14 Guinevere Reaver 5,369

15 Tristan Reaver 5,277

16 Percival Reaver 4,763

17 Palomides Reaver 4,684

18 Morgan Le Fay Reaver 4,640

19 Logres Reaver 4,496

20 Lyonesse Reaver 3,393

21 Prydwen Reaver 3,315

22 Gaheris Reaver 2,679

23 Excalibur Reaver 2,499

24 Stonehenge Reaver 2,330

25 Avalon Reaver 1,806

26 Dartmoor Reaver 599


TBH 96k sure looks normal to me.

 

[Pin]

You are looking at 2048 Reavers in total, including 1118 (54.5%) who didn't make a single realm point last week.
Average weekly realm points for level 50 'RvR active' Reavers.

1 Iseult 125,206
2 Bors 61,657
3 Igraine 60,598
4 Mordred 50,313
5 Camlann 47,783
6 Galahad 42,751
7 Gawaine 42,074
8 Lyonesse 40,096
9 Guinevere 39,922
10 Lancelot 39,506
11 Kay 37,226
12 Merlin 37,022
13 Stonehenge 36,654
14 Nimue 35,116
15 Pellinor 34,470
16 Palomides 32,909
17 Logres 32,884
18 Bedevere 30,589
19 Tristan 29,594
20 Excalibur 27,682
21 Morgan Le Fay 25,458
22 Prydwen 25,237
23 Percival 23,421
24 Gaheris 19,920
25 Avalon 17,683

Where 'RvR active' is defined to be 'made more than 10k last week' - 273 Reavers.

Total population vs active population.

 

[Konah]

100k a week is a breeze. 100k a day is damn good by albion standards.

if the point your making is _reavers_ find it hard to make 100k a week then i can see where your coming from. too many albs dont know or understand the class but thats gonna change 'real soon now'

 

[Skilgannon]

So your figures bear out what I am saying. Even for RvR active Reavers 96k is above the norm.

Using your criteria of Reavers with a min 10k last week, the average weekly RP for an 'active' RvR Reaver across the US and Europe is 38610.

 

[Skilgannon]

100k a week is a breeze. 100k a day is damn good by albion standards.

if the point your making is _reavers_ find it hard to make 100k a week then i can see where your coming from. too many albs dont know or understand the class but thats gonna change 'real soon now'

Well, not quite. The point that I was making was that the Reaver in the very first screenshot had performed well in making 960k over 10 weeks, relative to the average for Reavers.

 

[Danya]

Lies, Damn lies, and statistics....

 

[Bracken]

RR6 can and should be done under 4 weeks if you focus on rvr and do it on a daily basis, no matter in which realm imho..

We live in such different worlds...

 

[Pin]

So your figures bear out what I am saying. Even for RvR active Reavers 96k is above the norm.

Using your criteria of Reavers with a min 10k last week, the average weekly RP for an 'active' RvR Reaver across the US and Europe is 38610.

96k is higher than the mean for last week. No question there.
But this is not what your original claims were.

Which 1 of you has averaged 960k every 10 weeks? I daresay neither you, Pin or Nightpetal. Which other Reavers?

Which was incorrect, and we gave 2 others.

So where are these 96k a week Reavers?

Here:
1 Aroiths NoLoveForMeQQ Reaver 50 363,701 Iseult
2 Bete UAAbagsMYgroceries Reaver 50 288,150 Iseult
3 Lostru Reaver 50 234,491 Gawaine
4 Guri Havenskold Reaver 50 230,420 Iseult
5 Kattiee Reaver 50 205,773 Merlin
6 Saneysa Reaver 50 199,381 Camlann
7 Effects Reaver 50 193,827 Bors
8 Tagthor Bloodstorm Reaver 50 188,833 Kay
9 Soulfear TheLegacy Reaver 50 173,691 Mordred
10 Zonda Pagani Reaver 50 149,504 Lancelot
11 Nexuss Reaver 50 123,851 Mordred
12 Sarcomancy Reaver 50 123,557 Lyonesse
13 Kriegsdrache Cornwalls Reaver 50 121,799 Stonehenge
14 Seraf SomethingPositive Reaver 50 121,032 Mordred
15 Kogedevil Reaver 50 119,887 Galahad
16 Lorrixah RidesInTrebs Reaver 50 115,385 Galahad
17 Eclavdra Kruel Reaver 50 112,569 Guinevere
18 Kukri Blade Reaver 50 107,909 Mordred
19 Livingston Somersault Reaver 50 104,402 Lyonesse
20 Deals Death Reaver 50 100,475 Igraine

Most being on US servers, as they are the current RvR-active servers. 96k is about top 8% of 'RvR active', hardly "exceptional".
960k in 4 weeks, however, would be.

All that's required to make 960k in ~10 weeks is actively playing it in RvR as your main on most days. Do it in a group, or solo it won't matter, as long as you approach it correctly (good gear, buffed, go to the right place, etc). And there were times when Tildai, Nightpetal, Andariel, Samaldanach and myself were ALL making over 100k/week consistently.

If 96k a week was easy soloing in Odins for a few hours a day then why aren't there any RR10 Reavers? All of the current RR6+ Reavers rolled prior to, or soon after, SI was launched. At least 70 weeks have past since then.

Getting any character to RR10 requires persistence above all else. Every RR6+ Reaver on Excal has other characters which have been their 'main' during those "70 weeks", and probably all RR5+ and all-but-a-couple RR4+ (or just been inactive).
There's also a huge difference between sticking it out for 1 million and 5 million RPs.
Why are there no RR10 Reavers? Because it's hard to be persistent (for a year) with a class which is generally under-utilised and shunned by most groups in preference for Det tanks, particularly Mercs. I just get bored playing the same class for too long (doesn't matter what it is).

 

[Dreami]

Haha

 

[Kinag]

Gah I want that ui ;p Anyone know where I can find it? checked daocmods.com but it wasn't there..

PS: nice damage ^^

 

[katt!]

RR6 can and should be done under 4 weeks if you focus on rvr and do it on a daily basis, no matter in which realm imho..

feel free to roll back to alb and show your superior skillz any time xD

 

[LordjOX]

holy crap!

 

[waok`whips]

Finally reavers get tobe FOTM after all this time! Bring on NF!

 

[Belomar]

Actually, there is nothing nice about playing a FotM class: (a) you are no longer different than the majority of the playerbase, and (b) you get lumped in with all the (no-skill?) FotM rerollers even if you rolled your char way before it rose to the top. Also, sad as it is, a class becoming FotM is often a good indication it will be nerfed in the near future. I know I hated it when everyone and their dog had a Matter Cabalist back in the day, and lately it seems that Spirit Cabalists are enjoying the same attention.

 

[Night]

reavers are a hard class, dont think majority would like it compared to their merc, can only do that utos combo every 10 mins

 

[waok`whips]

Actually, there is nothing nice about playing a FotM class: (a) you are no longer different than the majority of the playerbase, and (b) you get lumped in with all the (no-skill?) FotM rerollers even if you rolled your char way before it rose to the top. Also, sad as it is, a class becoming FotM is often a good indication it will be nerfed in the near future. I know I hated it when everyone and their dog had a Matter Cabalist back in the day, and lately it seems that Spirit Cabalists are enjoying the same attention.

I completely agree, It however is nice to be looked at in a different light after all this time, which is all I am saying.
I remember when I did /who reaver and it normally used to be Shadowlords Society only

I am not too sure about the nerfing, reavers are a near perfect class in my opinion. People know what theyre capable of and know what they excel at, its just been a touch and go subject with det being the upmost important thing to most it seems which has kept the reaver from being appreciated for what a truly great class it is.