Giving more classes spread heals, what would the impact be?

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Seing as we have a few semi popular secondary healer classes in albion that
could use some grp love.

This is a wild idea, but what if you give the friar, and heretic a
spread heal in their rejuv line so we could have a chance of getting some
more healing classes.

It might just be me, but the biggest issue with getting a grp going today is
getting the two clerics needed.

Besides, the heretic and friar could need something to make em more popular in groups.
Maybe restrict the spread heal to a lvl 30 one or something to balance things
out and still ensure the cleric is the no1 healer.

Just an idea, but it would make a few unpopular classes more popular.

Im not all to sure about the other realms, please enlighten me there, we
might have other secondary healers in need of some love in the other realms
as well.

/discuss

Oh, and by the way, this is just a thought I played with, so dont turn this into
a flamethread please. It might be overpowered, if so say so. But this
is meant as a serius discussion where we play with the thought and discuss the
possible impact on RvR and the secondary healer classes in all realms.
 

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I know lets give spread heals to warlocks,

no wait they already did...
 

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would have no problems with that as long as warden gets spread heal also, yes pls :eek:
 

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would be ok to give spreadheal to wardens and friars but not to shammys xD
 

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Lorfo said:
would be ok to give spreadheal to wardens and friars but not to shammys xD
hibs nor mids dont need anymore healing power, max albs.
 

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Dorin said:
hibs nor mids dont need anymore healing power, max albs.
albs dont need more healingpower they need both end+heat/matter/cold resists which is almost impossible to get now :p
 

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i perosnally dont see why friars arent used, bg, healing , dmg, backup buffer, resists
So much whine about warlocks if u had a friar their dmg would nearly be halved (26% sc + 24% friar buff), depending on the setup u are running ofc

Lorfo said:
albs dont need more healingpower they need both end+heat/matter/cold resists which is almost impossible to get now :p
they do, paladins
 

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It is a pity that the cleric smite line only contains insta pbaoe CC.

Unlike the other two realms main healing classes that can be made much more
interesting since they have CC and insta CC in their CC spec lines.
Talking druids (aoe root etc) and healers ( aoe mess & aoe stun)

The problem is that, well, frankly, a lot of ppl think the cleric is boring
to play :(

Any thoughts about this?

Im not talking game balance here, Im talking about the cleric as being a bit
of a boring class as it is today.

Thus the larger part of the cleric population is specced full enhance, ie
they are your BBs...

Regarding paladins and their resists, they can only run one chant at a time
unless they are twisting chants. And they can only twist so many chants at a time.
Besides, if the pally dies, so does your resist chant.
 

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Chronictank said:
i perosnally dont see why friars arent used, bg, healing , dmg, backup buffer, resists
So much whine about warlocks if u had a friar their dmg would nearly be halved (26% sc + 24% friar buff), depending on the setup u are running ofc


they do, paladins

So, from what you say we use friar or paladin?

And friar heals don't count tbh! Maybe end buff on friars would help but that would make paladins not needed!
 

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Ilienwyn said:
So, from what you say we use friar or paladin?

And friar heals don't count tbh! Maybe end buff on friars would help but that would make paladins not needed!
Ilienwyn, Albs need more classes :) Not improving existing classes so we have more utility in the group, but rather make it so that Albs need groups of 12 to have the same utility that Mids/Hibs have with 3.
That is atleast the approach the Mids and Hibs seem to take to Albion :)
Regards, Glottis
 

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Ilienwyn said:
So, from what you say we use friar or paladin?

And friar heals don't count tbh! Maybe end buff on friars would help but that would make paladins not needed!
caster grps = friar
tank heavy grps = paladin :)
so really depends what type of grp you are using.
neither need changing imo
 

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friars should be given casted end buffs like a shammy.
 

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Tilda said:
friars should be given casted end buffs like a shammy.
friars have a self end buff
and no they shouldnt, it would make paladins obselete

fixed grps should always have 1 smite 1 enh cleric, 1 perfector 1 warlord tbh
but this is where you go omg that would be gimped without thinking
Albs from what i seen have a stigma about change, as a result lose so much in terms of abilities and utility
 

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Chronictank said:
friars have a self end buff
and no they shouldnt, it would make paladins obselete

fixed grps should always have 1 smite 1 enh cleric, 1 perfector 1 warlord tbh
but this is where you go omg that would be gimped without thinking
Albs from what i seen have a stigma about change, as a result lose so much in terms of abilities and utility
You know alb can't have the ability of doing 4 seer groups like mids and working too!
 

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A lower level spread heal (or maybe a single target instant) that Heretics or Friars had to spec higher rejuv than main healers for would make sense.

The real issue with heretic and friar as a healer in a group is that they can't perform their other functions while healing. If you engage in melee you then have a 3s delay on casting in which time the person who needed healing is dead. If you are using focus DD you can't keep stopping to heal if you want to deal damage. DI on heretics goes some way to helping this but requires the heretic to spec for group friendliness only to find they can't get a group :)

This is the biggest issue with secondary healing classes in Alb, they can't perform their other group functions successfully while healing so they take up a group slot that Albs need for something else.
 

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Ilienwyn said:
You know alb can't have the ability of doing 4 seer groups like mids and working too!
theres only 2 clerics :p
1 is a perfector 2nd is a warlord >_<
 

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Just so you guys know, this discussion should be kept around
giving spread heals to secondary healers and the question if a cleric is
a bit of a boring class.

It would be fun have more healing classes to choose from.

Would it ruin RvR balance if secondary healers were given spread heals?
Albion group utility would definetly go up, the question is if it would go
up to much? How would the other realms grp utily end up?

Would this give longer fights or just totally ruin RvR?
 

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Tilda said:
friars should be given casted end buffs like a shammy.
and shamans should be given pulsing end like paladins/bards then..
 

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Give every class spead heals IMHO...and also give every class every type of insta-CC on a 0.00001 sec timer, every type of insta spell damage and let every class have 50 in all spec lines!

Oh, and while we're at it, let's have an artifact and ML /level NPC :)

:clap:
 

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I don't think that the secondary healer's should get spreadheal, but they definately could need a small change.

First of all I'm wondering why the hell the Heretic got PR and DI?? These were intended for primary healers only, could aswell give bard PR + DI or what =)

Warden healing line contains end reduction and the self end chant, whereas friars get this with enhance ( to balance for them not having the pbt chant, I guess ). Friars get the superb ( !! irony !! ) group HoT. So I guess here is the change needed, not by adding spreadheal, but by adding something useful. If the HoT used 50% less mana and ticked like the menta one, maybe...maybe it would be useful, I'm not sure. At the moment it's just a giant mana hog with nearly no effect at all.
 

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Ilienwyn said:
You know alb can't have the ability of doing 4 seer groups like mids and working too!
No, instead you get 3 seers and 1 extra nuker (sorc). The reason albs cant fit paladins AND friars into a group is because most chose to run with a theurgist instead, which really is the only class in an albgroup that doesnt have an equavilient in a mid or hib setup. Dump cabby or theurg if you want end+resists, if you think its worth it, but stop whining about how you cant fit this and that into a group, because sorc+cabby+2x clerics+pally+friar+2x mercs has just about everything that a mid or hibgroup has.
 

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Chronictank said:
So much whine about warlocks if u had a friar their dmg would nearly be halved (26% sc + 24% friar buff), depending on the setup u are running ofc
i 2 shotted kcinimod when playing warlock. they got red matter buff
 

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Can we please stick on topic, I dont want this to be a flame/rant thread.
If you got nothing but stupid shit to post, then please dont post at all.

Nice input liloe, thats the kind of replies Im looking for.
A discussion where ppl discuss this just for the fun of it.

Think the rest of you can manage to stick on topic now? ;)
 

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the discussion is related to your first post actually

most albs seem to think their setups are crap, but they're not. spreadheals on secondary healing classes would be completely useless, mythic made changes to make single target healing more rewarding and you ask for more spreads ;)
 

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Chronictank said:
i perosnally dont see why friars arent used, bg, healing , dmg, backup buffer, resists
So much whine about warlocks if u had a friar their dmg would nearly be halved (26% sc + 24% friar buff), depending on the setup u are running ofc


they do, paladins
paladins 1k range resistchants doesn't count meight.
 

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Please stop crying so damn much. You can make alb grps uber.. like sorc,cleric,cleric,merc,merc,merc,pally,friar...

If you want caster or mixed grp, just swich with mercs.. If you want pbt swich a theurgist with a merc.. if you want NS swich a caba with a merc...
This actually works.. So no need to cry..

So whats the problem? And dont QQ about the little lack of speed(it really dosent make much difference), when you got that bolt range aoe mess @ caster speed.

Now go fight like real men, and stop running away, crying :p
 

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liloe said:
I don't think that the secondary healer's should get spreadheal, but they definately could need a small change.

First of all I'm wondering why the hell the Heretic got PR and DI?? These were intended for primary healers only, could aswell give bard PR + DI or what =)

Warden healing line contains end reduction and the self end chant, whereas friars get this with enhance ( to balance for them not having the pbt chant, I guess ). Friars get the superb ( !! irony !! ) group HoT. So I guess here is the change needed, not by adding spreadheal, but by adding something useful. If the HoT used 50% less mana and ticked like the menta one, maybe...maybe it would be useful, I'm not sure. At the moment it's just a giant mana hog with nearly no effect at all.
Heretic's don't have any specline heals tho.
and Friar's grp hot use about 20-25% power or so (the highest lvl version) and it don't even heal the friar, but it might be usefull as u said if they changed the power cost and how offen it tick's
 

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