Giving more classes spread heals, what would the impact be?

[-Freezingwiz-]

Please stop crying so damn much. You can make alb grps uber.. like sorc,cleric,cleric,merc,merc,merc,pally,friar...

If you want caster or mixed grp, just swich with mercs.. If you want pbt swich a theurgist with a merc.. if you want NS swich a caba with a merc...
This actually works.. So no need to cry..

So whats the problem? And dont QQ about the little lack of speed(it really dosent make much difference), when you got that bolt range aoe mess @ caster speed.

Now go fight like real men, and stop running away, crying

SOS on main CCer is also a nice feature hibs have

 

[Docs]

the discussion is related to your first post actually

most albs seem to think their setups are crap, but they're not. spreadheals on secondary healing classes would be completely useless, mythic made changes to make single target healing more rewarding and you ask for more spreads

The problem is that the spread heal in its current state is so much better
then a targeted heal, especially if you dont have los to your groupmate.
Granted, a fast targeted heal in combo with a spread is also a nice combo today.

My question did not call for this to be an alb exclusive idea.

Another question one might ask is:
If giving more classes spread heals, would we get longer fights?

And regarding spreads, what is wrong with letting a hybrid spec for healing
and also letting that hybrid act as a main healer IF he specced high in rejuv.

I think its to bad that we are restricted to having only one class capable of
acting as a main healer. (except to some extend the warlocks spreadheal)

 

[Docs]

Please stop crying so damn much. You can make alb grps uber.. like sorc,cleric,cleric,merc,merc,merc,pally,friar...

If you want caster or mixed grp, just swich with mercs.. If you want pbt swich a theurgist with a merc.. if you want NS swich a caba with a merc...
This actually works.. So no need to cry..

So whats the problem? And dont QQ about the little lack of speed(it really dosent make much difference), when you got that bolt range aoe mess @ caster speed.

Now go fight like real men, and stop running away, crying

This comes under the following category:

If you got nothing but stupid shit to post, then please dont post at all.

Now please re read my post and give the rest of us some decent input on the
spreadheals on secondary healers question.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

The problem is that the spread heal in its current state is so much better
then a targeted heal, especially if you dont have los to your groupmate.
Granted, a fast targeted heal in combo with a spread is also a nice combo today.

My question did not call for this to be an alb exclusive idea.

Another question one might ask is:
If giving more classes spread heals, would we get longer fights?

And regarding spreads, what is wrong with letting a hybrid spec for healing
and also letting that hybrid act as a main healer IF he specced high in rejuv.

I think its to bad that we are restricted to having only one class capable of
acting as a main healer. (except to some extend the warlocks spreadheal)

Giving Heretic's the lvl 30 spead heal at a higher lvl rej would prolly make more sence since they have the healer RA's anyway

but it would be super nice on a friar aswell, even tho they have a small power pool compaired to cleric's, but it would with out a doubt make friar's even more wanted and easyere to create a even more powerfull alb grp.

but well I still don't get the reason they gave a caster spead heal tho (and the other overpowered stuff they gave them)

 

[Killrake]

When I read all this I get a feeling that some of u want to make all chars boosted and the group unkillable, make instead damage lower, dont we all love long fights?

and REMOVE stun on casters!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yunio]

The problem is that the spread heal in its current state is so much better
then a targeted heal, especially if you dont have los to your groupmate.
Granted, a fast targeted heal in combo with a spread is also a nice combo today.

My question did not call for this to be an alb exclusive idea.

Another question one might ask is:
If giving more classes spread heals, would we get longer fights?

And regarding spreads, what is wrong with letting a hybrid spec for healing
and also letting that hybrid act as a main healer IF he specced high in rejuv.

I think its to bad that we are restricted to having only one class capable of
acting as a main healer. (except to some extend the warlocks spreadheal)

A spreadheal is far from better then a spec heal. There is only 1 occasion in which I use a spreadheal as followup for a regular group heal. (no LoS, and 3 or more groupmembers more have taken huge damage)

A MA'ed target is difficult to keep alive with that slow spread. As with spec heal you can spam it as fast as the enemy casters can cast/enemy tanks can swing.

But that said, spread on a secundary healer for backup would maybe be nice, even though the group heals are sufficient enough for a backuphealer.


>>but it would be super nice on a friar aswell, even tho they have a small power pool compaired to cleric's, but it would with out a doubt make friar's even more wanted and easyere to create a even more powerfull alb grp.<<

I dont know about you, but in our guildgroups a friar is already superduper wanted , and it has nothing to do with his healing abilities

 

[Lethul]

If you want caster or mixed grp, just swich with mercs.. If you want pbt swich a theurgist with a merc.. if you want NS swich a caba with a merc...

yes, its the pbt that makes theurgist groupable!

 

[Helme]

First of all I'm wondering why the hell the Heretic got PR and DI?? These were intended for primary healers only, could aswell give bard PR + DI or what =)

Same reason Vampiir's recieved Charge, even thought its a light tank realm ability while savages didn't get it - mythic.

 

[noaim]

The real question is, why the hell didnt warlocks get twf and st?

 

[vintervargen]

albs choose to have a petspammer instead of resists, then QQ because of it ><

 

[majik]

Spreadheal shouldn't be the main form of healing if you are playing a support class. Even with high power percentage it drains power quickly, it should mainly be used when several people are losing a lot of hp.

Hib setup hard 2 druids and a warden as a secondary healer.
Mid setup uses pac healer as cc'r and 2 main healers with 2 secondary healers, shaman and pac healer if needed.
Alb have 2 clerics as main healers and possibly a friar as secondary healer.

This combined with the amount of DI there is, shouldnt be a problem healing, the only problem fg vs fg wise is banelord interupts. You have it cast on you and 10 seconds later you can finally cast a spell. If there is any way to increase the amount of healing its to simply nerf banelord/insta interupts.

 

[liloe]

Heretic's don't have any specline heals tho.
and Friar's grp hot use about 20-25% power or so (the highest lvl version) and it don't even heal the friar, but it might be usefull as u said if they changed the power cost and how offen it tick's

I'm sorry but this is wrong =) It heals yourself. I have a lvl 42 friar with 34 rejuvenation, which gives me the 2nd grp HoT and while I can see when it heals my necropet, it's rather a thing I use in PvE only when I was just under heavy attack and necropet kited away so I don't get more aggro, but pet still gets a few heals...a few. While standing still this gets me around 30% life back I think...and that over 15seconds =)

What VF said is true aswell, the specline heals got a nice boost, where the friar benefits power-wise ( major heals cost like nothing to cast now ).

 

[Yunio]

Spreadheal shouldn't be the main form of healing if you are playing a support class. Even with high power percentage it drains power quickly, it should mainly be used when several people are losing a lot of hp.

Hib setup hard 2 druids and a warden as a secondary healer.
Mid setup uses pac healer as cc'r and 2 main healers with 2 secondary healers, shaman and pac healer if needed.
Alb have 2 clerics as main healers and possibly a friar as secondary healer.

This combined with the amount of DI there is, shouldnt be a problem healing, the only problem fg vs fg wise is banelord interupts. You have it cast on you and 10 seconds later you can finally cast a spell. If there is any way to increase the amount of healing its to simply nerf banelord/insta interupts.

So true, how often i see clerics only use spreadheals and see people die sort of in their hands because it lands just to late , or they cant do a thing anymore because their oop to fast.

 

[Napshot]

spread heals??? whats that..?...... dont see any reason too use these heals at all slow too kick in, spec heals and base much better or thats me


nap

 

[Napshot]

ohh soz didnt see some1 all rdy typed this ... well for most alb healers spec heals is main , and veyr clear too see on /stat heal.. spread dont count in... spread shouldnt at all be main heal spec grp and base grp and spec single should be...

 

[Leel]

Well, alb tank group without theurg is kinda sucky as they get no haste buff then. That's the reason the hib and mid tank setup is not convertible to alb cuz they will be really gimp without that haste.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

I'm sorry but this is wrong =) It heals yourself. I have a lvl 42 friar with 34 rejuvenation, which gives me the 2nd grp HoT and while I can see when it heals my necropet, it's rather a thing I use in PvE only when I was just under heavy attack and necropet kited away so I don't get more aggro, but pet still gets a few heals...a few. While standing still this gets me around 30% life back I think...and that over 15seconds =)

What VF said is true aswell, the specline heals got a nice boost, where the friar benefits power-wise ( major heals cost like nothing to cast now ).

hmm I got told it did from a rl friend of mine it didn't heal him self

 

[noaim]

Well, alb tank group without theurg is kinda sucky as they get no haste buff then. That's the reason the hib and mid tank setup is not convertible to alb cuz they will be really gimp without that haste.

And the reason they cant use hastecharges like mids and hibs have to use AF charges is...?

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

And the reason they cant use hastecharges like mids and hibs have to use AF charges is...?

to meny lazy tanks out there

 

[Vodkafairy]

I dont know about you, but in our guildgroups a friar is already superduper wanted , and it has nothing to do with his healing abilities

and he is such a pain :/

 

[Gordonax]

Just so you guys know, this discussion should be kept around
giving spread heals to secondary healers and the question if a cleric is
a bit of a boring class.

Some people find cleric's boring to play because your role is to keep your group alive rather than get the killspams. Personally, I enjoy keeping my group alive - but for extra fun in the occasionally boring seige, I specced 41 rejuv 35 smite - and that stun comes in handy quite a lot

 

[Docs]

Some interesting stuff here, I am really glad you folks managed to stay on topic and keep the discussion alive.

However, you all must agree with me that spread heals are nice when there
is no los.

That said I have not played a healing class all that much and I cannot say
I have all that much experience in that field.

I do know that Napshat is a top cleric so he cannot be all wrong

An OT question when Im at it, in the Friar rejuv line, does he get a spec group heal? (I dont trust character builder)
If so, how good is it?

Maybe my problem is that I have not met a proper rejuv specced backup healer.

 

[Gordonax]

but it would be super nice on a friar aswell, even tho they have a small power pool compaired to cleric's, but it would with out a doubt make friar's even more wanted and easyere to create a even more powerfull alb grp.

Problem is that I don't think a lowbie spread heal would persuade many friars to spec high in rejuv, which is a pretty-much useless line, and would be even with it. It would still make you, overall, a poor secondary healer who's only other role is to BG and remember to top up resists - not really an interesting role.

 

[Gordonax]

spread heals??? whats that..?...... dont see any reason too use these heals at all slow too kick in, spec heals and base much better or thats me

Tower seiges, when you're defending and LOS is tough. But then, you're likely to be sat on a FoP anyway which means the extra power costs of spreads are irrelevant.

 

[Aeoric]

and he is such a pain :/

Good - innit

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Problem is that I don't think a lowbie spread heal would persuade many friars to spec high in rejuv, which is a pretty-much useless line, and would be even with it. It would still make you, overall, a poor secondary healer who's only other role is to BG and remember to top up resists - not really an interesting role.

49 enhance
40(maybe) rej
18 staff

and use BM styles ^^

after all when u are BGing it would be nice to have a spread heal/fast spec heal to heal the grp, the slow spec heal is offen to slow to be very usefull in RvR if the enemy know how to assist, or against (pb)AE dmg

 

[Docs]

Is the spec heal grp or single target?

And what does it delve?

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Friar spells

the link above works well and tell u what u wanna know ;p

 

[Gordonax]

Givf Jiggs, imho!

 

[Devaster]

spread heals??? whats that..?...... dont see any reason too use these heals at all slow too kick in, spec heals and base much better or thats me


nap

meh, prefer template with 52% power, 344 dex and play 1 button as for those who tell spread kicks in to late thats bullcrap

i rather cast 1 spread and use time to share, root, buff shared ppl then target every member to heal 200hp entire fight