Fix midgard thread!

[Novamir]

omg fu fo my avatar

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by Arnor
I hit a caster yesterday for 150dmg mainhand with backstyle, they used no ra's or anything. Do I whine? do I come here and cry?

Show some prof. that you only made 150dmg mainhand with backstyle - kthx

And yes you whine - you whine a lot.

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

agreed with everything, not sure about the ichor root thingy tho.
the disease immunity timer is a must tbh x[

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by old.anubis
i think the game is balanced
apart from some minor things i can live with

Don't need privat detectives to guess what realm you play without reading your sig.

 

[etcetra]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

Its not main-CC if it has 2 insta heals. :|

 

[etcetra]

And btw! The last year ns's and infils have evaded 85 outta 96 slams!

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Zarko
Show some prof. that you only made 150dmg mainhand with backstyle - kthx

And yes you whine - you whine a lot.

1st in parry chain


unstyled



parry chain is on arms, unstyled on a necro.

I rest my case, but ill take a screenie next time i hit for 150 with backstyles hoe.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Re: Re: Fix midgard thread!

Originally posted by etcetra
Its not main-CC if it has 2 insta heals. :|

You can get the best insta AoE-stun and 2 insta-heals.

And most pac-healers go probably 44 pac/30mend which gives insta-heals and spreadheal.

And 44 pac = main-CC

 

[llixeraxu]

Originally posted by old.Zarko
Show some prof. that you only made 150dmg mainhand with backstyle - kthx

And yes you whine - you whine a lot.

It was on me!!

 

[StormriderX]

Just a word bout evade caps.

50% cap = for that round. Not for the entire fight - just for that round.

So its just bad luck that he ended up evading all your attacks :x

 

[Wuren]

I'm a bit curios, does anyone NOT playing a savage think they are balanced?

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Acun
Yes m8..it takes some time to realize its nothing wrong with ur char its U thats the prob...you simply dont know how to play it....then at a point u thinking a skillz and tactics HAS something to do with this game and u learn.

Bring on the Thanes or what?

A class with the best damage output AND the best defensive is clearly a fuck up. It's nothing wrong with my char, actually id say that the 3 heavy tanks (Hero, Armsman and Warrior) are the most balanced classes.

Some classes needs a look at, mostly casters due to the high resists system and Bard's need uninteruptable end.

 

[Aussie-]

whats your point arnor
<looks at chat>
anytimes styles do 3x more dmg in mid then positional styles? xD
skald outdmg a pure tank? xD

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Wuren
I'm a bit curios, does anyone NOT playing a savage think they are balanced?

Me.

Savages are fine.

Edit: Infact, they could do with dropping the hp pen.

 

[old.Nol]

1. Nerf determination, it's a tanks version of see hidden and needs to be seriously toned down.

2. Nerf super resists.

3. Nerf interupts.

4. Nerf AOE stun

 

[old.Nol]

It's really funny is how many mids reckon savages are fine, but are stumbling over each other to roll them and have them in their groups.

Wait a few months, pretty soon you going to have your own realmies calling for nerfs because they can no longer get groups because of the savage infestation.

"I don't care because I will be playing (insert random game) THEN!!!!1!"

 

[old.Ramas]

To be fair to the mids, bringing their overpowered classes into line is going to cause problems, because the non-overpowered classes have real problems.

Thanes in particular still appear to be the primary mez-cure class of alb and hib.

 

[arrakeen]

Originally posted by old.Nol
It's really funny is how many mids reckon savages are fine, but are stumbling over each other to roll them and have them in their groups.

Wait a few months, pretty soon you going to have your own realmies calling for nerfs because they can no longer get groups because of the savage infestation.

"I don't care because I will be playing (insert random game) THEN!!!!1!"

Allrdy impossible to get Groups

And yes nerf savages plz!

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by Novamir

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)

The healer is easy to fix....

1) Apply to nerf to healer so that....

Smite Cleric is to Eldritch
as
Pac Healer is to Sorceror

For reference this means that just as a smite cleric as 60odd % of the effectiveness of a cloth nuker, the pac healer will have 60odd% of then effectiveness of a sorc (as opposed to the current 150-180%).

Now,

2) Take either of the Bonedancer's spec lines that aren't Suppression, it doesn't matter which because nobody specs either one, and delete it, then take sorc mind, swap out the pet charm for the bonedancer pet summons that were in the deleted BD line and copy the result into this new spec.

Problem solved. Because apparently, bolt range mez is uber .

3) Laugh as the mids continue to spec suppression on BDers and then wonder why they have no cc.

This will of course, never happen.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Re: Re: Fix midgard thread!

Originally posted by old.Ramas
The healer is easy to fix....

1) Apply to nerf to healer so that....

Smite Cleric is to Eldritch
as
Pac Healer is to Sorceror

For reference this means that just as a smite cleric as 60odd % of the effectiveness of a cloth nuker, the pac healer will have 60odd% of then effectiveness of a sorc (as opposed to the current 150-180%).

Now,

2) Take either of the Bonedancer's spec lines that aren't Suppression, it doesn't matter which because nobody specs either one, and delete it, then take sorc mind, swap out the pet charm for the bonedancer pet summons that were in the deleted BD line and copy the result into this new spec.

Problem solved. Because apparently, bolt range mez is uber .

3) Laugh as the mids continue to spec suppression on BDers and then wonder why they have no cc.

This will of course, never happen.

what?

 

[phule_gubben]

Originally posted by Wuren
I'm a bit curios, does anyone NOT playing a savage think they are balanced?

I deleted my Savage to get a lvl 20 hunter

And they should get some fixing yes.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Wuren
I'm a bit curios, does anyone NOT playing a savage think they are balanced?

i never played savage (past lvl 6) and never will again
but still think they are fine

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Aussie-
whats your point arnor
<looks at chat>
anytimes styles do 3x more dmg in mid then positional styles? xD
skald outdmg a pure tank? xD

with that dmg he did, he has 50quick and 5.5spd hammer i htink. I have 200 quick and 3.5 speed from wpns, someone do my attackspeed.

He uses anytime, lvl 6 taunt style, has about 6-7 less then me in wpnspec etc etc etc, besides the point really.

But, im not complaining about zerk dmg now, since this is more or less what mercs/bm's have been doing since release.

That said, I am pissed that my damage with styles vary from about 150 mainhand to about 350 (my cap with backchain) with 66 a/la and relic bonus to make sure im close to cap afaik.

Give me consistency or give me death!


(or, now that we are on par more or less, flurry and increased bleed and shieldspec)

 

[kirennia]

Can't beleive some people (ALL OF WHICH ARE MIDS) can't see that a character with the best attack damage AND the best defence is blatently wrong.

As for people saying its all 1337 skillz or whatever, if armsmen hit for 3000 dmg a shot at 0.1 weapon speed, that isn't the player being good, its the class being overpowered.

By that I don't mean savages do this kind of damage, I'm just trying to point out that yes, to some degree, you can cope but enough is enough, when the enemy hits for almost DOUBLE the damage of your realms main tanks and has better defence, it starts to get a tad bit hard to compete properly....

 

[Garnet]

Even when savages do get nerfed it wont be patched here for at least another 6 months. So 6 months more of nerf savages whines....sigh

 

[infozwerg]

i never played a savage, been hit by savages a lot, played with savages in groups, played without savages in groups.

there is no difference whatsoever in effectiveness from savages to mercs to zerks to blademasters. sure, dualwielders are overpowered but there is no real difference except savage got 4 sec stun style where others have pf. pf is far worse.

whats really overpowering is good support. enough support in a group and support played by good players.

so stop whining about savage groups. whine about healer groups!

but then, healer groups are not overpowered as you whiners could just make cleric groups and druid groups. your own fault for not playing up to your realms possibilities. go ahead, roll more heros/chanters/mercs/fotms and play with insufficent or incompetent support.

 

[loxleyhood]

Hey, you just can't steal somebody's avatar, it confuses people.

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by infozwerg
there is no difference whatsoever in effectiveness from savages to mercs to zerks to blademasters.

LOL

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by infozwerg
there is no difference whatsoever in effectiveness from savages to mercs to zerks to blademasters.

Stop stealing avatars and go nick a brain.

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by infozwerg
there is no difference whatsoever in effectiveness from savages to mercs to zerks to blademasters.