FoP is RvR imunity now?

[Slitzzz]

Seriosly... Our grp got alot of whine killing some hibgrp in a fop resting in the middle of decayed lands (Agramon mob spawn) !!

1: So if any low rr grp comes along the sould leave the rr9+ grp in the fop ??
(Only chance for a low rr grp is to engage high rr when they just had a fight ect)
2: Place a fop meights i need insta Aemezz up!

Our grp never add ongoing figts and never will but if you need to rest pull of in a remote area. Cause if you are in decayed lands were all the action you gonna get engaged......

 

[Kaun_IA]

Seriosly... Our grp got alot of whine killing some hibgrp in a fop resting in the middle of decayed lands (Agramon mob spawn) !!

1: So if any low rr grp comes along the sould leave the rr9+ grp in the fop ??
(Only chance for a low rr grp is to engage high rr when they just had a fight ect)
2: Place a fop meights i need insta Aemezz up!

Our grp never add ongoing figts and never will but if you need to rest pull of in a remote area. Cause if you are in decayed lands were all the action you gonna get engaged......

i agree whit you there

our gg got killed becouse of fop in the middle of agra few weeks back couse of it

we where running around and saw a mid grp resting in the middle.. so we though.... oh they are resting and didnt engage.... they jumped as soon as we all turned our backs and killed us.... and that happened 2 times...

then we killed another grp (albs this time) when they where resting in agra.... we didnt want to get jumped from behind again so whe blew them away.... and we got loads of whine couse of it

 

[Bondoila]

Seriosly... Our grp got alot of whine killing some hibgrp in a fop resting in the middle of decayed lands (Agramon mob spawn) !!

1: So if any low rr grp comes along the sould leave the rr9+ grp in the fop ??
(Only chance for a low rr grp is to engage high rr when they just had a fight ect)
2: Place a fop meights i need insta Aemezz up!

Our grp never add ongoing figts and never will but if you need to rest pull of in a remote area. Cause if you are in decayed lands were all the action you gonna get engaged......

I think it would be nice leaving groups when fop is up, it save alot of efforts and will result in more fights instead of the group having to run away 20 miles. And it's not like you stand in it for 10 min to get instas up, it's just for geting power to 100%.
But when I played I still did run away 20 miles after a fight since I didn't really expect everybody to follow this.

 

[Kaun_IA]

I think it would be nice leaving groups when fop is up, it save alot of efforts and will result in more fights instead of the group having to run away 20 miles. And it's not like you stand in it for 10 min to get instas up, it's just for geting power to 100%.
But when I played I still did run away 20 miles after a fight since I didn't really expect everybody to follow this.

read my post and read hes post again

DONT REST IN THE MIDDLE.
resta shured.... you will get ganked in there.... atleast we will from now on couse what happened to us

 

[Sarasor]

Using FoP as a resting place to get timers up again is silly.
Beeing jumped after a fight before you manage to get fop up is ok, but the moment you manage to place the fop you're free from attack?

Imo beeing jumped is part of the fun, and keeping lookout when resting adds to the excitement.
Bring on the jumping imo, no Agramon kindergarden mentality...this is war

 

[Labbe]

Totally agree.

Find a 'safespot' to rest in.

We have been avoiding groups that is resting in a FoP since we got a little whine från farilsgroup that we engaged them while they were resting in a FoP.
In the other hand we have been engaged several times by groups that is 'resting'.
So from now on we will not back off from enemys that are resting.

It is stupid 'rule' really.

 

[Gibbo]

Some really stupid 'rules' people are inventing these days.

It will be getting to the point soon where you will have to ask the permission of the people you want to attack soon if you can attack them.

Never ever should be standing in a fop mean you can't get attacked.

I agree with another poster on this thread, stopping to rest is part of the fun because you never know if you might get jumped or not so have to be on the look out. And if you do get jumped well we always feel it's are own fault and we deserved it.

 

[pjuppe]

Seriosly... Our grp got alot of whine killing some hibgrp in a fop resting in the middle of decayed lands (Agramon mob spawn) !!

is it actually possible to have a fight against farils grp without haveing some whine:ing afterwards?

Totally agree.

Find a 'safespot' to rest in.

We have been avoiding groups that is resting in a FoP since we got a little whine från farilsgroup that we engaged them while they were resting in a FoP.
In the other hand we have been engaged several times by groups that is 'resting'.
So from now on we will not back off from enemys that are resting.

It is stupid 'rule' really.

the way it should be.

 

[Lethul]

all these rules are fucking up the game. if you are only allowed to fight when both groups are 100% ready every fight will be close to the same. making it go boring alot faster than if you skip the rules and just fight, add/jumps/RAs down need you to make desicions in the fights much faster and teamplay/coordination is much more required.

think back on your daoc "career", i bet its hardly a fg vs fg fight that is your best memory. its prolly a fight where you first fight one good fg, then get added by 1-2 less good groups and still emerge victorious (or probably even more like its a zergvszerg fight from old old OF ).

 

[censi]

sounds ridiculous to ask for quarter when charging up.

99% on the complaining is just post pwn QQ though imo. its forgotten the next day.

 

[atos]

I think people should stfu about people playing the way they want. Nothing wrong with being a lower RR group jumping a resting high rr group.

 

[Shike]

resting in decayed is a tad.. hmm if a group isnt engaged there, its free to jump imo.

if a group is resting with several rezsick, up on a hill a bit off though, a jump then isnt really gonna lead to a good fight and good fights is the reason to go to agramon is it not? I dont really think its a good fight if we jump a group with 2 RS casters and healers with half powerpool and everything down after a really rough fight. Thats just slaughter and free RPs basically, might aswell go farm solos and duos etc in other zones then, same amount of challenge and "fun". We dont jump resting groups outside of decayed unless its a genuin mistake.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Agree with most of points posted. From my perspective.

Dont rest in open places - still make the effort to get somewhere less conspicous. Its wrong to just rest up in the middle of a busy area because you risk getting jumped, interefering with fights and the flow of traffic around you, and you are resting in a place that gives you a tactical advantage over people who are leaving you. Thats an understandable reason why you get jumped.

Overall, its up to the conscience of individual groups whether they leave people resting or not. Personally, I think giving people enough time to rez, rebuff and repower is a good idea - it's why I thought we were fighting in agramon as fg's - to try and get a reaonably fair fight, without overarching advantages (excepting realm rank). If you derive satisfaction from steamrollering a group that is resting after a hard fought battle then I question why you are in agramon in the first place.

On the flip side, resting groups have a responsibility not to abuse the good will they are being extended by groups that leave them. This means not charging the retreating group down as soon as they run away, not resting in the middle of the action, and not resting for minutes and minutes to get timers back up.

 

[Cromcruaich]

all these rules are fucking up the game. if you are only allowed to fight when both groups are 100% ready every fight will be close to the same. making it go boring alot faster than if you skip the rules and just fight, add/jumps/RAs down need you to make desicions in the fights much faster and teamplay/coordination is much more required.

think back on your daoc "career", i bet its hardly a fg vs fg fight that is your best memory. its prolly a fight where you first fight one good fg, then get added by 1-2 less good groups and still emerge victorious (or probably even more like its a zergvszerg fight from old old OF ).

Overstatement here really. And fg/fg fights are what gives me the most satisfaction playing this game. But its taken a lot of hard work and time to get to a position where we can get the most out of it. Hats off to all new fgs that keep at it.

 

[whitelights]

hmm

:worthy:
Whats going on these days ?

When u roll to the Eras /Beno area and u engage a hibbie FG the chance to get jumped by another Hibgroup is 99%.

So .... what to do ....move agramon thats the solution.

But there we engage an albgroup after a fight who regrouped and is ready to move,... a nice FG hibbies jumps us again after albs killed one of us and we killed one of them before the hibs engaged us ?

So where is the nonadding policy ?

It seems that the ones who setup the rules are also free to break them whenever they like to.

It is seriously starting to give the impression that there is only a certain small bunch of people who claim to have the right to decide who is doing fairplay and who not, these people play the police/judge and hangman.

Altough its more beginning to look like lame excuses for their own mistakes or faultplay.

If u say its not free to engage groups after another fight u will ruin agramon totaly aswell imo.

Resting , moving after fight, and rebuffing is all part of the game , and its still about killing an enemy , or attacking when they are not already fighting i guess?

We had the same in agramon , killed an FG albs , second group albs was roaming in sight, engaged as soon as the last alb died, ok very sorry we had our nice fight agains the first group and the second just respected that , and engaged on the best moment for them to win, nothing wrong with that.

All did it in the past aswell.

I remember the first day agramon event was going and after each fight we finished, Farils group always somehow managed to spot us and engaged on sight .

Anyway as long as hibs /albs /mids zerg around the mainlandkeeps the only option is to go into agramon or other safespots to have 8vs8.

But if also rules are being denied, or changed by certain people to their own benefit or for any reason they can think of,... agramon will also be over in short time .

Whitelights 10L8 healer ML10 soj.
Kima 10L3 SM ML10 conv.
:worthy:

 

[Shike]

arent you in like.. GA?

 

[Andrilyn]

Funny how people keep making these new "rules", seems a bit like my 6 year old cousin who keeps making new rules to certain games so he will win or atleast have his chances of winning increased by alot, it's cute when a 6 year old does it but when seeing 25+ y/o people do it (as the avarage age of DAoC players according to the latest poll was 25) it's just pathetic.
Not to mention the whine you get from not following their selfmade rules, really makes me wonder about certain people..

 

[Shike]

Funny how people keep making these new "rules", seems a bit like my 6 year old cousin who keeps making new rules to certain games so he will win or atleast have his chances of winning increased by alot, it's cute when a 6 year old does it but when seeing 25+ y/o people do it (as the avarage age of DAoC players according to the latest poll was 25) it's just pathetic.
Not to mention the whine you get from not following their selfmade rules, really makes me wonder about certain people..

If that is what you really believe, then you are incredibly naive and stupid. Use your head alil more matey :/ Its no new rule, its just plain and simple courtesy to leave a grp resting if they arent near centrum of the action in Agramon. Its not a set rule, however, read my post further up and you find the reason why its nice to leave a group resting with rezsick people etc. A hint is, what is the prime reason to even go to agramon? Answer that question with a fairplaymind and you can figure it all out.

 

[auroria]

If you start moving, groups will think your ready for a fight, therefor fop to rest power and rebuff is quite usual, its not like you sit in fop for 15 minutes and wait for abilitys come back? And nataljah, i don't think i whine after fights unless engaged while resting or while fighting others, and we'r tolerating quite alot of "mistakes" by certain groups.

blablablabla
:worthy:

Bullshit, albgroup was finishing off the midgrp when you chose to jump them from behind, saw it all from hill we were resting at, so we added on you and pulled off the albs. Im sorry for the comments some of the grp gave you on ventrilo, but thats life.
And if you'r saying that I use radar to get a good jump at you I think your quite silly, I don't really think i need radar to get mezz in at you

and as shike said, you go to agramon to get fair fights, jumping someone while theyre resting doesnt really make them fair, does it?

 

[whitelights]

lol

arent you in like.. GA?

Maybe try to come up with something new, sounds boring, old.
And 8vs8 policy expires when some certain guilds or people / players are involved ?
Lame excuse again but also creating a very dangerous precedent to getting the non add policy in agramon killed.

Keep it up .

 

[whitelights]

If you start moving, groups will think your ready for a fight, therefor fop to rest power and rebuff is quite usual, its not like you sit in fop for 15 minutes and wait for abilitys come back? And nataljah, i don't think i whine after fights unless engaged while resting or while fighting others, and we'r tolerating quite alot of "mistakes" by certain groups.



Bullshit, albgroup was finishing off the midgrp when you chose to jump them from behind, saw it all from hill we were resting at, so we added on you and pulled off the albs. Im sorry for the comments some of the grp gave you on ventrilo, but thats life.
And if you'r saying that I use radar to get a good jump at you I think your quite silly, I don't really think i need radar to get mezz in at you

and as shike said, you go to agramon to get fair fights, jumping someone while theyre resting doesnt really make them fair, does it?

Mids were all killed , and albgroup was moving, and like i said in my post they also killed us after we got the last alb down in a previous fight.

But as u say it urself there farils u did ADD.

And now u profile urself as the one who is to decide when he can ADD or when not, while there is a Total nonADD policy in agramon? Or am i wrong here can we now add when we FEEL for it or when WE THINK there is something unfair going?

 

[whitelights]

And

Saying that u managed to jump us after a fight is not saying that u use radar at all.

 

[Shike]

Maybe try to come up with something new, sounds boring, old.
And 8vs8 policy expires when some certain guilds or people / players are involved ?
Lame excuse again but also creating a very dangerous precedent to getting the non add policy in agramon killed.

Keep it up .

but it is true is it not? You guys have instaadded on us on sight EVERY SINGLE TIME, (almost, if you are out running) EVERY SINGLE EVENING we have been out in RvR ever since Durka started to run some weeks ago. Im not joking man, you guys are a standing joke, a night of RvR isnt complete without GAadds, thats how it is. We wont add on you on Agra though since we respect the rules and we hardly ever add outside agra either, simply because we dont need to.

However, you are the last person to come whining about anything that is even remotely related to adds or unfair jumps or whatever. You have just burned your bridges too many fucking times. It would be like if Horner came on FH whining about people adding on him, it would be the friggin joke of the century, thats how low ranked you guys actually are because of your idiotic behaviour, especially since you lot are highrealmranks awell ontop of it all. Every time another hibgrp add if we fight you we get a PM from em that goes like:

Sorry guys but its GA, we only added because its them.

That says it all really. So kindly, fuck off and keep on paying your subs asshat.

 

[Andrilyn]

If that is what you really believe, then you are incredibly naive and stupid. Use your head alil more matey :/ Its no new rule, its just plain and simple courtesy to leave a grp resting if they arent near centrum of the action in Agramon. Its not a set rule, however, read my post further up and you find the reason why its nice to leave a group resting with rezsick people etc.

Wow ain't you bitter and angry this Monday morning, just reread your last few post and see what I mean.
I really couldn't care less for people making these rules to "enhance the game that's dying" but those are the same people that tell people to "die irl" and "fuck off you fucking ****" when those people do not follow the rules those people made, wonder how that enhances the game..

Your problem is you want everyone to agree to the rules you and the little community your in makes, well news flash, not everyone wants to play how you like to play and you can either accept that or keep on being bitter and angry at those people and eventually getting banned if you cross the line with the insults.
And just to finish it off with a classic one; Well do what you want it's your account and you pay the subs for it etc.

what is the prime reason to even go to agramon? Answer that question with a fairplaymind and you can figure it all out.

Prime reason to go to Agramon was (according to some people and some hypocrits) to have a "fair" 8v8, shame how fast people break their own rules when the situation suits itself.
I think you have no problem steamrolling a low RR group and think "hey atleast we won it fair as it was 8v8".

P.S also please explain to me how I can see if someone is rez sick if that person is not in my group, most people get 2-3 PR's and if more than 2-3 people die it's game over for that group anyway(most of the time) so even if they would be rez sick it's a rare sight to have multiple rez sickness in a group.

 

[whitelights]

but it is true is it not? You guys have instaadded on us on sight EVERY SINGLE TIME, EVERY SINGLE EVENING we have been out in RvR ever since Durka started to run some weeks ago. Im not joking man, you guys are a standing joke, a night of RvR isnt complete without GAadds, thats how it is. We wont add on you on Agra though since we respect the rules and we hardly ever add outside agra either, simply because we dont need to.

However, you are the last person to come whining about anything that is even remotely related to adds or unfair jumps or whatever. You have just burned your bridges too many fucking times. It would be like if Horner came on FH whining about people adding on him, it would be the friggin joke of the century, thats how low ranked you guys actually are because of your idiotic behaviour, especially since you lot are highrealmranks awell ontop of it all. Every time another hibgrp add if we fight you we get a PM from em that goes like:


Sorry guys but its GA, we only added because its them.

That says it all really. So kindly, fuck off and keep on paying your subs asshat.

Why u even bother we all know how ur thinking already , and we all know ur exuses already since long time now so / maybe make some standard form for it to spam FH from time to time .
Saves u time thx for your nice input into this topic .
verry nice indeed.

 

[auroria]

And now u profile urself as the one who is to decide when he can ADD or when not, while there is a Total nonADD policy in agramon? Or am i wrong here can we now add when we FEEL for it or when WE THINK there is something unfair going?

I decided i could add on you cause you assraped that albgrp from behind while fighting. Apparently they would have killed you easy anyway, as they pm'd me on irc saying later, but anyway, try to engage us instead on hill, instead of a grp in combat!

whats pissyellow(red) is dead! for agramon!

 

[Cromcruaich]

Woa, woa, you're all talking yourselves into vendettas.

Amoung the past posts, dont we all agree that we go to agramon for fair fights, and part of having a fair fight is letting a group recover from rez sick, get power pool and get rebuffed?

Its not a rule that is being dictated, its just what I thought we'd all want to do? I personally derive more satisfaction from a fight well fought and lost than a fight where weve just steam rollered a group thats just finished a fight 3 seconds ago. Surely thats how we all feel?

On GA, well personally, in agramon and fg area theyve mostly respected NFD fights which I thank them for. On adding in agramon and fights in general, mistakes do happen, not least because at times where group spots have to be filled with other people, then you get the odd trigger happy individual, and from there things can rapidly degenerate. But lets all keep giving each other the benefit of the doubt, and get that surrender emote bound to a key

peace y'all.

 

[Shike]

Wow ain't you bitter and angry this Monday morning, just reread your last few post and see what I mean.
I really couldn't care less for people making these rules to "enhance the game that's dying" but those are the same people that tell people to "die irl" and "fuck off you fucking ****" when those people do not follow the rules those people made, wonder how that enhances the game..

Its monday, im always grumpy on Mondays Rest of this section really has nothing to do with Agramon and the question in topic at all I think. I never tell ppl to die irl, however, I have no problem with telling some idiots to fuck off, its not often I do it but I do it sometimes, its nothing Im ashamed of either and I have nothing to hide, I play as fair as I can and I abide what I preach as much as I possibly can. We are all humans and make mistakes however, I wish I was perfect but I aint!

Your problem is you want everyone to agree to the rules you and the little community your in makes, well news flash, not everyone wants to play how you like to play and you can either accept that or keep on being bitter and angry at those people and eventually getting banned if you cross the line with the insults.
And just to finish it off with a classic one; Well do what you want it's your account and you pay the subs for it etc.

No, no, no. That is not what I want, I wish for people that goes to agramon to not add, rather not jump resting groups in offset places. If one rests in decayed lands one is FFA imo since its the worst possible place to rest, everyone in that area is tense and jumpy and well, its basically just a big sign saying: HI WE LOOK FOR TROUBLE! And tbh, I think Agra works just fine, I havent had much problems there ever. Those who go to agramon is hopefully looking for an addfree fun good fight, if one is searching for something else, there are plenty of zones to be a dickhead in with other dickheads. Not hard to grasp that, even if one is paying the subs etc.

Prime reason to go to Agramon was (according to some people and some hypocrits) to have a "fair" 8v8, shame how fast people break their own rules when the situation suits itself.
I think you have no problem steamrolling a low RR group and think "hey atleast we won it fair as it was 8v8".

Hihi, have you seen the RRs in our guildgroup? First times we went there we got so pwnd its nuts :> We lacked RR's really bad and we hadnt gotten our shit together either at all (hint, rr3+agra=pain, serious pain!). We aint a rr10grp steamrolling everything we see, last week we had more rr5s in the group than above rr5. Dont assume stuff man :/ Pretty much every grp we meet out there is higher rank than us. Surprise eh? Oh and for the ppl going agra beeing hypocrites and whatnot.. dno who you point at tbh, maybe some are but you generalise far too much now imo.

P.S also please explain to me how I can see if someone is rez sick if that person is not in my group, most people get 2-3 PR's and if more than 2-3 people die it's game over for that group anyway(most of the time) so even if they would be rez sick it's a rare sight to have multiple rez sickness in a group.

Ofc you cant see if someone is rezsick but..

Say you are roaming agramon, you see lots of deathspams from a fight, a rough fight in other words, chanses are, that grp will have _everything_ down and probably some rezsicks too. Ive been in fights where ive died 7-8 times and we have still gone winning or loosing, some fights last over 10-12 minutes (hi maelstrom haha), loots of people have time to die in 10min, trust me. If you jump that group its like jumping a rr1group in rogs, thats how fast the fight will go

You cannot see deathspam if two opposing realms are fighting ofc, if you see a group sitting high up on a hilltop at a fop, why even bother to jump em? Roam around 1-2 min more and pass again and see if they have moved, if so, take up a fun chase and hunt em down and have a good fight with a group that is fully ready to take you on, if not, keep on roaming. RPhornyness isnt what should drive agramon to be a good place, the urge for good fights should be. (actually RPs are worse in agra than roaming other places mostly)

 

[Arethir]

Just keep it going the way it is imo VERY rarely get jumped in bad spots in agramon, and when we do it's usually only by rog groups who haven't played in agramon before. Working as intended! And it's very well

 

[Prudil]

Atleast move up the hills on the edges in Decayed Lands, so its obvious you're resting and dont want to be engaged. Sit down etc. Takes 10 sec to move to a "safe spot".

Resting in the midle of decayed lands is silly and will cause more misunderstandings wich again will cause more whine and in the end grps will loose respect for the "agramon code of conduct" and the whole concept will fall apart.

^^imo