[Football] Transfers

[soze]

Arsenal seem to be having a hard time at the moement Flamini leaving is bad but it has nothing to do with football he has left for money and with a wage structure not much we can do about that.

What i do not get is why Wenger is so keen on keeping Helb 2 League goals and 7 League assists does not scream must keep player for me. I would rather he offered Flamini more and let Helb leave. Fingers crossed Senderos and Eboue leave and are replaced then i will be happy.

 

[leviathane]

Idd can't believe Flamini left us, and tbh it's not like he's gonna see much first team action. He's going into a position which has Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and even Seedorf. We offered £55k a week i mean thats still alot of fckign money.
Hleb seems to be in talks with Inter atm aswell so will have to see what happens there.

 

[Aoami]

Ambrosini is past it.

Milans midfield next season is likely to Flamini, Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf and Kaka - with Pato up top. Flamini will give them the legs that they lack.

As for Hleb, i agree he is over-rated i'd get rid of him. Try and bring in Diego from Werder to replace him.

 

[soze]

Idd can't believe Flamini left us, and tbh it's not like he's gonna see much first team action. He's going into a position which has Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini and even Seedorf. We offered £55k a week i mean thats still alot of fckign money.
Hleb seems to be in talks with Inter atm aswell so will have to see what happens there.

It always hurts to lose a good player but we are not in a posistion to offer the same money. And looking at the fact he came to us in a similar way im not surprised really.

 

[cHodAX]

I am struggling to understand why so few Arsenal fans are bothered about Hleb leaving, his close ball control is top draw an whilst he might not score that many he plays a huge part in your buildup play. Flamini is a real loss as well, his hard work is what allows Fabregas to express himself and that isn't going to be easy to replace. Now you have Adebayor demanding £80,000 which breaks the wage structure, if you aren't careful he is going so start looking to engineer a move as well. Frankly the Arsenal wage structure is a joke, you cannot hang onto the best players and be paying them 25%-50% less than they could earn elsewhere. Arsenal are a very rich club now and turning huge profits but if they aren't careful they risk breaking up what would have developed into a great side.

 

[soze]

Helb is replaceable thats why i do not see the big deal. I do not want him to leave but if it happens i still think Flamini leaving will be the bigger blow. Agree with Flamini but looks like Wenger will want Diaby to step up. Arsenal are a business we cant afford to pay more than we get coming in its that simple you fold to 1 player you get 5 more wanting silly money. 4 contracts for 4 or 5 years have committed you to 90 million pounds that is ridiculous. Also Adebayor has come out rubbishing reports he is unhappy and seeing as Cesc earns over that if he is our main striker there is a chance he will get it. Henry earned over 100k.

 

[Lethul]

I am struggling to understand why so few Arsenal fans are bothered about Hleb leaving, his close ball control is top draw an whilst he might not score that many he plays a huge part in your buildup play. Flamini is a real loss as well, his hard work is what allows Fabregas to express himself and that isn't going to be easy to replace. Now you have Adebayor demanding £80,000 which breaks the wage structure, if you aren't careful he is going so start looking to engineer a move as well. Frankly the Arsenal wage structure is a joke, you cannot hang onto the best players and be paying them 25%-50% less than they could earn elsewhere. Arsenal are a very rich club now and turning huge profits but if they aren't careful they risk breaking up what would have developed into a great side.

Agree, Hleb is Arsenals 2 or 3d best player imo. Then again I haven't seen as much footy as you guys. But the arsenal games I've seen every dangerous attack has gone through Hleb in one way or another.

 

[Corran]

Well according to his agent that Hleb quitting arsenal now, just the paperwork to complete and it be done at the end of the season, and Arsenal get a mesily 3million for him. Like him or not, in todays market he would probably fetch 3 times that.

I thought Hleb was good in the buildup, but wasnt a standout player due to the way he goes. No doubt though Flamini is the big loss. Ade deserves to be on more money, he knows he can get it else where and will push to leave at the end of next season if he doesnt get in excess of 50k (imo).

2 players on over 50k, Gallas and Fabby. Well ade deserves it alot more then gallas in my opinion and it no wonder he pushing for a rise.
Arsenal use the debts etc as an excuse. They go on about how there a massive transfer budget if wenger wants it, however he doesnt spend it so sure they can use this to hold onto their best players. If they dont start taking care with contracts they will be relying on kids again and fall of the pace for a few years. I fear it will be a constant cycle as they are not willing to use the extra income from the stadium where it is most needed.

 

[Shagrat]

Aquilani is one of the players that Wengers interested in bringing in to replace midfield losses this close season apparently

 

[soze]

Arsenal use the debts etc as an excuse. They go on about how there a massive transfer budget if wenger wants it, however he doesnt spend it so sure they can use this to hold onto their best players. If they dont start taking care with contracts they will be relying on kids again and fall of the pace for a few years. I fear it will be a constant cycle as they are not willing to use the extra income from the stadium where it is most needed.

Can't agree there i think what they are doing is the best thing concentrating on paying off the stadium debt as soon as possible. The money in football now might not stay there forever.

Flamini is a big loss but 4 mil and 60k a week its ok for a new player but as a contract extension we do that every player will try the same trick. I don't like Gallas much in an ideal world we will buy Richards and sell him. Ade should get 60 k and another rise if he improves again next year.

 

[Wonk]

Hleb is the most skilled Arsenal player (there, i've said ti.

 

[Aoami]

Can't agree there i think what they are doing is the best thing concentrating on paying off the stadium debt as soon as possible. The money in football now might not stay there forever.

Flamini is a big loss but 4 mil and 60k a week its ok for a new player but as a contract extension we do that every player will try the same trick. I don't like Gallas much in an ideal world we will buy Richards and sell him. Ade should get 60 k and another rise if he improves again next year.

I agree. My team Southampton decided to spend big after we'd built our new stadium, and we avoided relegation to league 1 on the last day. I know it's not quite the same for Arsenal, as they're a much bigger club, but this time 5 years ago we were playing them in the FA cup final!

 

[Raven]

Can't wait for next season, Northampton will go up and English teams will stomp all over Europe again!

 

[Marc]

Flamini shit on his old club too when he moved to Arse. Im sure the manager of Marseille at the time called him a traitor or something similar lol

 

[cHodAX]

Flamini shit on his old club too when he moved to Arse. Im sure the manager of Marseille at the time called him a traitor or something similar lol

I think you might be right, I do remember something along those lines. No suprise though I guess, football is full of mercenaries these days.

 

[cog]

Hleb is the most skilled Arsenal player (there, i've said ti.

Definitely very underrated, cant understand why people are so blase about losing him. Would be a big big hurt to see him go.

 

[leviathane]

Well I personally love him, don't want him to go, but end of the day money talks.

 

[Marc]

Hleb is quality

 

[Wonk]

they should really keep shleb as he's way better htan the rest, He is so skileld its almost unbelievable that he can do the things eh does.

 

[soze]

Flamini shit on his old club too when he moved to Arse. Im sure the manager of Marseille at the time called him a traitor or something similar lol

100% correct thats why i said im not surprised.

The helb thing he is saying he wants to leave thats is why i think screw him why try to keep a player that has said he wants to leave. No ask for a new contract he has just said he wants to leave.

 

[Shagrat]

Let's face it. No matter how good a player is, if he's saying he doesnt want to play for you anymore then you might as well get rid. No passion, no player....

 

[Lethul]

Inter might be interesting next season. Instead of their walking footy they play now

 

[Vladamir]

Seems that Chelsea may have swiped Bosignwa out from under United's nose according to today's reports.

 

[Litmus]

Seems that Chelsea may have swiped Bosignwa out from under United's nose according to today's reports.

what a suprise, chelsea snipeing man utd's priotiry signings

 

[Corran]

what a suprise, chelsea snipeing man utd's priotiry signings

well if all goes well that the only thing they gonna swipe from us... the trophies be back at OT where they all belong

Besides, he hasnt signed a contract with united yet, so i doubt they done anything. They will wait till they can offer him more money to breach a contract :touch:

 

[Everz]

Freddy Eastwood to Cardiff for 2.5million... laughing all the way to the bank

 

[Hawkwind]

I am struggling to understand why so few Arsenal fans are bothered about Hleb leaving, his close ball control is top draw an whilst he might not score that many he plays a huge part in your buildup play. Flamini is a real loss as well, his hard work is what allows Fabregas to express himself and that isn't going to be easy to replace. Now you have Adebayor demanding £80,000 which breaks the wage structure, if you aren't careful he is going so start looking to engineer a move as well. Frankly the Arsenal wage structure is a joke, you cannot hang onto the best players and be paying them 25%-50% less than they could earn elsewhere. Arsenal are a very rich club now and turning huge profits but if they aren't careful they risk breaking up what would have developed into a great side.

I'm worried Cho, I don't think he's at all overrated. Your totally correct in my eyes. He's a great player at getting round defenders. Excellent close control. He just needs to get his confidence up and shoot a bit more. We need another Perez, although not the diving. Just someone who can get in the box and create problems and get goals, Krancjar (sp?) might be a good option.

Still not convinced about Ade sometimes he has moments of pure brillance and other times he has the ball control of a pregnant giraffe. He's good but, certainly not top draw.

As Soze stated if Eboue and Senderos go I'll be happy. Can't blame Flamini for going, in his position any of us would have taken the money. He only has a couple of years left. Arsenal resurected him but he is right to look out for himself.

 

[soze]

For everyone who wants to keep him the boss says Helb is going no where.

"Look, [apart from Lehmann] there is one player who is free," the 58-year-old. "He has already left. For me, 98 per cent of the squad will be here next season. And the two per cent have already gone.

"The rest are all under contract. If anybody wants to buy a player he has to call me. I can give you my number if you want because maybe some ignore that I have a phone.

"What is unbelievable is I’m sitting here [at the press conference and it is] like we have killed all the players. Yet when I go to my office I have 220 calls from players who want to come in."

It has been suggested that Hleb may employ the new Webster clause and buy out his own contract.

"That is not as simple as it looks," retorted Wenger. "And you should not forget that what players can do to us we can do to them.

"The Webster clause is not easy, you can't come in next day and buy out. There is no rule that says what it is all about.

"You have to go to a tribunal and then to FIFA and if you don't agree with FIFA [you] have to go to ACAS. It takes a lot of months. And you can be banned for the whole period if it is not done in a proper way."

 

[Corran]

Actually to me that reads "He is going to leave, but I am going to do everything I can to make it as awkward as possible because I am a miserable c*** and even though we wont pay players what they are worth we wont let them go somewhere they can even though there is a legal way in which they can make the move."

This is just spite, the simple fact is there is a court approved ruling that allows him to move, if Hleb wants it to happen then it will. Even if the transfer market is closed when this is done he will still be able to move as he would be a free agent and there a much longer transfer period in regards to these.

Why keep a player that doesnt want to play, I do not know. Maybe he will do a gallas and threaten to score own goals etc (apparently)

 

[Imgormiel]

I am going to place £1 on Newcastle taking Crouch. They always take our rejects :s