G15 keyboard with daoc

[Oboy]

Bet alot of people are using keyboards with programable keys. And there is no way goa or who´m ever would have a chance to find out. Unless they have a gang team roaming around knocking down the players front doors, confiscating their keyboards ^^

as with all cheats its pretty easy to detect if u know where to look. Most ppl getting caught by other players reporting something fishy like speedhax or radar. Do u think GOA goes home to a radar abuser and check their hard drives for radar programs? no they just check loggs. Macroing is just as easy to detect by compairing loggs. The problems is that ppl starts to use these cheats less obvious (qc root, stun,debuff,nuke etc) so they will be harder to spot for other players to report.

 

[Oboy]

This is what Requiel sad for 1½ year ago about the same topic, i dont believe it has changed since then.

I answered this question before in another thread but I'll repeat myself here.
Devices like this have both legitimate and infringing functions. Mapping keys to a different device to make game play more comfortable isn't a problem.
Using the programmable macro functions on those devices to automate significant portions of the game is infringing and will get you into trouble.

 

[Tilda]

I'm going to ask a GM when they get on msn, but as you can imagine, they're a tad busy atm
Although grab bags may say attended macroing is ok, thats for mythic, i'm still fairly sure that goa's policy is that its not ok.

 

[Javai]

I'm going to ask a GM when they get on msn, but as you can imagine, they're a tad busy atm
Although grab bags may say attended macroing is ok, thats for mythic, i'm still fairly sure that goa's policy is that its not ok.

Would be lovely to know - mine just arrived and I love it atm just using the 'G' keys as alternative positioned F keys which in iteself is nice for somethings

 

[Heta]

just nice to add your alt QB to the G keys or something

 

[Comos]

but if u wanna contuine to cheat its up to you, just remember that u ruin the game for others and dont come here QQ when u get perma banned

I'm saying that is what you can do with the keys if GOA's policy about it is the same as Mythic's, learn to read.
If a GM replies to this thread and says that the use of the macro functions of this keyboard is forbidden and will get you banned then I wouldn't be advising people to use it, but because I read on a grabbag what Mythic's policy was and the fact that a company like Logitech is not likely to produce products to help cheaters I assume that people are free to use the keyboard.
And I don't really care what the policy is either way because I'm not playing any daoc atm.

Even if the timed macro's of it are not allowed, this keyboard has plenty of helpful functions imo. The mods for the LCD screen are a must though, they make it such a great keyboard.
Binding the G keys to slots on qbar would work very well if you're used to it I guess, they are not at the most comfortable position to use fast though.

 

[Nomans Land]

but because I read on a grabbag what Mythic's policy was and the fact that a company like Logitech is not likely to produce products to help cheaters I assume that people are free to use the keyboard.

lol. Logitech make the keyboard to help people out in games and make some stuff easier... but im sure they dont care if it helps cheaters or not, as if they did they would have gone around every game testing it out and reading the rules...

"oops we found a game that our keyboard helps people cheat in we cant put it on the market now! bummer!"

Not all CoCs are the same for every game, as is proven by DAoC where there are even 2 different CoCs coz of the companys hosting it.

 

[Ozilia]

Hahaha it's soooo unnecessary.












And I MUST HAVE ONE!!! (ok i play on a laptop so i won't buy one, but must admit that's pretty cool, with the irc/msn functions.)

 

[Alan]

£41.00 on scan's today only

http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/

 

[Flimgoblin]

The timed macros are great if you know how to use em. For example: the ability to quickcast root someone that attacks you from stealth with just 1 button.

just to highlight this again incase people missed it:

this is against the CoC and could get you suspended/banned etc.

 

[Zebolt]

just to highlight this again incase people missed it:

this is against the CoC and could get you suspended/banned etc.

I don't know much about macros but hos is it possible to notice? I mean the button signals to the servers are still the same, no?

I mean doesn't the macro do it's stuff on your computer and then send out 2 signals to the game? quick cast and then root for this example.

 

[Flimgoblin]

asked a GM about it to confirm btw - that is against the CoC.

Basically if you have to press a button you need to press the button - one button to do 10 things that normally require 10 buttons = against the rules. As are things shifting the time the button is pressed.

Mapping one button on a nostromo/keyboard like this to one button in game is fine though.

I don't know much about macros but hos is it possible to notice? I mean the button signals to the servers are still the same, no?

I mean doesn't the macro do it's stuff on your computer and then send out 2 signals to the game? quick cast and then root for this example.

I don't think going into "ways to find macroers" is a good idea given it just gives them "ways to avoid being found macroing"

 

[IainC]

What Oboy says is correct and our stance has not changed since I posted the original message that he quoted.
You are not allowed to automate any part of the game except through normal ingame functions. If something requires you to press a button then you must actually press the button yourself, not have a piece of software or a lego robot or a coin jammed in the keyboard doing it.
For reference Mythic's position is much the same as ours. From their grab-bag some time ago.

Q: My question is regarding my Belkin Nostromo N52. It allows recordable macros which would allow me to craft without actually pressing any buttons.

Is this against the rules? My guildmates informed me that it may get me banned or my Alch skill reset. So, I have not used it yet. Please let me know.

A: Your guildmates are right on. From the head of in-game customer service: ”When we catch people using this, we first suspend the player for 5 days and wipe all of his tradeskills to zero. Second time is a ban.”

Yes it is detectable and no we don't need to send people round to your house to look at your keyboard. Ask the round of macro crafters permabanned just after Glastonbury opened.

 

[Alan]

I don't know much about macros but hos is it possible to notice? I mean the button signals to the servers are still the same, no?

I mean doesn't the macro do it's stuff on your computer and then send out 2 signals to the game? quick cast and then root for this example.

It is possible to notice so dont do it !

 

[Void959]

It is possible to notice so dont do it !

How exactly? If they're too fast?

 

[Alan]

How exactly? If they're too fast?

lol, sorry but not going to say on a public forum, but I've coded something in the past which easily picked up macro users for another app.

 

[Appendix]

a lego robot or a coin jammed in the keyboard doing it.

Jamming a key used to be a common way to powerlevel with animists+fopbots. At least I have used it on occasion when I had to play several accounts. Never heard that resulted in people getting banned, or did it? It certainly can't have been very hard to detect anyways.

 

[Appendix]

lol, sorry but not going to say on a public forum, but I've coded something in the past which easily picked up macro users for another app.

I'm not a programmer but my guess is that pressing a key on a hardware device like a keyboard generates a hardware interrupt while a macro program sends keystrokes through some API. The difference should possible to detect in the client.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

I'm not a programmer but my guess is that pressing a key on a hardware device like a keyboard generates a hardware interrupt while a macro program sends keystrokes through some API. The difference should possible to detect in the client.

Packets returned to the servers that dont relate to the game (IE they are looking for something else other than game traffic) is a legal minefield, and one company was buttraped in court for doing just this, like Sony have just been rapped over the knuckles for their "spyware".

There are tools I guess can be used like punkbuster and so on that can keep an eye on things, as long as the legal side is taken care of first.

 

[Naffets]

If something requires you to press a button then you must actually press the button yourself, not have a piece of software or a lego robot or a coin jammed in the keyboard doing it.

Technically speaking, if you have a lego robot pressing a particular button on say...20 second intervals and your sat there watching. Then isn't that perfectly fine according with coc? Doesn't the eula/coc say that you HAVE to be at the pc when ingame and doing something?

Not that you could prove if I did set a lego robot to press a key on my keyboard, nor could you prove if i was there or not. In any case, isn't that fine according to coc/eula?

lego robot is a damn good idea tbh, ill start looking on ebay for lego robot kits now xD. On topic: The G15 uses software for the recorded macros and doesn't deal with it at a hardware level, i.e its detectable one way or another. I know people using nostromos in rvr on US and they've not been banned at all, I've also used my G15 on occasion during pve.

 

[Ormorof]

the idea that macro's while player is attendant is kinda absurd anyway, how would they detect you are present behind the keyboard?!?!? do they attach cameras to DAoC boxes these days?

or do they monitor your incessant spam of guild/as chat these days?

 

[Zebolt]

I don't think going into "ways to find macroers" is a good idea given it just gives them "ways to avoid being found macroing"

Hehe, true :>

It is possible to notice so dont do it !

I'm not planing on doing it, I'm just interested that's all :>

 

[Flimgoblin]

removed the discussion on "how to write uberer macros" - this ain't the place.

 

[Infanity]

Keyboard is well nice !