George Best

[Ch3tan]

Yes.

LOOK AT THE SIZE OF MY BUPA CARD

 

[Guest]

Can we please make it so no DAOC forumites can post their retarded fucked up opinions in the general forum.

 

[Scouse]

Rynnor's hurry up and die thing looked tongue-in-cheek - he was commenting on the whole annoying George Best shit in the news. TBH I'm sick of hearing about him too.

As for transplants - there's always more people waiting for a transplant than there are available organs. Many patients die on the waiting list - so if you do manage to get a liver you haven't "jumped the queue" you've been "lucky at the unfortunate expense of others".

That's why I'm also of the opinion that if someone's an alcoholic and they get a liver transplant and don't give up then they don't deserve my sympathy.

Not trying to be harsh or anything - but if you've been given a new liver (with the associated "someone else probably died because you got it and not him") and that's not sufficient to help you beat your illness (and I totally accept it is an illness, but one where you must bear some of the reponsibility) then IMHO you've blown it.

I would never wish him dead - but he doesn't deserve the column inches any more. Stick the scientists who die during the course of their work trying to cure liver disease on the front cover of the papers instead - they're more worthy.

 

[Chilly]

Can we please make it so no DAOC forumites can post their retarded fucked up opinions in the general forum.

I agree, no one who plays WoW either of course.

The anti-daoc is older than the hills and more tired than your mum after she's been working me over all night.

George best blatantly got skipped ahead in the queue for transplants. He's got a Harley St. surgeon who is no doubt a member of many old boys clubs who in turn run everything. You cannot possibly deny that money = better everything. Better wife, better cars, better health care, better schools, better life for your kids. Don't assume just because it's the NHS that it isnt open to corruption.

 

[old.user4556]

I have private health care.

When bird flu comes along, i'll be living it up in my own private room in the BUPA hospital getting shakey hand jobs on tap from the BUPA nurse whilst YOU PEONS WILL BE IN THE QUEUE OUTSIDE YOUR LOCAL NHS!

I AM INVINCIBLE!

But seriously, if you've worked your arse off to get money to have private health care, why shouldn't we be entitled to better healthcare than those who can't afford it? As Bodhi says, bit of a communist view isn't it?

 

[Alliandre]

*steals Big G's Bupa Card*

Invincible you say?

Leave the guy alone. You have no proof that he skipped any que, or did anything "immoral" to get it.

And just because the NHS sucks, it doesn't mean people who can't afford it shouldn't get private health care.

 

[Scouse]

You cannot possibly deny that money = better everything. Better wife, better cars, better health care, better schools, better life for your kids. Don't assume just because it's the NHS that it isnt open to corruption.

Wife? Nah - you'll spend half your time wondering whether she's a gold-digger. Better to get a wife that loves you skint and then get rich.

But I agree with everything else.

 

[Chilly]

fair point

 

[Louster]

But seriously, if you've worked your arse off to get money to have private health care, why shouldn't we be entitled to better healthcare than those who can't afford it? As Bodhi says, bit of a communist view isn't it?

Why? Because this assumes we live in a perfect meritocracy. And I think you'd find it hard to back that claim up.

 

[Clown]

Note: Louster knows too many big words for you to argue with him.

 

[Tom]

 

[Louster]

Note: Louster knows too many big words for you to argue with him.

Damn straight.

 

[Clown]

This is why there is no point in arguing on the internets

 

[Wile E. Coyote]

Note: Louster knows too many big words for you to argue with him.

Bah, it is simply a symptom of his floccinaucinihilipilification of other peoples opinions.

I win?

 

[Whipped]

I know a big word!!!!




HUGE


There

 

[Will]

Its pretty rare someone manages to slip that word into conversation, let alone using it in a technically correct context. But its still a pointless word.

 

[Alliandre]

I don't use big words just because I think everyone elses views suck

And Louster, if the NHS did its job properly, a private health service wouldn't even exist in this country. Sort out the NHS and people won't be able to pay after smoking til an inch of their lives and pay large sums of money to be better. They'll just have to pay large amounts of tax for that privelage

Louster, if you had the money through working hard, would you wait to die, or would you pay up? Why would you bother working harder for money if you didn't get benefits like this in the first place? Lastly, can you think of a better system for meriting people than the open market place?

 

[Clown]

If NHS did its job properly then private health care would be even better for the people can can afford it.

 

[Tom]

For the NHS to do its job properly, we'll all have to pay a shit load more tax.

Frankly, I don't want to.

 

[Will]

Going private does NOT speed you up the transplant list. It buys you faster appointments for some operations, and higher levels of care (private rooms etc) but when it comes to organ transplants, you queue like everyone else.

 

[Whipped]

Just out of curiosty, does anyone here carry an organ donar card and if so, have you ticked the box labelled "Scoop me out till there ain't nothing left", or have you specified things to take.

I've specifed that my lungs and corneas can be be taken.

btw, I smoke and wear glasses

 

[Scouse]

Going private does NOT speed you up the transplant list. It buys you faster appointments for some operations, and higher levels of care (private rooms etc) but when it comes to organ transplants, you queue like everyone else.

You're right there. In the UK going private means that you'll get better care but you'd still have to wait for a liver. (In the US you can buy your way up the queue).

I've just been reading up on the patient selection criteria for liver transplants and it turns out that on the basis of current scientific understanding there's a poor case for denying alcoholics transplants, as long as the chances of them drinking again are low.

However, there's a lot of pressure to review the selection criteria from a scientific standpoint. There's also a lot of pressure to review the process from an ethical standpoint - why should the emotive issues (like "does he deserve it") be excluded?

 

[Will]

Just out of curiosty, does anyone here carry an organ donar card and if so, have you ticked the box labelled "Scoop me out till there ain't nothing left", or have you specified things to take.

I've specifed that my lungs and corneas can be be taken.

btw, I smoke and wear glasses

I hadn't done anything about organ donation for years, but your post reminded me. I just signed up online, and they add you to the register, and post you a donor card. I've gone for the scoop me out till I'm empty option.

 

[old.user4556]

*donates organ to Wij*

 

[Ormorof]

as long as he doesnt skip people who are on the list... i dont see the problem, and theres no problem with private health, they still have to pay for the NHS so it theoretically should be more NHS services for us non-private health people

 

[rynnor]

Rynnor's hurry up and die thing looked tongue-in-cheek - he was commenting on the whole annoying George Best shit in the news. TBH I'm sick of hearing about him too.

As for transplants - there's always more people waiting for a transplant than there are available organs. Many patients die on the waiting list - so if you do manage to get a liver you haven't "jumped the queue" you've been "lucky at the unfortunate expense of others".

That's why I'm also of the opinion that if someone's an alcoholic and they get a liver transplant and don't give up then they don't deserve my sympathy.

Not trying to be harsh or anything - but if you've been given a new liver (with the associated "someone else probably died because you got it and not him") and that's not sufficient to help you beat your illness (and I totally accept it is an illness, but one where you must bear some of the reponsibility) then IMHO you've blown it.

I would never wish him dead - but he doesn't deserve the column inches any more. Stick the scientists who die during the course of their work trying to cure liver disease on the front cover of the papers instead - they're more worthy.

Phew - finally someone who understood the initial post - the thing that bothers me is not whether he dies or not but the fact that its considered news that George Best isnt dead on a daily basis - he could drag on for years of this same story - how dull is that.

A lot of this is Georges fault of course - normal celebs who are seriously ill do not give hourly reports via their agent - mostly they say nothing at all and then if they die their agents release a pre-prepared statement.

Did he get pushed forward in the queue - impossible to prove as no-ones gonna stand up and say yes I did it please sue me ;P

Since when does anyone prove any arguement on here anyway - lol!

I would say that if your a doctor with a liver for transplantation and the options were either joe bloggs or George Best (who is rich enough to sue you) then its likely that Joe bloggs wont get a look in.

Make your own minds up - he could afford lots of plausible sounding people to convince the doctors that he had seen the error of his ways and was now contrite ;P

 

[Wij]

*donates organ to Wij*

Cool now I'm running four livers in parellel to process the Stella



















And I have a small cock up my arse

 

[Rubber Bullets]

I would say that if your a doctor with a liver for transplantation and the options were either joe bloggs or George Best (who is rich enough to sue you) then its likely that Joe bloggs wont get a look in.

You might say this, but it is naive.

Transplant lists are national, and are more complex than first come first served, but are based on clinical need and tissue matching etc. One doctor wouldn't simply find himself with a spare liver to give away. (images of a shopping basket left outside a GP surgery on a cold frosty night with a message saying 'give this liver a good home' pinned to it come to mind.)

The fact is though that the majority of people on the liver transplant list are there because of alcohol abuse, and not because of other diseases. There are exceptions (I work with one guy) but most are there due to lifestyle choices.

I once heard of someone jumping to the top of the cue for livers due to a suicide attempt, how fair is that? Basically it was a paracetomol overdose, that fucks the liver, and quickly. (Note, if you're thinking of ODing as a cry for help do not choose paracetomol. Even if they pump your stomach and save you from the OD the damage to your liver is irreversible and can easily be fatal.)

RB

 

[rynnor]

You might say this, but it is naive.

Transplant lists are national, and are more complex than first come first served, but are based on clinical need and tissue matching etc. One doctor wouldn't simply find himself with a spare liver to give away. (images of a shopping basket left outside a GP surgery on a cold frosty night with a message saying 'give this liver a good home' pinned to it come to mind.)

The fact is though that the majority of people on the liver transplant list are there because of alcohol abuse, and not because of other diseases. There are exceptions (I work with one guy) but most are there due to lifestyle choices.

Aye, reading up on it I was surprised to see that people who end up with liver damage through no fault of their own are not prioritised over the self-inflicteds. However reading the criteria for acceptance onto the list I did notice this section:

'Patients should be accepted for transplantation only if they had an estimated probability of being alive 5 years after transplantation of at least 50% with a quality of life acceptable to the patient.'

Now it strikes me that a rich man can shop around until he gets a doctor that passes him as fitting these criteria even when he wasnt really within the rule.

He's only had it 3 years...

 

[Tom]

Yes, hes had it 3 years and AFAIK the liver still works perfectly. How terrible of him.