Forgive and forget?

[Ch3tan]

 

[Garaen]

When did we start talking about necrophilia?

 

[fettoken]

Your a fckin idiot

No you, i have to stand up to Tohtoris way of thinking here.

 

[tris-]

i can see his point though. if no one is hurt then what is the real problem?

on the other hand, i can see that the real problem is youve increased the chances of someone dieing.

hopefully it means im normal if i can see both sides to it.

 

[Calaen]

I'm all for circumstances, if it's ok in your mind, let it go.

Also i think drink-driving is ok unless you hurt someone.

If shit doesn't happen, it doesn't. No point in "what if?".

What the fuck are you on about. Drink driving is not ok ever, you fucking peon!! It's being irresponsible and putting other peoples lives in danger unecessarily.

Remind me to drive down your street while you are out walking, the next time I fancy getting pissed. Fucking imbecile.

 

[Corran]

Toht for world president, judge and jury.

"You are here for attempted murder. You blew up 489 homes in the process. How do you plead".

"Not guilty. I did not hurt anyone in my attempts to kill people"

"Good point. You are free to go. Next time make sure you hurt at least one person so i can lock you up".

 

[Zenith.UK]

I have zero sympathy for drink-drivers. No matter what the circumstances.
Driving is an inherently dangerous activity that requires almost constant, unimpaired attention. If you drive impaired, I hope you're nowhere near me. I've seen the result of a drink-drive smash and it is not a pretty sight.

I can say, hand on heart, that I have never driven while drunk. I am almost always the "designated driver".

Also i think drink-driving is ok unless you hurt someone.

That is your opinion.
My opinion is that you're a fucking idiot.
EVERYONE knows that alcohol causes people to act irrationally, and acting irrational behind a steering wheel increases the chance of an RTI. Dukat's mate got lucky and only injured himself. Too many people kill their friends and survive the crash themselves, like this fucktard.
BBC News - Ten years for triple death driver

 

[Access Denied]

Most drink related accidents involving cars are actually caused by drunk padestrians falling in front of perfectly sober drivers. However, having said that drink driving is probably the stupidest thing you do besides shagging Jordan. I won't drive if I've had even 1 drink. Despite the fact that after 1 JD and Coke I know I'm absolutely fine I won't risk it.

As for you Toht. Try using that reasoning on me. When I was 11 my best friend died in my arms after being hit by a drunk driver who mounted the pavement. If he hadn't been drinking and driving she would still be alive. So don't give me that sort of crap. Drinking and driving is irresponsible in the extreme, dangerous, selfish and should carry a lifetime ban from driving, whether you hurt someone or not.

 

[Litmus]

I stop off at the pub on the way home tonight and had 2 pints tonight and drove 200meters home, does that make me bad?? seriously

 

[adoNix]

I stop off at the pub on the way home tonight and had 2 pints tonight and drove 200meters home, does that make me bad?? seriously

Nope, it just makes you fucking lazy for not walking 200 meters home instead of driving

 

[CorNokZ]

I can start shooting a gun in the middle of a busy street, but if I don't hit anyone, is it okay then?

A gun is a weapon and so is a car.. End of

 

[ST^]

I stop off at the pub on the way home tonight and had 2 pints tonight and drove 200meters home, does that make me bad?? seriously

Makes you a fucking idiot for sure. If you live 200m away, take the car home and walk to the pub.

 

[soze]

I stop off at the pub on the way home tonight and had 2 pints tonight and drove 200meters home, does that make me bad?? seriously

Yes and if someone walked infront of your car and you killed them because of slower reactions you would get a nice prison sentance for your troubles.

I hope they do change the rule so any drink is banned i hate people who say i only had a couple i thought i would be fine!

 

[tris-]

the law like most others is arbitary enough as it is.

 

[Dukat]

Ok, this thread went a little mad when I wasn't looking

Perhaps I should clarify a little - it wasn't just 'over the limit' driving, he was properly smashed, and he had someone else in the car with him (who is also a complete fucking idiot for letting him drive, but that's another story). To me this all points to more than 'just' a mistake brought on by the alcohol.

I'm thinking along the lines of what ST^ and Garaen are saying. I guess at worst I'll just let it go as such and try to have as little to do with the guy as possible in future

I dont want to come over as an uptight judgemental asshole, but I guess I'm just a bit pissed off by it, and I'm wondering how he'll be when he gets back and how I'll react if he comes back bragging about it, which tbh I'm not sure I'd be suprised if he did at the moment.

I guess I just need to see how it all pans out and take it as it comes

 

[tierk]

Ok i can understand the dislike of people drink driving, but LOL at some of the comparisons being suggested here are just fucking retarded. Russian Roulette with five babies and running about with a machine gun ?!?? :lol:

Some people, i think, are just having a pop at Toh no matter what he says but for fuck sake get a grip people.

Oh and Dukat, i would suggest you assess how close /good friend he is and base your judgment on that. I would hazard a guess that he is probably not that great /close friend otherwise you would not be thinking of kicking his ass to the curb but having a serious talk with him as i would feel that this would be path to take with any of my true mates, if only for my own self so that i wuld never have to hear the words "but you never said anything" and my conscience would be clear.

 

[Jupitus]

All you can do is let your friend know that you are having trouble accepting their actions, and that you will not stand by them should they do it again.

Pikey - this is the way to go, IMHO - have a serious moment with him, tell him he was a stupid cnut for doing it and if he ever does again you'll not be talking to him again, then leave it at that.

 

[tierk]

Pikey - this is the way to go, IMHO - have a serious moment with him, tell him he was a stupid cnut for doing it and if he ever does again you'll not be talking to him again, then leave it at that.

Cant rep you but if i could, i would.

 

[soze]

Ok i can understand the dislike of people drink driving, but LOL at some of the comparisons being suggested here are just fucking retarded. Russian Roulette with five babies and running about with a machine gun ?!?? :lol:

Some people, i think, are just having a pop at Toh no matter what he says but for fuck sake get a grip people.

They are just more examples of saying something stupid is ok as long as no one gets hurt. If you run a kid over while drink driving it is murder the same as shooting and only an idiot would suggest they did not know drink driving was a bad idea.

 

[Thorwyn]

Ofcourse drinking and driving increases the risk, but still, if nothing happens, nothing happens.

The increased risk is enough. I don´t care if people are putting their lifes at stake, they can play russian roulette all day long for all I care, but interfering with and decreasing *my* level of safety is way too much. Saying that it´s ok as long as nobody gets hurt is pretty counterproductive, because it encourages people to drink-drive. "Nothing happened in the past, so why should give a damn now?"

 

[tierk]

They are just more examples of saying something stupid is ok as long as no one gets hurt. If you run a kid over while drink driving it is murder the same as shooting and only an idiot would suggest they did not know drink driving was a bad idea.

As much as i can understand yours and others sentiments in this thread, i cannot in anyway agree with your last comment. The drink driver doesn't get into his car thinking yea let go kill someone now i have had a few pints. Invariably they either just want to get home or /and are to fucking pissed to know /care to not drive.

Murder, however, is by definition something that is premeditated, or calculated.

" The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Not quite the same now is it?

 

[Dukat]

Oh and Dukat, i would suggest you assess how close /good friend he is and base your judgment on that. I would hazard a guess that he is probably not that great /close friend otherwise you would not be thinking of kicking his ass to the curb but having a serious talk with him as i would feel that this would be path to take with any of my true mates, if only for my own self so that i wuld never have to hear the words "but you never said anything" and my conscience would be clear.

Yea - true enough.

I went through basic with the guy but we were never really 'friends' as such, but I guess I consider him a bit more than just someone I know. We're on the same course, so obviously you get to know eachother, and we've helped eachother out in the past.

I guess I should've been a bit clearer at the start, but I'm not certain exactly how much I can or should say at the moment what with things being so recent

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

As much as i can understand yours and others sentiments in this thread, i cannot in anyway agree with your last comment. The drink driver doesn't get into his car thinking yea let go kill someone now i have had a few pints. Invariably they either just want to get home or /and are to fucking pissed to know /care to not drive.

Murder, however, is by definition something that is premeditated, or calculated.



Not quite the same now is it?

The legal definition of murder is premeditated, yes, but people on the streets still call manslaughter as defined by law as the unpremeditated murder of someone, still murder.
Most here aren't exactly lawers, so don't use the legal distinction between murder and manslaughter.

 

[Jupitus]

I guess I should've been a bit clearer at the start, but I'm not certain exactly how much I can or should say at the moment what with things being so recent

You need to say what you want to say while it is still fresh in his mind, dude.

 

[Lamp]

Personally, I think if you drink so that you're over the limit and knowing so, you get in your car and drive, you're a fucking idiot. End of. How you react to your mate has got nothing to do with any of us, has it ?

 

[Dukat]

Personally, I think if you drink so that you're over the limit and knowing so, you get in your car and drive, you're a fucking idiot. End of. How you react to your mate has got nothing to do with any of us, has it ?

Like I said in my original post, I'm in two minds about the whole thing, so I thought it would be worth seeing what people think Its not as if I'm making a poll about it and saying I'll do whichever option gets the most votes, I was just kinda interested to see people's takes on this.

 

[Ch3tan]

As much as i can understand yours and others sentiments in this thread, i cannot in anyway agree with your last comment. The drink driver doesn't get into his car thinking yea let go kill someone now i have had a few pints. Invariably they either just want to get home or /and are to fucking pissed to know /care to not drive.

Murder, however, is by definition something that is premeditated, or calculated.



Not quite the same now is it?

If someone you knew was killed by a drunk driver or a dangerous driver, I bet you consider them a murderer, whether the law defines them as such or not.

 

[Raven]

Also i think drink-driving is ok unless you hurt someone.

Do you even think before you post?

 

[Bugz]

I cannot believe you said that Toht lol - not only was it completely stupid but to think you actually have that view is quite sad as it shows the level some people are at in society :/.

 

[fettoken]

If one drink, drive and hit someone then this person is guilty of whatever. If a person is good enough not to jeopardize people, then he is not guilty. It surprises me how blind quick to judge you self righteous people are sometimes.