Fix midgard thread!

[Novamir]

Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

 

[StormriderX]

Turn savage buff into self effect only chant with only one on at a time. I.e. evade chant or dps chant only. Give them a power bar. Make them hybrids

 

[zoia]

Originally posted by Novamir
Shaman
-- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

You wanna nerf one of mids few decent class RAs?

 

[Novamir]

nah, fix the bug that after being ichored, you can get rooted

 

[alme]

good ideas except ichor and ae root. Nerfing that is a liddul much

 

[sazard]

Novamir - will you marry me?

 

[arrakeen]

seems like some nice changes infact, mabey not ichor and aoe root on the same resist timer.. but the rest sound fair to me

 

[hellige]

ichor is not bugged
healer with 2.3k hp?
taunt shout should interrupt?
and nurf savage but let them keep det

 

[Novamir]

- currently ichor has no immunity
- high RR dwarf healers are capable of 2300+ hp, norse high rr 2200
- why should a savage instant pve taunt be able to decide a CC battle? it shouldnt
- savages are hybrids, either make them a full tank class (no self buffs) or remove their tank RAs. its only sensible

 

[vargen]

Ideas on how to fix hibernia:

Remove mana specline from chanters!!

Think u can rvr without it?

 

[Deskiziado]

Originally posted by Novamir

- why should a savage instant pve taunt be able to decide a CC battle? it shouldnt

same to insta ae amnesia in bards

I'll add remove ae stun to list of nerfs needed to midgard

 

[noaim]

Remove pbae from chanters or eldies, remove insta amnesia, remove GP, fix BAOD, remove heatdebuff from chanters mana-line if they get to keep pbae, lower stunduration on annihilation. Almost forgot, remove stun from hib casters (yes I know it last X seconds on a tank with det3+, but its awesome against classes with no det).

Or, dont come here and cry as soon as you get killed.

 

[peder]

Q

Another nerfthread? zZz

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by Deskiziado
same to insta ae amnesia in bards

I'll add remove ae stun to list of nerfs needed to midgard

you can't compare the two at all ;p

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by noaim
Remove pbae from chanters or eldies,

Nope, being the Magic realm with more 'real' casters then for instance Midgard I think they deserve 2x PBaoE.

remove insta amnesia, remove GP,

Agreed (giv castable), agreed (sad RA for CC-classes)

fix BAOD

This one is tricky. If you fix it (chanter only I think you mean) this will mean the entire RA will be gone. Because nobody is gonna spend 14 points on a self-RA only where The Empty Mind 2 is 16 points but available to everyone and lasts twice as long (only 20% boost but ok). I actually think BAOD is a good RA if they fixed the resist-issues out.

, remove heatdebuff from chanters mana-line if they get to keep pbae,

Just remove the ability to debuff for own damage entirely from all 3 realms. My druid got 4-shotted by a runie = just as wrong as an enchanter 4-shotting a healer. And I bet someone is 4-shotted by a spirit-cabba = wrong too.

lower stunduration on annihilation.

It's 9 seconds right? Then it's good imo because anytime stun style shield-slam is also 9 seconds, on 42 spec instead of 50 and doesn't require you to be behind target.

Almost forgot, remove stun from hib casters (yes I know it last X seconds on a tank with det3+, but its awesome against classes with no det).

Agreed, just give them root, same as Alb/Mid casters have.

 

[Qte Eth]

can i see those 2300 hp healers d0rfs?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Nope, being the Magic realm with more 'real' casters then for instance Midgard I think they deserve 2x PBaoE.

And Midgard is melee realm and therefor has 3 classes with access to Determination, glad we got that settled.

 

[hellige]

dont think ichor is suppose to give an immunity timer
the duration of the root is way to low, insta or no insta

had 2.1k hp on my rr7 norse healer with 50aug mota3buffs and capped sc with aug con2 and tough2

no det on savage = no savage in grps (no need to ruin a class)
get them into line with other tanks but make them groupable..
if u nerf dmg output, nerf buffs, nerf ras and nerf the shout you are making the class useless

 

[Conchabar]

9 second stun on all hib casters nerf that

nerf anhilation on 50 spec behind style in lw styles

nerf nerf nerf

 

[censi]

would prolly balance things a bit more.

most healers have 2100 hits i thought. with chain and and endless insta's and PR. they are by far and away the outstanding class in DAOC grp rvr.

the other realms primary CC gets insta dropped frequently. You cant insta drop these fookers and this really turns the tide of combat. If you do manage to take out their healer u usually find half your grp dead by then and the healer PR'd by the other manditory healer.

savages will get nerfed anyway everyone knows why. (unstopable killing machines)

 

[kenshee-himura]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

Some valid points in it tbh. Think RA's should be fixed when mythic reviews the RA's.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by noaim
And Midgard is melee realm and therefor has 3 classes with access to Determination, glad we got that settled.

Yeah no problem, you can have your 3 classes with determination. Just take off the ridicule self-buffs of the savage and he can keep his Determination.

It's like putting PBAoE on a champ. It dont belong there and both the eldritch and the enchanter are pure casters.

Savages aren't pure tanks. Yeah Mythic calls them that but pure tanks cant do shit like savages can imo. Just compare for instance savage with blademaster and tell me with a straight face it's fine

If there's a Midgard class who deserves abit of those savage-selfbuffs (tho I think they are overpowered and should be toned down no matter what) it's on the thane.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by hellige

no det on savage = no savage in grps (no need to ruin a class)
get them into line with other tanks but make them groupable..
if u nerf dmg output, nerf buffs, nerf ras and nerf the shout you are making the class useless

Nah you would put them in line with other (light-)tanks. Which aren't useless in Hib/Alb so why should they be useless in Mid?

It's not that Mid lacks in all other points that they 'need' an overpowered melee-class to be competative.

 

[hellige]

ye, healers with 2k hp, (pretty many actives and passives to get before +hp ras. So would say 2k hp is normal) chain armour and 2x insta heals can be a real challenge to take down.

 

[killrake]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
can i see those 2300 hp healers d0rfs?

Thay dont exsist!!!!

 

[noaim]

Yes I agree they are too good. Its good buffs, and they add to the fun of playing the class, but 21% extra evade and damage, and 32% haste is too much.

 

[yoshimo]

not mids fault imo, goa decided mid was going down so they made a class of ultimate power, hibs have started buying suits of rf amour purely because most savages use slash and rf grands a +10% absorb against it, never saw mids wasting money on any hib classes tbh
savages - FoTM...more like FoTY

 

[hellige]

goa?
sow hard to get 4stk mp weaps?

 

[Jiggs]

how can u get from 1.36 to 1.62 and the current status where 2/3 of classes aren't viable in rvr?

druids and clerics are so clearly inferior to healers its a joke.

mythic are retarded discuss...

(i mean how hard is it to get 16ppl, make some fully SC rr8-10 versions of their chars and spend a week playing them in a test server?)

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Conchabar
9 second stun on all hib casters nerf that

nerf nerf nerf

I think alot of Hibs would LOVE to see the stun removed and replaced by a root (like Alb and Mid).

Only overpoweredness you currently have is that enchanters can debuff for their own stun-dmg (heat) which results in a full duration stun for a class without determination.

I am seriously laughing my ass off if an enchanter tries to stun my friar without heat-debuff (or any other Hib-caster; eldritch/mentalist). I believe it lasts like 4 seconds or so. Barely enough to take range and do a /face.

PRoblem comes when you get heat-debuffed (enchanter only) then stunned (hello 9 seconds stun) and nuked for cap dmg every nuke. Thát is wrong. But it's not the stun but the heat-debuff which is the problem.