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[MxN]

haha, elc ur mean to the dyslectic :<

i thought he was drunk :<

 

[CuddleBunny!]

i thought he was drunk :<

Imagine how he writes when he IS drunk!

 

[Vodkafairy]

even tho his english is the worst rape of the language ive ever seen, the info isnt correct either

fast spells dont cap earlier then slow spells and dex keeps on benefiting even past 400. bring up all the formulas you like, but if you try it ingame you will feel the difference

 

[CuddleBunny!]

even tho his english is the worst rape of the language ive ever seen, the info isnt correct either

fast spells dont cap earlier then slow spells and dex keeps on benefiting even past 400. bring up all the formulas you like, but if you try it ingame you will feel the difference

have some rep, my main man!

 

[Brite]

whats all this about casting spells? i though every spell was insta? :eek2:

 

[Vodkafairy]

whats all this about casting spells? i though every spell was insta? :eek2:

dont lie, twf takes 2 sec to cast

 

[Boni]

even tho his english is the worst rape of the language ive ever seen, the info isnt correct either

fast spells dont cap earlier then slow spells and dex keeps on benefiting even past 400. bring up all the formulas you like, but if you try it ingame you will feel the difference

Ive been intersted in cast speed, and used to do lots of test, way back when NF was fresh I did lots of tests that showed to me that 386 was enough dex to cap spells back then...

Im gonna assume that my testing is outdated and something got raised/removed/tweaked in a patch somewhere... If thats the case then shouldnt someone somewhere have details of the new equation, or a 'correct' cast speed calcualtor. Fustrates me that all people seem to present in favour of 390+dex templates is 'feeling', would be nice to be able to quantify that exactly... (e.g. you claim that 10 points 390->400 is a CLEAR difference, I wonder what effect 10 dex makes on a 2.8 sec spell on a linear scale and if thats even detectable, according to some approx calcs we are talking hundredths of seconds).

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

I'd like Magon to comment the new info VF brought up.

 

[Dracus]

Its not really a mystery..as Staj said..all spells cap at 40% of delve..hence the math Pin did in the link I posted is still true. Not rocket science

/Dracus

 

[Vodkafairy]

did my fair share of calculating stuff when i played ns and frankly i really cant be arsed anymore

staj watched my vid and he noticed my cast spd was a bit slower then his, tried dex4 and dont think ill ever get rid of it now. the difference is there, and to me just the feeling is worth the extra points

and ye, cast spd is capped at 40% of delve, just that so many people give false info about when you actually achieve that cap. just know that you can pump as much into dex as you can afford and it will still have a benefit. nobody will be able to get dex 5, and even then, for most races cast speed still won't cap.

/shrug

makes me laugh tho, people claiming cast spd is capped at 386 dex - but anyways, its not my loss

 

[Crocky]

makes me laugh tho, people claiming cast spd is capped at 386 dex - but anyways, its not my loss

you were one of them , until 2 weeks ago.

 

[Vodkafairy]

you were one of them , until 2 weeks ago.

no

 

[Void959]

Its not really a mystery..as Staj said..all spells cap at 40% of delve..hence the math Pin did in the link I posted is still true. Not rocket science

/Dracus

The mystery is as to the actual formula. I did some basic testing with the formula I used (also what most calcs use) and it was totally off, so I admit I was wrong, but does anyone know the actual formula now? I'll do more testing later and post the results, though my theurgs temp isnt complete, so I cant test at the upper end, nor can he afford high augdex

 

[Arumos]

did my fair share of calculating stuff when i played ns and frankly i really cant be arsed anymore

staj watched my vid and he noticed my cast spd was a bit slower then his, tried dex4 and dont think ill ever get rid of it now. the difference is there, and to me just the feeling is worth the extra points

and ye, cast spd is capped at 40% of delve, just that so many people give false info about when you actually achieve that cap. just know that you can pump as much into dex as you can afford and it will still have a benefit. nobody will be able to get dex 5, and even then, for most races cast speed still won't cap.

/shrug

makes me laugh tho, people claiming cast spd is capped at 386 dex - but anyways, its not my loss

pisses me off realy, being a disabled race for a class such as dorf rm, means with aug dex 5 which i run with, i have 391 dex :/ altho with my chanter on hib i have 395 dex with dex3! so basicaly a kob rm with 18 dex at start can be my strength at rr8 or so... as they'd only need dex3 and ofc at rr11 have the option of dex5 meaning insane spec nukes at 400+ dex

yeah dwarfs are great but well...<cries>...need more dex

 

[Vodkafairy]

pisses me off realy, being a disabled race for a class such as dorf rm, means with aug dex 5 which i run with, i have 391 dex :/ altho with my chanter on hib i have 395 dex with dex3!

can say a lot of things, but will keep it to this:

/point & /laugh, dorf rm haaaahahaha

sowwy!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

That dorf RM casts like 3 spells in one second already. No need for higher dex for him .

 

[Vodkafairy]

he casts one spell every 1.x sec and he's so fat you can spot him even beyond cliprange, get real

 

[Arumos]

he casts one spell every 1.x sec and he's so fat you can spot him even beyond cliprange, get real

LOL , sig material

and manisch ye its still ok speed but dex5 is a bucketload of points and i basicaly have to have dex5 on any ra spec i do because anything else than 391 would be shocking. a lot of kob rms have more dex than me with dex4 so they have 10 more points to spend in dmg whilst i am sat here like a xmas pudding wanking over my 20-30 more points of con :/

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

he casts one spell every 1.x sec and he's so fat you can spot him even beyond cliprange, get real

Aye he is fat, so fat that he is at a lot of places at the same time.

Arumos, is your machine okay?

 

[Arumos]

Aye he is fat, so fat that he is at a lot of places at the same time.

Arumos, is your machine okay?

haha, some people

 

[Brite]

yer but you get to be a dorf atleast ^^

monkey > dorf but i suppose rm cant be monkey so ill let you off

 

[Maeloch]

tbh I wouldn't trust anything I read on forums unless I tested it myself, either the 386 cap crowd or the 410+ dex is a must brigade. If I cba I'd chain cast AF shield a couple of hundred times with a stopwatch in hand, but I'd prolly get banned for macro abuse.

 

[MaCaBr3]

I would so like to respec RA's to test aug dex 4 wich would bring me to 398. But i'm afraid i'm gonna get used to it too fast and won't respec back to "all around good RA spec'.

Having fast cast speed is always fun.

 

[Vodkafairy]

tbh I wouldn't trust anything I read on forums unless I tested it myself, either the 386 cap crowd or the 410+ dex is a must brigade. If I cba I'd chain cast AF shield a couple of hundred times with a stopwatch in hand, but I'd prolly get banned for macro abuse.

you don't have to, just saying that for me personally it was an improvement. its up to you whether you want to find out or not, i really don't care what you do with your char.

if i could turn back time i wouldnt have tried dex4, cus now i never want to go back. i doubt that it makes a big difference in the actual outcome of a fight, but still, its nice to cast so fast

and lols, i still have this urge inside me for taunting you for something that happened ages ago. insta purging the stun of my poor ickle level 30 cleric, 1v1.

couldnt resist!

 

[Boni]

Its not really a mystery..as Staj said..all spells cap at 40% of delve..hence the math Pin did in the link I posted is still true. Not rocket science

/Dracus

As someone has already said, its not that anyone doubts the 40% delve, as you should be able to see from the post, thats just a result of a 'max' function on the cast speed multipier...

actual_cast_speed_multipier = max(0.4,cast_speed_multipier).

The function used to calculate cast_speed_multipier is what is less transparant.

Pin used :-

1 - (dex - 70)/600)*[ToA]*[MotArt]

From his post it appears he wasnt convinced this was exact (he says its 'near enough'). A small difference in the 70 or 600 constants could swing in favour of other maximum dex values, lots of calculators seem to use numbers which exactly fit with 386 for instance...

 

[Crocky]

lol @ worthless formulas.

 

[Bubble]

Think i'm going to Subscribe to Magon's posts, this guys a legend.

 

[Bubble]

and lols, i still have this urge inside me for taunting you for something that happened ages ago. insta purging the stun of my poor ickle level 30 cleric, 1v1.

couldnt resist!

Smite rocks and you know it!

 

[Vodkafairy]

Smite rocks and you know it!

mmyep, thats why i rolled cleric on glas :x

 

[Eva]

Respecced dex4 on eld to try it, havn't noticed any differance yet, 2 runs so far. Will test it later before respeccing back.

Edit: Dex is at 407.