Fix midgard thread!

[schinkaar]

i agree with most points (except im abit doubtful to savage breaking 50% evade, and doing more damage than they are "supposed to"). I also think they should remove advanced evade from savages, but keep det (or make other general changes to how CC works).


You should also move healer ae amnesia to pac line, otherwise that wont fix hib FG vs mid FG. And give bards shammies old endregen. That should make it alot more even hib vs mid, also give all realms a full respecc. I also think that cure mezz should be available to all primary healer classes, and give alb endregen to cleric enhance line. i doubt it whould be balanced but still more even than now.

Jiggs, i really think you should consider the amount of variables you have when balancing something like RvR, and ofc mythics limitations when it comes to coding.

 

[old.anubis]

yea, nerf 2300+ hps, make it 2000, pleaaaaaaaaase

http://members.lycos.co.uk/kondraty/statzor.jpg

 

[Aussie-]

yellow con and no though/con ? ;dddddddddddddd
even my scout got more hp then j00

 

[old.anubis]

red con, and yellow str/con

 

[Carlos Bananos]

my d0rf has 1910 or smth with all redcon buffs (+62 baselines, +93 or smth speclines) an toughness 1 (i also added 10 con at start cos im retarded)

2300?


like those savages with 3k hp, 100% evade, an 100% quadrates i guess.

 

[Pandemic]

mmm why not remove the healer, shaman and savage classes from the game to make it a fair fight that way 2fg hibs vs 1fg mids the hibs will at least stand an even chance of winning

also not attacking me first with all ur tanks / casters and ignoring the support next to me could be a start

 

[Novamir]

dwarf healers with con2, tough2 easily manage 2.2k hp when buffbotted (always in good groups) - Amien a requiem healer on camlann has 2300hp, and only con3, tough3 at rr7 or so

 

[Kagato.]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

You forgot to nerf Bonedancers, stick them at the top of the list please.

 

[Ghostly]

Originally posted by Pandemic
also not attacking me first with all ur tanks / casters and ignoring the support next to me could be a start

haha, so painfully true

 

[Novamir]

Re: Re: Fix midgard thread!

Originally posted by Kagato.
You forgot to nerf Bonedancers, stick them at the top of the list please.

the problem with BDs is... they are not overpowered in normal scale RVR... they just wreck pvp =(

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

surprised nova would do this

if you show me proof that savage evade isnt capped on 50% ill agree, until then I aint listening to a word you say. If ppl would just stop throwing random numbers around...

why should we just fix the ranged insta interrupt on healer? how about all the other classes who has that?

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by yoshimo
not mids fault imo, goa decided mid was going down so they made a class of ultimate power, hibs have started buying suits of rf amour purely because most savages use slash and rf grands a +10% absorb against it, never saw mids wasting money on any hib classes tbh
savages - FoTM...more like FoTY

more of the random numbers

and for the love of all thats holy, goa just fucking translates and fucks up shit . Mythic does all the coding you mong

 

[knoll]

seems all u nerf whiners knows more then mythic what they inteded for the classes and what they think they should be able to.

the prerequisite for all realms arent the same and they shouldnt be but played right every realm can own.

Albion got 14 different classes, 5 mage classes.
Hibernia got 13 different classes, 5 mage classes.
Midgard got 12 different classes, 3 mage classes.

midgard got 2 mage classes less so why is it then so weird we got 3 Tanks with cheap RA's 2 that have light armour.
1 Hybrid that is not worth mentioning

Albion got 2 hybrid tanks 1 that has Faith heal and can ress ppl.
other one do dmg and got PBAE lower abs shout, lower dmg potential shout and so on.

savages might need a fix but not the fact that they count as a pure tank and get cheap RA's.

 

[gaenvan]

savages are to god damn hard is a class who have good offence and good defence imo well with selfbuffs. as far as i know all the other dmg dealing classes at least aint great with defence. but then again what would i know

 

[Lumikki]

Fix Savages in some REASONABLE way and root immunity timer for Ichor sounds reasonable, other that that we don't need more nerfing, but that's my opinion. And ofcourse interrupt from insta taunt shout, but I thought it was already fixed? I remember the Savage TL pointing it out many reports ago.

And give thanes love please

xx

 

[herjulf]

Originally posted by Novamir
Savage
- cap savage evade at 50%
- fix tri / quad rates to their supposed values (10% less quads, and x% more tris)
- make hp be subtracted from total buffed hp and not base
- remove cheap tank RAs from this clearly hybrid class
- fix the ranged instant interrupt

Shaman
- disease needs immunity timer (affects all realms really, disease is one of the most effective forms of CC atm)
- raise recast on pbae instant disease to 1mins+
- make ichor and shammy ae root on same timer

Healer
- fix the ranged instant interrupt
- fix ability to get 2300+ hp on chain wearing main CC class with two instant heals (cant see how this can be fixed tho tbh)


let the whine begin!

cheeeeeese

laugable, nerf shaman who is a mere shadow of the cabalist.
A puny frop in the ocean as a healer, root as CC.

savage... zzzzz. see last TL report reply what mythic thinks should be done.
and imo for savage to reach 50% evade is impossible, a inf/ns/sb will have its work cut out reaching this. even with dodger 3.
WIll absolutely not happen without a BB for assasain.
more like evade 15-25% is poss imo.
Remember evades also i calculated vs his oponents stats/weapskill, so a very buffed savage will be more evasive vs a player with low weapskill etc.

And healer FFs midgards ONLY CC, only functioning healer in PvE/PvP. a CC which btw in many levels have been nerfed beyond recognition (resists+grp resists + determ)

Fix chanter imo got twacked for 1098 dmg yesterday from one.
fix cabby 140 or more per DoT tick and dots stack.
fix DF, fix the overpowered alb whine.

 

[herjulf]

Re: Re: Fix midgard thread!

hmm miss post

 

[zabe]

Nope, being the Magic realm with more 'real' casters then for instance Midgard I think they deserve 2x PBaoE

Being the Tank realm with more 'real' tanks then for instnce Hib or Alb I think they dont deserve Savage nerf.

 

[Forau]

Originally posted by Novamir
dwarf healers with con2, tough2 easily manage 2.2k hp when buffbotted (always in good groups) - Amien a requiem healer on camlann has 2300hp, and only con3, tough3 at rr7 or so

Dwarf healers with hp RAs over L1 are retarded and no threat to you. As for con3 and tough3 at rr7 you need to be exquisitely retarded and should throw yourself off a bridge asap.

Tough1 Con1 here. 2066 hp fully buffed.

 

[Soromaar2]

norse healer aug con 1 toughness 1 1910 hp fullbuffed whith red buffs....

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by zabe
Being the Tank realm with more 'real' tanks then for instnce Hib or Alb I think they dont deserve Savage nerf.

That would make sense if eldritch/enchanter PBAoE was superior to spiritmaster PBAoE. Notice the difference in more classes and better classes.

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by Jiggs
how can u get from 1.36 to 1.62 and the current status where 2/3 of classes aren't viable in rvr?

druids and clerics are so clearly inferior to healers its a joke.

mythic are retarded discuss...

(i mean how hard is it to get 16ppl, make some fully SC rr8-10 versions of their chars and spend a week playing them in a test server?)

That's like saying Skald is so inferior to Bard and Minstrel it's a joke.
You can't compare classes across the realm that aren't directly comparable - cleric and druid are their realms respective primary buffer/healer. Healer is primary CC/healer and shaman primary buffer. Alb get sorc for .. bah getting tiring to explain this

 

[-RG-Jaond]

:sleeping:

 

[Lumikki]

To be honest I'm really starting to get tired of this "nerf everything midgard has" attitude... how about focus on improving your own realms balance for a change instead of trying to bring others down?

Still few of the ideas are reasonable like I said, but most aren't.

<sigh>

xx

 

[ardamels]

To get 2300 HP you need to be very high RR or to neglect the loads of expensive "must have" RAs that healers can get like PR, BoL and purge. You don't get 2300 easily at all, I seriously doubt that any healer in Excal/mid has that much. I usually have around 1900 with my healer when fully buffed (she's norse though).

 

[Tasans]

I love those usual bandwagoners who cry for nerfs, and when you make a thread about something overpowered they got, they say dont nerf us fix your classes instead.

QQ

 

[Herbal Remedy]

Originally posted by ardamels
To get 2300 HP you need to be very high RR or to neglect the loads of expensive "must have" RAs that healers can get like PR, BoL and purge. You don't get 2300 easily at all, I seriously doubt that any healer in Excal/mid has that much. I usually have around 1900 with my healer when fully buffed (she's norse though).

battery of life must have







hahahahahahahahahahaha bol = biggest waste of 10 ra points ever

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
battery of life must have

hahahahahahahahahahaha bol = biggest waste of 10 ra points ever

Don't spoil the party Mids are having Herbal.
Mids are loving this part were they get to play the underdog while they actually have overpowered classes.
Finally, they are able to tell themselves they have skills.
I think it is rather cute, let them have this illusion a bit longer Herbal.
Regards, Glottis

 

[censi]

just remove determination and lower the damage and frequency of quads dramatically!

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Novamir
dwarf healers with con2, tough2 easily manage 2.2k hp when buffbotted (always in good groups) - Amien a requiem healer on camlann has 2300hp, and only con3, tough3 at rr7 or so

yep
every healer should take tough3 and con3 asap (it's "only" 20 rsp, pffft)
just forget about purge, moc, pr, raging power, wild healing, aom etc