Friars not getting AoM, IP or Det???

[Jpeg[LOD]]

I got groups fine with my Reaver, and they don't have det etc. like Friars, but can't rez either. Also - Friars should be healing pretty fast as they should be capping dex for staff damage - all they need is some + cast speed items and they'll be healing at light speed. Note, they also get to use pretty much all of the caster artifacts, the healer artifacts and a good deal of the tank artifacts. Egg of youth - you'll be raking in the realm points whilst helping out your realm mates, so I wouldn't be too bothered about the RAs - just get the new version - just cap MoP and reflex attack like I am, and you'll be doing more melee damage than anyone in albion.

why would they want a healing friar in grp when they could get a cleric instead? if its for the melee no point giving me grp cos i be mezz'd ..... ie det is NEEDED for friars.. kinda sucks virtually ALL non stealth classes with a melee spec get DET and NOT friars? cant u see the point? pallys and reavers get det. so why not friars?

 

[Sigurd]

Clerics can't hit harder than a tank though... Friars can, and can also heal. So they can play assist games then rez/heal the group if needed.

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

Clerics can't hit harder than a tank though... Friars can, and can also heal. So they can play assist games then rez/heal the group if needed.

whats the pointin us hitting "AS" hard as a merc/arms when we are mezz'd for nearly the whole fight? bearing in mind the "decent" rvr grps wont consider having a friar in there groupd cos of that reason "he has no det" give friars det and ill be happy i wont care much about losing dodger/i.p ..... i just want det so i CAN find decent rvr grps!

o . and fyi
mercs > friars
pole/2hand arms > friars

when it comes to dmge output . ONLY time friars have a chance to outdmge those is if we hit our haste . which again is no use when we get mezz'd cos its worn out by time mezz has gone

 

[Svartmetall]

Thought there was an NDA on pics of the new Alb class?

 

[Sigurd]

whats the pointin us hitting "AS" hard as a merc/arms when we are mezz'd for nearly the whole fight? bearing in mind the "decent" rvr grps wont consider having a friar in there groupd cos of that reason "he has no det" give friars det and ill be happy i wont care much about losing dodger/i.p ..... i just want det so i CAN find decent rvr grps!

o . and fyi
mercs > friars
pole/2hand arms > friars

when it comes to dmge output . ONLY time friars have a chance to outdmge those is if we hit our haste . which again is no use when we get mezz'd cos its worn out by time mezz has gone

I remember 3 shotting crush-weak mobs with my friar... but anyway - the new det sucks. It's pathetic compared to the old det, your best chance is just to cap resists and befriend a good sorc (since they have the highest range mez you shouldn't have too many problems) just because I'm kind I'll suggest a few solutions: cap the new purge, 5 min recast time, when new frontiers comes out purge > det. Get ceremonial bracers - a mez bladeturn at level 5.

 

[Daedalus]

Forget it m8, all sorcs will respec to body/leave the game when Frontier arrives.

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

I remember 3 shotting crush-weak mobs with my friar... but anyway - the new det sucks. It's pathetic compared to the old det, your best chance is just to cap resists and befriend a good sorc (since they have the highest range mez you shouldn't have too many problems) just because I'm kind I'll suggest a few solutions: cap the new purge, 5 min recast time, when new frontiers comes out purge > det. Get ceremonial bracers - a mez bladeturn at level 5.

3 shotting crush weak mobs is off topic .. im talking rvr

long range mezz on a sorc dont mean shit when enemy hits from side r behind (unlike hib/mid instas mezz's)

already got to many artifacts in template (tartaros/gov/scallers/zahur/healersembrace) last thing i want is a shitty (stat wise) bracer that exps in daytime¬!!! rvr ... pain in ass atm already exp artifacts ewithout needing another. and some det is better than no det hence why i want det

 

[Sigurd]

You know bard insta mez has a 10 minute recast time though... so it's not really viable.

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

You know bard insta mez has a 10 minute recast time though... so it's not really viable.

ofc its viable insta is a insta 10min timer or not . if its up its gonna beat a casted mezz anytime . 10 mins aint very long. and dont forget hibs have that dumb ass insta amnesia also to give them a sec or two to stop n cast there big mezz.

 

[Lejemorder]

jpeg u it r impossible to talk discuse(sp?) with sigurd, tried in whole tread (with some others) that mincer aint that psycho killing machince with only instant win buttons and now he even think friar can get grps?? sigurd when was last time u ever played a friar??? and i mean lvl 50 .
U know that a cleric also cap cast speed so they also heal freaking fast??? u know that a cleric>friar in heal and survival (u look like a caster and therefor u r some times the first to get hitted). Friars is awsome in PvE, but i think they (not we as i dont play friar anymore) want to be able to get not opted grps but atleast good grps and just not a random pick up with 3 palas, smite clerics etc.
and sigurd if friars hit that dam hard how can it be that most melee classes outdmg em???
Sigurd does u c the fair in that hibs counter part to friars, wardens get det when friars dont??

 

[Sigurd]

Another coherent post from the illustrious Lejemorder. Look, Wardens hit like flies, ok? You can't even compare them with Friars, Wardens are a group only class. Friars are their own buffbot - great soloers. Fact of the matter is, Albion is easy mode. Sorcs = best caster, Friars and Reavers = best hybreds, Minstrel = best "speedsong" class, Infils = best assassin, Scouts = best archers, Paladins = best defensive tanks, Necros = best soloers in PvE by a few miles, also best anti-tank caster (second place goes to the Theurgist) I could go on, but there's not much point. Yes, there are good classes in the other realms, Savages for example are the best aggressive tanks, Enchanters are still good despite numerous nerfs, although they're not a patch on Sorcs anymore, and Healers are the best main healing class thanks to all their CC abilities, and Warriors are the best main tanks - yes I've played all three at a high level, my Warrior remains my favourite character ever - point is though, Alb has it best in most areas. It's to be expected really - this is Dark Age of Camelot, not Dark Age of Jordheim/Tir na Nog, but there we have it. Of course, some people disagree for several reasons - Euro servers aren't running the latest patch, Euro players don't know just how to exploit the Sorc's abilities to the fullest extent (from what I've heard) but you'll find out sooner or later.

 

[Lejemorder]

Another coherent post from the illustrious Lejemorder. Look, Wardens hit like flies, ok? You can't even compare them with Friars, Wardens are a group only class. Friars are their own buffbot - great soloers. Fact of the matter is, Albion is easy mode. Sorcs = best caster, Friars and Reavers = best hybreds, Minstrel = best "speedsong" class, Infils = best assassin, Scouts = best archers, Paladins = best defensive tanks, Necros = best soloers in PvE by a few miles, also best anti-tank caster (second place goes to the Theurgist) I could go on, but there's not much point. Yes, there are good classes in the other realms, Savages for example are the best aggressive tanks, Enchanters are still good despite numerous nerfs, although they're not a patch on Sorcs anymore, and Healers are the best main healing class thanks to all their CC abilities, and Warriors are the best main tanks - yes I've played all three at a high level, my Warrior remains my favourite character ever - point is though, Alb has it best in most areas. It's to be expected really - this is Dark Age of Camelot, not Dark Age of Jordheim/Tir na Nog, but there we have it. Of course, some people disagree for several reasons - Euro servers aren't running the latest patch, Euro players don't know just how to exploit the Sorc's abilities to the fullest extent (from what I've heard) but you'll find out sooner or later.

yea alb is really easy mode.... NOT
necros not best farm, that title goes to animist
http://vnboards.ign.com/Realm_of_Hibernia_/b22183/67299928/?18.
and necro is not best interrupter, theur beats them with several miles.
Scout not best archers thats ranger . Friars is not best hybrid, VW and reaver is.
u say warden is grp only class?? then tell me why they can solo reds w/o getting hit once??
i doubt sorc is THE best, i think enchanter=sorc in utility to offer to grp.
Maybe alb got several good classes but still mid>hib>alb in making easy mode grps.
Minstrels aint best speedsong if we focus on grps, bards better there.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

i found it VERY humourous that you base your points on the fact that you got grps with your Reaver, and so because he's a hybrid that means Friars are on equal terms., hmm lets look at Reavers, they have access to SLAM CHAIN CRUSH/SLASH so they can pick and choose theyre weapons to suit.. they also get an AF debuff / Con debuff / lifetap / DOT and oh yes that oh so useful Leviathan style...3 shotting a LOT of classes with that.. i wish i had half of the utilty that a reaver can bring even without DET.. but still i digress Friars are in a very poor id rank them at the bottom of the unwanted RvR grp with Cabalists, although a 46 spirit 28 body cabby duoing with a sorc is Evul!!

still anyway.. its very sad that Quicksilver feels the need to re-roll, i always looked upto him, hes been around through it all RR11, all the nerfs, pre DEX/Qui and he stuck through it all and still played and qudos to him for that, but when the most respected friar possibly in the whole game re-rolls i think that tells you something... a very sad day indeed.. think ill get back to levelling my cabalist now, now..to find a sorc to duo with =)

 

[Sigurd]

yea alb is really easy mode.... NOT
necros not best farm, that title goes to animist
http://vnboards.ign.com/Realm_of_Hibernia_/b22183/67299928/?18.
and necro is not best interrupter, theur beats them with several miles.
Scout not best archers thats ranger . Friars is not best hybrid, VW and reaver is.
u say warden is grp only class?? then tell me why they can solo reds w/o getting hit once??
i doubt sorc is THE best, i think enchanter=sorc in utility to offer to grp.
Maybe alb got several good classes but still mid>hib>alb in making easy mode grps.
Minstrels aint best speedsong if we focus on grps, bards better there.

Necros can farm SOLO animists need powerwards/crackbot to even come close, trust me, I've played both. I never said they were the best interrupter, where the hell did you get that from? I said they were the best anti-tank caster, and they are. A necro can take out 4 tanks at a time. Scouts are infact the best archers, they hit the hardest and can slam then fire should they get caught. They don't tank too badly either, I've seen a scout solo two heroes. Sorcs are better than chanters now if specced correctly, by quite a long way, minstrels are currently the best speedsong class both solo and grouped (in groups they have a little RA called Speed of Sound, and at the moment it's unique to alb) as for mid>hib>alb what are you smoking? Mid is easiest to level in 20+ I'd admit, then alb, then hib, but groupwise... albs can own with pretty much any combination of classes, mids aren't going to do too well without healers, but hibs are helpless without bards, to the point that all hib groups refuse to leave DL without one on my server.

 

[Lejemorder]

Necros can farm SOLO animists need powerwards/crackbot to even come close, trust me, I've played both. I never said they were the best interrupter, where the hell did you get that from? I said they were the best anti-tank caster, and they are. A necro can take out 4 tanks at a time. Scouts are infact the best archers, they hit the hardest and can slam then fire should they get caught. They don't tank too badly either, I've seen a scout solo two heroes. Sorcs are better than chanters now if specced correctly, by quite a long way, minstrels are currently the best speedsong class both solo and grouped (in groups they have a little RA called Speed of Sound, and at the moment it's unique to alb) as for mid>hib>alb what are you smoking? Mid is easiest to level in 20+ I'd admit, then alb, then hib, but groupwise... albs can own with pretty much any combination of classes, mids aren't going to do too well without healers, but hibs are helpless without bards, to the point that all hib groups refuse to leave DL without one on my server.

if u a necro can take 4 tanks it r 4 very very poor tanks or they wasnt lvl 50 more like lvl 40.
Scout soloing to heros?? heard a better joke?? if a scout can solo 2 heros, the heros suxed balls, not coz of scout r goood. scouts good in melee?? maybe if specced 39 weapon but then they lack either in stealth, bow or shield. and mid>hib>alb is for RvR and what u point in mid need healer in all grps ofc they do that, its like alb need cleric, sorc and minstrel in all grps .

and i dont care if animist need power font etc. they still farm better then any necros every will be able too but lets get back to trail, please explain why friars shouldnt have AoM as all other hybrids, why not IP (as all ther hybrids), why not Det then all other hybrids and archers get it??
then i fucking dont care if friars hit hard, can crap heal or solo red df mobs, coz all that is very bad excuse to not give em just alittle grp utility

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

Necros can farm SOLO animists need powerwards/crackbot to even come close, trust me, I've played both. I never said they were the best interrupter, where the hell did you get that from? I said they were the best anti-tank caster, and they are. A necro can take out 4 tanks at a time. Scouts are infact the best archers, they hit the hardest and can slam then fire should they get caught. They don't tank too badly either, I've seen a scout solo two heroes. Sorcs are better than chanters now if specced correctly, by quite a long way, minstrels are currently the best speedsong class both solo and grouped (in groups they have a little RA called Speed of Sound, and at the moment it's unique to alb) as for mid>hib>alb what are you smoking? Mid is easiest to level in 20+ I'd admit, then alb, then hib, but groupwise... albs can own with pretty much any combination of classes, mids aren't going to do too well without healers, but hibs are helpless without bards, to the point that all hib groups refuse to leave DL without one on my server.

imo bd's > necros for anti tank caster

chanters best caster imo (cant choose sorc just cos of its mezz range cos rage dont mean shit if hit from side/behind cos insta > all)

best tank = savage nuff said

defensive tank id agree pally prolly best . but they still mega suck dmge wise compared to other realms.

wardens u obviously aint played cos they can pwn reds and i have seen many wardens say they can kill purple nightmares in df

hunter and ranger better than scout IMO .. they both got lots of toys to play with . self buffs . hunter got pets. both get speed buffs . only thing a scout has is shield spec and range (which is VERY rare a scout is at max range to shoot) hence negates that . hunter and ranger are very competant in melee whereas a scouts melee sucks . and they have no selfs buffs at all and no pets or duel wield or 2hand weapon.

as for speeder . bard > all when it comes to group utility ... im sure if u was on a pvp server you would take a bard over a skald or mincer anytime. as u said only thing that makes em stand out is sos. which u cant solely base your ideas on cos not all mincers (belieave it or not) have it. and sos goes to all realms for frontiers,


im happy now tho cos the new RA chart is out and we friars have our I.P and DET back and aom .... i would of been happy with just det but i.p back also is great maybe evenb friars become fotm MUST in future doac rvr healing/rezzing/curing/good melee det class with access to battlemaster or pefector and also has nice class specific ra and passive reflex attack roll on frontiers now

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

Haven't seen that new RA list yet, but if it is true, then well its juts too late for some. Those friars who didn't quit during the year we have spent in the gutter, gave up when TOA arrived or when new RAS were announced. Just how many active high RR friars are around now.

 

[Sigurd]

imo bd's > necros for anti tank caster

chanters best caster imo (cant choose sorc just cos of its mezz range cos rage dont mean shit if hit from side/behind cos insta > all)

best tank = savage nuff said

defensive tank id agree pally prolly best . but they still mega suck dmge wise compared to other realms.

wardens u obviously aint played cos they can pwn reds and i have seen many wardens say they can kill purple nightmares in df

hunter and ranger better than scout IMO .. they both got lots of toys to play with . self buffs . hunter got pets. both get speed buffs . only thing a scout has is shield spec and range (which is VERY rare a scout is at max range to shoot) hence negates that . hunter and ranger are very competant in melee whereas a scouts melee sucks . and they have no selfs buffs at all and no pets or duel wield or 2hand weapon.

as for speeder . bard > all when it comes to group utility ... im sure if u was on a pvp server you would take a bard over a skald or mincer anytime. as u said only thing that makes em stand out is sos. which u cant solely base your ideas on cos not all mincers (belieave it or not) have it. and sos goes to all realms for frontiers,


im happy now tho cos the new RA chart is out and we friars have our I.P and DET back and aom .... i would of been happy with just det but i.p back also is great maybe evenb friars become fotm MUST in future doac rvr healing/rezzing/curing/good melee det class with access to battlemaster or pefector and also has nice class specific ra and passive reflex attack roll on frontiers now

BDs can be countered a lot easier than Necros... and fully buffed Necro pets are just nasty. Body sorcs > chanters, sorry. Wardens got NERFED, and even before that they did less damage than Paladins... Scouts may have less "toys" but they do the most damage of any archer with a bow... just like Warriors do the most damage of any tank in melee, but don't have anything interesting. Bards have no damage output really, Minstrels can get normal groups and stealth groups, as well as solo better than any other class in the game in RvR.

 

[Jaff]

lol, this is quite amusing really.

 

[Huntingtons]

just like Warriors do the most damage of any tank in melee, but don't have anything interesting.

no? they dont have to x-spec to do dmg with 2hand weapons, they get evade (as any class wearing chain and melee) can do insane specs and still use 2hand weapons... and no other det. main tank get any spells so doesnt really matter that way warriors are my fav. tank

 

[Ballade.]

BDs can be countered a lot easier than Necros... and fully buffed Necro pets are just nasty. Body sorcs > chanters, sorry. Wardens got NERFED, and even before that they did less damage than Paladins... Scouts may have less "toys" but they do the most damage of any archer with a bow... just like Warriors do the most damage of any tank in melee, but don't have anything interesting. Bards have no damage output really, Minstrels can get normal groups and stealth groups, as well as solo better than any other class in the game in RvR.

I really really tried hard not to make a post in this thread..

Sigurd i have a 2 suggestions for you.

1) shut down your pc, and do something else
2) dont post on FH again ever, because your posts are like an asshole.. everything that comes out is POO

First of all Necromancers are the WORST rvr class in the game, buffed or not.. the fact that you try to argue against this shows both me and everyone else reading this post how little you know about this game and how much BS you post!

Yes necromancers are the ultimate solo-farming char ingame, but on the other hand they suck in rvr ( deathsight necro's that is.. havent played any other spec necro )
Necromancers pet is considered a MOB in rvr that means EVERYONE not only berserkers can make a 99% crit hit on the pet.
I have a few screenshots on my pc of my BUFFED lvl 44 pet (50 necro) getting killed by 3 hits from a nightshade

Sure Sigurd you have played every single class in game, but you sure as hell havent played more than a few to 50.

now before you start to quote the obvious that you are complete and utter morron, read my suggestions 1 and 2 again

 

[Leleith]

u say warden is grp only class?? then tell me why they can solo reds w/o getting hit once??

AHAHAH! Good one . Do that as a warden, and u will have to plan one week ahead. with food, sleep, breaks for wc and showers... Not to mention that the mob WILL hit you between the pulses.

and mid>hib>alb is for RvR and what u point in mid need healer in all grps ofc they do that, its like alb need cleric, sorc and minstrel in all grps

You comparing 3 classes to one there?

 

[Thegreatest]

some people do really care too much about this GAME....It's a GAME for god sake...I can't understand what the hell Sigurd for example does gain with arguing on a forum about a game with other people :touch:

 

[Lejemorder]

AHAHAH! Good one . Do that as a warden, and u will have to plan one week ahead. with food, sleep, breaks for wc and showers... Not to mention that the mob WILL hit you between the pulses.


You comparing 3 classes to one there?

i heard alot of wardens say that they can solo reds w/o getting hit

no i didnt compared i just said what 3 classes u need to fill what a healers does, ofc u can also do it the other way

 

[Lejemorder]

some people do really care too much about this GAME....It's a GAME for god sake...I can't understand what the hell Sigurd for example does gain with arguing on a forum about a game with other people :touch:

i dunno its sigurd against rest of FH when i try to argue that friars r so good in RvR grps

 

[Lejemorder]

and btw sigurd HAHAHAHA i was right friars deserved it

 

[Leleith]

i heard alot of wardens say that they can solo reds w/o getting hit

no i didnt compared i just said what 3 classes u need to fill what a healers does, ofc u can also do it the other way

About wardens; yeah, some ppl talk way too much . It all comes down to spec. i CAN kill reds with mine as well (lower reds). but i prefer to run, rather than stay and fight it, as it takes WAY too long. Also, reds and higher are a risk, no matter if i have pbt up, since they WILL hit me sooner or later between pulses.

as for the "comparsion". Yeah. you could turn it and say: healers havent got charm, speed, dds, nukes... etc etc

 

[Yussef]

Yes, Scouts will be raping multiple Heroes when we get 1.69 too :|

 

[Ballade.]

How about you shut your fucking face you little ****? I've had enough of queer little shits like you. Perhaps you should go back to school and learn to spell, "morron"

oh forgive me for making 1 typo during my entire post :touch:

If you've had enough of people like us, does that mean you wont be posting on FH again? I sure hope so :kissit:

 

[Leleith]

Mwahahahah! all that hate! keep it cummin!