[RANT] Fix the fucking WE's!

Discussion in 'Warhammer' started by Penlid, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. Penlid

    Penlid Fledgling Freddie

    This class is most ridicoulus class in a game, and i can't believe there are not really any noteworthy patches coming which nerf them, they really need it.

    Their damage output is just sick, no other class ingame can acheive this.

    Exin is the name your looking for in the pics
     

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  2. Mabs

    Mabs J Peasemould Gruntfuttock

    i see crits and finishing moves

    what lvl is he ?
    what lvl are you ?
    what gear is he wearing?
    what gear are you wearing ?

    i could run around naked in T4 getting killed by people, and putting up screenies crying about their dps aswell

    numbers dont mean shit without a control and more info


    nice try tho
     
  3. Penlid

    Penlid Fledgling Freddie

    You play destruction, you do not understand how frustrating it is to play order and be steamrolled 6k hp in 5 seconds by a WE.
     
  4. ramathorn

    ramathorn Fledgling Freddie

    they should be able to kill cloth very quickly, i do however agree that how they kill anything with heavier armour needs to be looked at, but in all honesty, until they fix bright wizards, i hope they stay as rediculous as they are.
     
  5. Mishy

    Mishy One of Freddy's beloved

    Is this a joke? the same thing happens to every destruction class who goes up against a BW.

    Class balance is out of whack, it needs fixing, but its not just a destruction issue.
     
  6. dee777

    dee777 Loyal Freddie

    Is there a bug with the timestamping system? I dont quite see how anyone could attack 6 times in the same second. o_O
     
  7. Jeros

    Jeros Part of the furniture

    Good point.

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    not saying it is, just wanted to post that pic :p
     
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  8. Skaven

    Skaven Can't get enough of FH

    The balance in this game is fucked, it has been since launch. For example, WE's should not be able to take down a heavy tank without breaking a sweat - yeah by all means theirs no reason why with good skill they can't kill one, but not by the ridiculous speed at which they currently do. But like other people have said, its not just exclusively limited to certain classes, BW's are fucked and do need nerfing somewhat to bring them in line with sorc's.

    I still can't quite understand how a morale ability for we's/wh's that deals 1200 damage is at level one, quite retarded considering how easy it is to build 1 bar of morale in a 1v1 fight, that wants moving up the morale chain for both we's and wh's - either that or make it so armor is taken into effect when that ability is used rather than it just being a set 1200 damage regardless.
     
  9. Roo Stercogburn

    Roo Stercogburn Resident Freddy

    I'm not going to argue about Witch Elves in particular and I'm going to try not to be drawn into the obvious comeback regarding Order classes which need some judicious balancing.

    Lets just say that Mythic have a few things to sort out on both sides.

    Saying Destruction don't know the frustration is perhaps not the best choice of words because we also have a few things to put up with until they are balanced.
     
  10. Flimgoblin

    Flimgoblin It's my birthday today!

  11. Mabs

    Mabs J Peasemould Gruntfuttock

    im no WE expert, but isnt that stabby-stabby + dots/kisses etc ticking ?


    my original point stands however, and also can i add LOLS @ the order having a hard time of it
     
  12. Turamber

    Turamber FH is my second home

    It is good to see the spirit of DAoC is alive and well :m00:


    PS. Nerf Witch Elves, thanks!
     
  13. Rub

    Rub One of Freddy's beloved

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  14. Fefner

    Fefner Can't get enough of FH

    They defo needs a nerf of somekind, if i have any melee type class on me, i can put up my absorb shield, my 25% melee shield up and debuff them so they do 50% less damage to me as long as i dont attack them and i am fine to a point....BUT if i do that against a WE they kill me just as fast with all the debuffs and shields up, it just does not work out. Im not saying they shouldnt kill me, im saying that with the debuff on them and shields on me, they shouldnt kill me as fast.
     
  15. Cylian

    Cylian Fledgling Freddie

    They've nerfed DAoCs Stealthers into the ground. Then they make even stronger stealthers in their new game. Why can a WE (and WH) Stealth while running in a straight line for me getting tickled with all sorts of arrows?
     
  16. Septima

    Septima Fledgling Freddie

    What can a WE do than a WH can't? And i have to admit, in T3 i took down IB's in 5 secs. I was rank 31 and they were sub rank 23, but who's counting...
     
  17. Ezeine

    Ezeine Loyal Freddie

    Give LA nerf tbh!

    That would shut up the whiners.
     
  18. dee777

    dee777 Loyal Freddie

    Thanks for the info. I can see where the two puncture hits and the autoattack hit come from now. However I still fail to understand why enfeebling strike procs three times in the same second. BTW, it also procs a second later and it also procced two seconds earlier. Maybe some kind of weird lag issue?
     
  19. dee777

    dee777 Loyal Freddie

    All DPS questions aside, I cant understand that, too. It seems stealth wont break on damage, be it ticking DoTs or splash AE damage. Seems a bit unreasonable to me.
     
  20. Mr_Grumpy

    Mr_Grumpy Fledgling Freddie

    Stealth doesnt last long tho and when it drops the user has less than full AP bar due to drain from stealthing. Its also impossible using this system to be killed one shot and never see who hit you.



    On the WE side, theres soemthing wrong when the games own servers cant keep up with the damage out put. I can kill a bitch elf and then watch as my combat log continues to fill with melee strikes (along with super duper sound effects!) and finally kill me.

    This happens a lot to me when im 1v1, for example. Its no one else near me and it never happens with other classes when they kill me.

    All told bitch elfes should all be given weedgies !! :flame:
     
  21. Caylan Raal

    Caylan Raal Fledgling Freddie

    They are in all honesty very simular.

    WE Suffering pretty much simular to WH Inquisition
    WE Treachery Pretty much simular to WH Judgment

    But tbh WE's are the better class suited to melee dps(Carhage vs confession). Their Melee path compared to the WH is just better - or to be more to the point - the execution in the witch hunters' melee path is utter shite :) - Trial by pain requires concentration to be kept - WE equivelent doesnt. That in itself is a massive dp bonus for the WE that WH's lack if they spec confession.
    The WE abilities also tend to lower opponents stats quite considerably, which coupled with damage dealth helps quite a bit - no stat decrease in WH armory.

    Theres also the whole whiney whine we need ballistic skill :D But tbh at level 40 you end up with a decent amount of BS without added points to items.

    Its just knit picking really - no massive difference, but i do think ruthless assault far outweights Trial by Pain.
     
  22. Urgat

    Urgat Part of the furniture

    What happened...

    I have a witch elf...

    What happened is this...



    1 - You were popped on by a stealthed Witch elf.

    2- He used Enfeebling strike. (For the next 15 seconds, everytime you move you take lots of damage)

    3- He used Kiss of death. (All of the WE attacks have a 25% (or 50% with the correct tactic) chance of proccing damage and redusing your healing output by 45%

    4- Agonizing wound spam followed by Finisher move and a rank 1 morale ability. (Agonising wound is ignoring armour, so he is either behind you, or has fired the any time positional attack buff.

    5- you tried to run away, and killed yourself via the damage from Enfeebling strike every time you move.


    Couple of things to note here...

    1 - Do NOT try to run from a witch elf when you have a green glowy effect on you. You have more chance if you stop moving, detaunt, and try to heal through the initial spike. If you survive the first few seconds, she will be out of AP, and your home and dry.

    2 - Witch hunters can do EXACTLY the same thing.

    Witch elves (and witch hunters) are designed to MAUL other classes if they find them solo, or manage to pick them off.

    Text book example of how to shred a support class tbh.

    Learn from it. And move on.
     
  23. Xandax

    Xandax Loyal Freddie

    Can we use this for BW class balance complains as well?



    Oh I forgot - when it is Order classes they should be nerfed, but when it is Destruction classes "people" should just learn to play.
     
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  24. Gahn

    Gahn Resident Freddy

    Is not supposed to happen exactly yhe same thing against an heavy tank tho, the class needs to get looked at, no shit here.
     
  25. Urgat

    Urgat Part of the furniture

    it does

    Sorry, but it does.

    For example... On my WE I cannot get near a BW that is spamming the pbae...

    damage while stealthed, unstealths me. end of story.

    Also... further up, someone asks how "Enfeebling strike" fires 3 times in a second.

    That is because it is movment triggered damage. Once applied to the target, if the target moves, they are damaged... it is easyily possible for me to simply drop this attack on an inexperienced player, then simply chase them without hitting them again whilst they kill themselves by moving around.
     
  26. Urgat

    Urgat Part of the furniture

    If you can find ONE post from me complaining about a class in this game, i will delete my toons, and go play hello kitty online.

    I cannot count the number of times i have been instagibbed by BW DOTs, yet i have NEVER EVER complained about them.

    They do what they do, So do Witch elves, (and by extension... Witch hunters.. since they are EXACT mirrors)


    I, unlike many others, acceot the fact that this game is NOT balanced for 1v1, or even 6v6. IT always has, and always will be, a masive RVR game, and is balanced as such.

    IN the grand scheme of the zerg... one witch elf... or one BW is irrelevant. Its how the armies work together that counts.
     
  27. Urgat

    Urgat Part of the furniture

    Interesting you compare the straight up "melee" specs... I have honestly found that my WE is FAR more dangerous now that i have started using the Trechery tree (combined with certain tactics and self buffs)
     
  28. Skaven

    Skaven Can't get enough of FH

    I woulden't consider an IB a support class, they're getting equally as raped by them as any other class.
     
  29. Gahn

    Gahn Resident Freddy


    Think it boils more down to the point that, no matter if you got a DoT on you, it seems that after some time, they can restealth anyway.
     
  30. Urgat

    Urgat Part of the furniture

    yup


    I meant that particular pair of screen shots was a text book example of how to shred a supprt class.

    As for IB's... yup i can beat IB's as well on my WE... but i think that is down to my unusual spec tbh...

    Interestingly... i dont have trouble with WH's on my Blorc (brawler, with 2hander)

    Dunno if thats down to bad WH's, or maybe the classes arent exact mirrors... can WH's spec to pretty much ignore armour like i have on my WE?
     

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