Fighting hibs = boring

[tilde]

Originally posted by Harle


Armsmen got 8% (?) more absorb on their armor and the most powerfull weapon ( dmg-wise) in the game (=Polearm) - the term you are looking for is 'balanced'

Roll a tin-can and tell me that those 7% more in absorb does up to heroe's 50% more hp. Plate isnt the same as studded<>chain, much less diffirence. It shouldnt, but it is

 

[Karam_gruul]

Yea i kinda agree with Arya.

We have our good days and bad days. like the other day when i killed about 8 green/blue con mids at the same time... that was a good day. or like today, when 8 lvl 50 hibs ganked me, that was a bad day.

but i still hold my point that...... hero's are rubbish.

nuff said

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by Karam

but i still hold my point that...... hero's are rubbish.

nuff said

And Heroines ?

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by tilde


Roll a tin-can and tell me that those 7% more in absorb does up to heroe's 50% more hp. Plate isnt the same as studded<>chain, much less diffirence. It shouldnt, but it is

Your plate-armor isn't on a 30-minute timer though

 

[Wuren]

Karam pls set a duell with Elyne or Lews

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Wuren
Karam pls set a duell with Elyne or Lews

who?

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by tilde
Heroes got 50% more hp than armsman = makes them a better tank

Moose state sucks or rocks every 30mins!!

It gives you 50% more hp, but when shall you use it??? If you moose to late you get nothing out of moose at its 50% of your current amount of hp left. Moose too soon and realize the mofo is not worth using moose on and then wait 30mins for it again.

I use Moose on special oocasion like when i am running from huge enemy forces and can see that if i dont go moose i will die 20meters from safety..

Nevertheless my Moose state ends with me 5meters from safety and a good nice root/paralyse/mezz stops me and i die anyway.

I would say that i use Moose successfully one out of 4 times, which means atleast 4x30mins of play (but more like 3-4 hours)..

I would gladly change it for 7% absorb and 8% more damage..

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Karam


Thats like saying a skald will kill me 1:1 because it doesnt matter who the 'tank' is. If you want a fair duel you need 2 evenly skilled tanks, now a hero v armsman is probably an unfair fight because they do get insta heal and arent even really tanks, they're hybrids.

However other classes, like archers, i can easily solo 1:1 with np.

So what are you saying? Armsmen are the only tanks in the game and everyone fighting them have an unfair advantage becuase they are NOT tanks?

lol

Definition of the mmorpg term "tank": A character being able to take alot of damage while making sure the monsters beat on him instead of the weaker classes with higher utility or damage.

Hero seems kinda much as a tank for me.

And another thing. If heros are hybrids, then they got Nerfed in this patch since they got thrown down from Tank to hybrid, right?

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Karam
i cant reeeeeally be bothered to argue about it anymore, all i'll say is polearms are the best weapons in the game, and i can do phat damage nuff said.

Funny, i thought 2 handed axes doing a bleed effect and a stunning followup was the best weapons in the game. maybe its just me?

And yeah, karam, ever noticed the fact that some spells do more damage than your polearm? Id say staves are the best weapon in the game if im correct about that one, but wait, im a hybrid, so it doesnt count does it?

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by Karam
Hero isnt a pure tank class tho

What is that makes us a hybrid/not pure tank? (have i missed a whole spec line??).

Originally posted by Karam

i cant reeeeeally be bothered to argue about it anymore, all i'll say is polearms are the best weapons in the game, and i can do phat damage nuff said.

I have never been hit harder than a crit. shot from a bow.. and its ranged and way faster than a polearm.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Tell me this, okay, tell me this straight, give a straight answer. Can any melee class do:

+245
694+7

in one hit to a blue celt?

anyone? are you aware how much damage that is? did that earlier today.

so thats 946 damage in a single hit with my halberd, to a blue (blues are.. lvl 37-42 i beleive atm). can any caster even do that much damage? needless to say he died in that hit

now tell me armsmen arent the best tank class in the game.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by Zarko


Moose state sucks or rocks every 30mins!!

It gives you 50% more hp, but when shall you use it??? If you moose to late you get nothing out of moose at its 50% of your current amount of hp left. Moose too soon and realize the mofo is not worth using moose on and then wait 30mins for it again.

ehm, wrong - it's 50% of total HP, not current

Originally posted by Karam


Tell me this, okay, tell me this straight, give a straight answer. Can any melee class do:

+245
694+7

in one hit to a blue celt?

anyone? are you aware how much damage that is? did that earlier today.

so thats 946 damage in a single hit with my halberd, to a blue (blues are.. lvl 37-42 i beleive atm). can any caster even do that much damage? needless to say he died in that hit

now tell me armsmen arent the best tank class in the game.

ehm, wrong - as i allready tried to tell you before: you +245 from your silly style are allready calculated into the 694, as are the +7 from Armorclass, so you hit some low blue for 694, and only 694, and not a single hp more than 694, and every bolt caster would retire when doing such low damage on a low blue clothwearer.

 

[Nicky Nook]

but i still hold my point that...... hero's are rubbish.

That quote has got to be the most foolish post i have ever seen on these forums ever and to make matters worse some of the best Tanks in Hibernia are responding to this Idiot making him think he is even more LeeT than he thinks he already is..


Karam you are a fool of the highest order never ever has anyone talked as much shite in one thread as you have in this one and to top that off my horse that takes me from Mebo to Liegn to R v R could Probably kill you and your mother fucking leet Pole.

Regard Nicky.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Nicky Nook

That quote has got to be the most foolish post i have ever seen on these forums ever and to make matters worse some of the best Tanks in Hibernia are responding to this Idiot making him think he is even more LeeT than he thinks he already is..


Karam you are a fool of the highest order never ever has anyone talked as much shite in one thread as you have in this one and to top that off my horse that takes me from Mebo to Liegn to R v R could Probably kill you and your mother fucking leet Pole.

Regard Nicky.

lmfao, i smile when i read posts like this, makes me feel like im really making a difference <wipes tear away>.

maybe i hit a nerve about my rather high dmg dealing? maybe your wondering why you, a lvl 50 cant damage as much as that?

Oh and Harle, then how do you explain me doing +2000 dmg for pulling my move off, and 556 for my main move? are you actually aware that 2000 is higher than 556? (btw that 556 cap is with my old weapon). If you have any proof of what your saying i'd like to see it, and if it is true, i'd like to ask mythic why the game is so bugged.

 

[old.Odixarre]

Oh and Harle, then how do you explain me doing +2000 dmg for pulling my move off, and 556 for my main move? are you actually aware that 2000 is higher than 556? (btw that 556 cap is with my old weapon). If you have any proof of what your saying i'd like to see it, and if it is true, i'd like to ask mythic why the game is so bugged.

What about some screenies? Would love to see some evidence instead of all this trashtalking.

 

[Karam_gruul]

PLEASE SOMEONE HOST THE PICS FOR ME, i'd be MORE than happy to give you evidence

the only thing i've noticed, is on all of my pics, the +245 bit (which im not lying about) is ALWAYS cut off, even when i take a few screen shots to deliberatly ensure i get it in! oh well, i'll try to get a seperate screenshot of the +245 to a yellow/blue or something and give u that too.

but seriously, anyone that can host, give me your email and i'll happily send you the pictures

 

[Karam_gruul]

http://www.karlorbell.zen.co.uk/images/karam/

there ya go enjoy

 

[Riddler]

ROFL

ok, the first screenie u do 694 dmg, and err...only that, so?

and on the other one (rofl tis the best ive seen in ages), u attack a lvl 0 mob (its blue to a lvl 1) in camelot hills

yup, if it hadnt been capped, u would have done 1500-2000dmg to a lvl 0 mob, WELL DONE

so what are u trying to prove?

and oh, my Skald is 10lvls lower then ur armsman, i have only 1k less RP's then you, only 3.0dps lower then you, only 50 less AF then you, only 20less str then you, and got about 500 less HP then you

yup, armsmen is the BEST OF THE BEST

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by Karam


lmfao, i smile when i read posts like this, makes me feel like im really making a difference <wipes tear away>.

maybe i hit a nerve about my rather high dmg dealing? maybe your wondering why you, a lvl 50 cant damage as much as that?

Oh and Harle, then how do you explain me doing +2000 dmg for pulling my move off, and 556 for my main move? are you actually aware that 2000 is higher than 556? (btw that 556 cap is with my old weapon). If you have any proof of what your saying i'd like to see it, and if it is true, i'd like to ask mythic why the game is so bugged.

as you said: 556 is your cap, which you can't exceed with the +2k from a style
ever wondered why your style-damage is normally about 1/3rd of your attack-dmg, and suddenly ( against a grey i guess) it should be almost 4 times as high ?

 

[Karam_gruul]

The reason i put the one of me whacking a grey mob was to prove my point that i do like 1500 dmg for pulling off the move, but only 500 for the actual move, which doesnt make sense to me if the +1500 is supposed to be added into the 500. i guess its just crappy programming by mythic

but yea, the other one was 694 dmg +245, unfortunatly AS I SAID earlier, the +245 was cut out. although if what harle is saying is true, it wont matter anyway.

BUT the whole point of that screeny is, can any other tank out there, be it hib or mid, do 694 dmg to a grey con, let alone a blue con

just answer it straight, no more bollocking on about all the 'but you dont get insta's' bla bla bla, just say it, can anyone do that much dmg in a single hit?

/edit
btw riddler you look like a gimp in your picture
/edit

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by Karam

maybe i hit a nerve about my rather high dmg dealing? maybe your wondering why you, a lvl 50 cant damage as much as that?

Sometimes i wonder how tight the tincan on your head is mate

Originally posted by Karam

Oh and Harle, then how do you explain me doing +2000 dmg for pulling my move off, and 556 for my main move? are you actually aware that 2000 is higher than 556? (btw that 556 cap is with my old weapon). If you have any proof of what your saying i'd like to see it, and if it is true, i'd like to ask mythic why the game is so bugged.

Karam you can only make your dam cap+crit+dam adds= less than 2k dam AND thats whatever bonus you have!!!



My dam cap is 601 and i hit for my cap on all blue things (once in a while it goes lower), Low yellow casters is hit for dam cap.


And you?? how much do i hit Karam for??? Look at this:

http://www.angelfire.com/ego/Planetarion/sshot056.jpg

And i aint even fully buffed or having the best buffs available



:touch: :touch: :touch: :touch:

 

[Herbal Remedy]

either site isnt working (or my comps messed up )
u hit karam for a nice little loggo saying image hosted by angel fire.com damn i got to stay away from you if u hitting people with that loggo

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Karam
you really think i carry a shield around in rvr instead of my polearm!? if i get shot by an archer, THEN i get my shield, use engage and im invulnerable.

hahaha really so noob you should do it the other way round idiot, otherwise you always let the archer get in 1 or 2 shots which could be fatal. Ask Eleasias he loves preying on dumb amrsmen who run with polearms.

But, tell me, how would fighting a 'tank' with insta heal and more hps, and 3 lvls higher be a fair fight exactly?

I didn't say that would be fair, that is not a point i've made once in this thread. Plus I've never even challenged you to a duel, let's wait til you are 50 huh?

im not saying i can own everyone in the game, but im saying my polearm owns nearly anyone in the game damage wise (outdamages any bows etc), as long as the person im fighting is roughly yellow con. how the hell do you think i'd be able to solo a skald or something in rvr? its not possible, and its not possible for a hero to do either..... some classes are just better in rvr than others armsmen arent the best class overall, but i reckon they're the best tank class

sigh. =)

firstly, from your screenies, my damage cap unbuffed is 578, which is a bit higher than you yes I only have 39 specced in spear because i only decided at level 43 i wanted to use a 2H weapon.

I can solo a 2H hammer thane (Grond) 1v1. I can solo a 2H skald 1v1. I have beaten Halijital or whatever his name is, and Goku (warrior) 1v1 also. I can't beat Sub or Kithara, unless I slam and put distance between me when they zerk, and even then it's a bit difficult, zerkers are the king of 1v1. All these opponents were level 50.

<takes deep breath> I'll just make something clear for you. ARMSMEN ARE NOT THE HARDEST HITTING CLASS IN THE GAME. A 2h hammer troll will hit me for 400. I've never seen a polarms hit me for more than about 300. I have about 15% slash resist on top of the - that slash gets on scale anyway, so slash polearms are really gimped imo. They are best for hitting mages, who die in a couple of hits no matter what weapon u use.

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Novamir

zerkers are the king of 1v1.

:whip:

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Novamir


hahaha really so noob you should do it the other way round idiot, otherwise you always let the archer get in 1 or 2 shots which could be fatal. Ask Eleasias he loves preying on dumb amrsmen who run with polearms.

I didn't say that would be fair, that is not a point i've made once in this thread. Plus I've never even challenged you to a duel, let's wait til you are 50 huh?

sigh. =)

firstly, from your screenies, my damage cap unbuffed is 578, which is a bit higher than you yes I only have 39 specced in spear because i only decided at level 43 i wanted to use a 2H weapon.

I can solo a 2H hammer thane (Grond) 1v1. I can solo a 2H skald 1v1. I have beaten Halijital or whatever his name is, and Goku (warrior) 1v1 also. I can't beat Sub or Kithara, unless I slam and put distance between me when they zerk, and even then it's a bit difficult, zerkers are the king of 1v1. All these opponents were level 50.

<takes deep breath> I'll just make something clear for you. ARMSMEN ARE NOT THE HARDEST HITTING CLASS IN THE GAME. A 2h hammer troll will hit me for 400. I've never seen a polarms hit me for more than about 300. I have about 15% slash resist on top of the - that slash gets on scale anyway, so slash polearms are really gimped imo. They are best for hitting mages, who die in a couple of hits no matter what weapon u use.

Okay. lets see. first of all, that was my lower damage polearm cap in the pic. my main polearms cap is 620. i just wanted to show you that one because thats the one i spoke abotu before.

And secondly, of course you havnt been hit for over 300 dmg by a polearm, i dont think there are any lvl 50 polearm armsmen out there, well okay maybe a couple, but still i can only think of 2 of them. the rest, like me, will be slightly lower, and therefore i cant damage you as much as i should.

Sorry but that is SUCH bs, you can ask Mythic themselves, they'll just tell you, yes polearms ARE the most damaging weapons in the game. its a FACT lol. 400 dmg is RUBBISH! if i hit a yellow for 400 dmg i'd be really rather upset. to yellows i expect to do a minimum of about 550 dmg. i'm sorry but you clearly havnt got a clue what your talking about.

The reason i chose the polearm armsman in the first place is because i heard from everyone that polearms ARE the most damaging weapons in the game, its a fact lol. no weapon can out damage a halberd. sorry but its true.

OH, and Novamir, your saying you can do what, 550 dmg with your weapon right???? my weapon is 15.2dps, im BETTING yorus is 16.2. if i had a 16.2 dps weapon i'd be doing a hell of alot more damage. I'm already doing more damage than you, and thtats just using my 15.2dps weapon lol. Only prob is, 16.2 dps halberds are quite rare. but when i get mine i'll show ya

 

[Eleasias]

you need to copy&paste the link to a new window btw

 

[Karam_gruul]

Ahh, its how much damage you can do to meee eh? lol what? 494 dmg when your buffed to a yellow? well done try 694 to a blue celt

 

[tilde]

Armsman or zerkers in zerkmode DOES most dmg. Polearm is the weapon with slowest speed = makes most dmg, zerkerz do plenty of dmg too.

Just read all tests and stuff on vn-boards!

Sure, mids and heroes do lot of dmg aswell - but cant match polearms coz of it's speed (max at 6.0 - mids have a 5.6spd hammer and hibs got a 5.7spd spear )

I hope u meant the class who made most dmg by hit and not over-time?

Heroes are the strongest and hardest one to beat 1on1 coz of stag, armsman got plate so i guess that makes him the best overall tank.


Just my 2c, please comment and share ur oppinions

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by tilde
Armsman or zerkers in zerkmode DOES most dmg. Polearm is the weapon with slowest speed = makes most dmg, zerkerz do plenty of dmg too.

Just read all tests and stuff on vn-boards!

Sure, mids and heroes do lot of dmg aswell - but cant match polearms coz of it's speed (max at 6.0 - mids have a 5.5spd hammer and hibs got a 5.3spd LW)

I hope u meant the class who made most dmg by hit and not over-time?

Heroes are the strongest and hardest one to beat 1on1 coz of stag, armsman got plate so i guess that makes him the best overall tank.


Just my 2c, please comment and share ur oppinions

This is about who does the most damage per hit. My weapon is 5.6 spd i think, which yea is dam slow. But then again in rvr, normally your meant to run in, whack someone, and do as much possible damage in that hit. its no good having a low spd weapon but having to stand there for a while to do any damage.

So i ask you, could a Hero without stag (because he's used it already) really beat a polearm armsman of the same lvl 1:1? really? i dont think so

 

[tilde]

Armsman is stronger than Heroes if u remove stag in a duel, this is IF no parry, evade etc is involved - just pure hits.

They do plenty of duels on us.servers, and these are the results in 1.48, 1.49 and 1.50 - no huge changes have been made in all these (except 1.50 with realmabilites and armsman's new stun-style), but armsman was the stronger one before realmabilities arrived too.

I can get lucky and beat a hero who stags, just go around him in circles and he'll miss most of his hits - but that's tactics, doesnt prove who's the "strongest".