fao kagato

[Kagato]

If mythic "wants" assasin to be involved in keep sieges why did it create infiltrator guards?

What about remedy? you pick the ones you can answer but dont even conceed theres thing on that list (which I quickly made up) that are put in purly for solo balance. So evn if theres like one change that was made for solo balance it makes your statement wrong.

No it doesn't, this is a big game, theres no simple right or wrong, black or white. Remedy effected stealth classes yes, that does not mean it effected only solo rvr, some would argue quite the opposit. And its been proven long ago that if enough people whine for long enough, mythic will sometimes give in, just like with remedy, left axe and warlocks. And no one whines more then a stealther, your proving that over and over by yourself.

Mythic does not balance this game purely for solo, I sure as hell wish they did.

 

[censi]

I am not saying they made this game purly for sol, dont start trying to lever a different arguement. OFC they didnt.

what im saying is that lots of changes are made to toons based on 1v1 performance.

thats the only reason remedy was giving to all assasins and tweaked so it only negates poisons. It was done to balance Assasin V assasins. (as an example of one such change)

 

[Ronso]

LOL repped :>

Oli - Illu

aww thanks !

 

[elbeek]

No it doesn't, this is a big game, theres no simple right or wrong, black or white. Remedy effected stealth classes yes, that does not mean it effected only solo rvr, some would argue quite the opposit. And its been proven long ago that if enough people whine for long enough, mythic will sometimes give in, just like with remedy, left axe and warlocks. And no one whines more then a stealther, your proving that over and over by yourself.

Mythic does not balance this game purely for solo, I sure as hell wish they did.

Couldn't agree more Kagato.

 

[censi]

im sorry but that statement is a load of crap, and you endorsing it is like sadam hussain endorsing amnasty international!



remedy was tweaked for assasin V assasin 1v1 fights. because infs and SB felt they were not competative Versus NS with it. if you think otherwise your fucking stupid.

 

[Ronso]

We should have another forum for censi and kagato to shout logistics at each other and here the usual 'there are flaws in your arguement sir' line

 

[censi]

it like trying to get blood out of a stone even suggesting his class is easy mode due to a couple of stupid timers. its fucking obvious as far as Im concerned.

but no! if he has it its balanced.

and lol remedy change was for Irvr meights!

 

[elbeek]

im sorry but that statement is a load of crap, and you endorsing it is like sadam hussain endorsing amnasty international!



remedy was tweaked for assasin V assasin 1v1 fights. because infs and SB felt they were not competative Versus NS with it. if you think otherwise your fucking stupid.

Yet again Censi is unable to differentiate between in game and irl

 

[wilfe]

Whats champ rr5 re use?

15 minute reuse, and ive only had it for a little while i can honestly say i would prefer it over a armsman rr5, alot of it because it gives no downside after it is used

 

[Ronso]

Armsmen solo spec are overpowered ... every newb with a template can win as an armsman ..kagato is a little different though , it wasnt like he walked up the trodden path , he beat a new path and people followed with his spec and play style etc . Armsmen can be too tough to take down solo even at rr3 unless up against a champ or a valk or something very hybrid

 

[Kagato]

Armsmen solo spec are overpowered ... every newb with a template can win as an armsman ..kagato is a little different though , it wasnt like he walked up the trodden path , he beat a new path and people followed with his spec and play style etc . Armsmen can be too tough to take down solo even at rr3 unless up against a champ or a valk or something very hybrid

Now if censi could put an arguement forward as politely and accuratly as that without the whine, i'd actually be more inclined to agree with him.

i'd rep it but it wont let me.

 

[Vladamir]

We should have another forum for censi and kagato to shout logistics at each other and here the usual 'there are flaws in your arguement sir' line

/rep

 

[censi]

Now if censi could put an arguement forward as politely and accuratly as that without the whine, i'd actually be more inclined to agree with him.

thats exactly what im fucking saying!!!!! qq

I just thought the rr5 was stupid in 1v1 melee fights (which are the only thing that counts in daoc in terms of the fun!)

 

[Inso]

Someone killed Kagato, I'd rep you if I wasn't to lazy, have an e-beer though. /beer

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Personally I have been playing like this since I was first high enough level to try 3.5 years ago, when the only timer you had to worry about was your /release timer.

can confirm this i still remember killing you with irl friend on our skalds in FS when you was like rr3 we both didnt have a BB and you easily 2-shot each of us, good that skalds can kite so easy xD

 

[Kagato]

can confirm this i still remember killing you with irl friend on our skalds in FS when you was like rr3 we both didnt have a BB and you easily 2-shot each of us, good that skalds can kite so easy xD

Ah the good old days !

Think some of my fondist memories are of running the Excalibur road gauntlet as I called it.

Can garuntee you'd never make it from CS to excalibur via the road without at least 1 person jumping you. I loved that area, never knew what to expect or how many.

Don't think I had a BB myself until much later in the OF life though probably after 1.5-2 years, when a friend quit and gave me his account.

 

[Muylaetrix]

im sorry but that statement is a load of crap, and you endorsing it is like sadam hussain endorsing amnasty international!

everybody will agree that iraq was a far nicer and more peacefull place under sadam that post sadam.

 

[Ronso]

everybody will agree that iraq was a far nicer and more peacefull place under sadam that post sadam.

Dodgy statement ! Highly political

 

[Muylaetrix]

Dodgy statement ! Highly political

but correct.

the chance to die a violent death under saddam where much smaller than now in iraq.

then, doing political actions against the regime could get you in trouble, now shopping for grosseries on the market is a life threatening condition.


ofc i am joking, but think about it.

 

[liloe]

But then again you might also leave him since he's usually solo.

That made me laugh though. Solo if he's not taking some towers or humping the bridges with some maters.

I'm sry Kagato, but you once stated that you "only do keepstuff if you really need to" but I've seen you an awesome lot doing siege in hib or being in range of known adders at bridges.

I'm not gonna add on solo fights, but I'm not really inclined to respect you like I used to.

EDIT: The defensive RR5 abilities are not bad at all, indeed they're quite good to counter ppl who just RA/ML dump on you. Ok and now please give me RR5 on my blademaster. My win/loss ratio atm is quite ugly =)

 

[censi]

everybody will agree that iraq was a far nicer and more peacefull place under sadam that post sadam.

if you seriously believe that you are fucking clueless. Not that Im a fan of american foreign policy or endorsing their motivations for the invasion but come on get-a-clue.com

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

everybody will agree that iraq was a far nicer and more peacefull place under sadam that post sadam.

These families i am sure will disagree.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm

Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions - the vast majority of them Muslims.

According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."

Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered.

Allegations of prostitution used to intimidate opponents of the regime, have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women.

Documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulted in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. o The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030404-1.html

I still think the current Iraq situation is a long way off being like that.

 

[Collateral]

Strategy:
Loc - 3421 423483 Emain Docks
Mob - Kagato. As he is dying he uses abilities to delay any damage he receives before using various abilities to regenerate health through Ignore Pain and Health Pots.

Spawn - Usually at night. Has been seen to spawn during day but these are just rumours, then not be seen for 24 hours real life time. Jun 30 2004
- Ronso

Tips:
Had spawn at night . As I went to engage mob , two other mobs popped beside him . Both were named mobs and acted as healers of some form. One is red con to 50, named Elitesbot and other is high purple Daemyrthestout. I found once I engaged Kagato that he would be instantly healed by Daemyrthestout while Elitesbot mob continously stunned me regardless of immunity.
Btw: I camped the place for 10 real life hours.Trying to get this mob to pop can really test your patience. Oct 21 2004
- Tierna

Popular rumor that Kagato only spawns midnight to 3 am is incorrect, he can show up at 1800 for example. He drops three other gems (Gem of keepsiege, Gem of Solo Armsman, Gem of gankgroup), which are mid-level gems of use to fighters, casters and archers. The Pitchfork Of Wadafak is a rare drop from this rare spawn, making a very wide distribution in how hard it is to obtain (some first time, others go weeks of trying), some get it first kill, others experience more than a dozen attempts. Mythic has been adjustting spawn probabilities according to patch notes.
Not that the /quest list can include "Armsman beatdown, completed" and that is something else, this encounter is called "KitekagatoKillKagato". Aug 6 2004
- Aurijion

Soloed by a level 50 Eldritch (light spec)
Doesn't always drop the pitchfork - but will give out other gem items - Strong Elixir of Healing, Shiney Uber Builder Boots etc. Only spawns at night - at least 8 hours between spawn. Eldritch died first time he did the quest but just ran back and finished it (only one of the 3 guys was left!!)- still got credit and drop. Second time pulled him out of the Beno bridge spawn area and down to the water - was much easier without those albions chewing on my head. Jul 1 2004

Drops:
Elixir of Healing Jul 4 2004
- Nocre

Pitchfork of Dhoom Level 50 Farmer Tool
31 Strength
31 Constitution
11194534310 Parry

Unless you are running a top character, Kagato is best done with 2.5 full groups . Best set up Ive found for this is below.

Bard
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Champion

Bard
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Druid
Blademaster

Hope it drops for you !

haha, good one

 

[Bracken]

That made me laugh though. Solo if he's not taking some towers or humping the bridges with some maters.

I'm sry Kagato, but you once stated that you "only do keepstuff if you really need to" but I've seen you an awesome lot doing siege in hib or being in range of known adders at bridges.

I'm not gonna add on solo fights, but I'm not really inclined to respect you like I used to.

Yeah, f*cking disgraceful he might get involved in taking keeps or being on bridges... :touch:

 

[liloe]

Yeah, f*cking disgraceful he might get involved in taking keeps or being on bridges... :touch:

That's not what I said, maybe re-read what I wrote and think a little before typing?

EDIT: Rather funny how people only read what they want to read.

 

[Gahn]

but correct.

the chance to die a violent death under saddam where much smaller than now in iraq.

then, doing political actions against the regime could get you in trouble, now shopping for grosseries on the market is a life threatening condition.


ofc i am joking, but think about it.

Err the chance of dieing to a violent death under Saddam was only aimed at % of population, now they kill each other happily without political and or religious meanings behind it.
That said after any dictatorship there's a civil war, more or less evident -.-
And anyway one less dictator > the rest.

 

[Bracken]

That's not what I said, maybe re-read what I wrote and think a little before typing?

EDIT: Rather funny how people only read what they want to read.

I know what you said - he once said he only gets involved in keep takes if he really needs to and yet you've seen him involved in keep takes and on bridges - so you now don't respect him like you used to. I just found that funny in my own little way...:touch:

 

[Dave J.]

the arms rr5 is very powerful vs tanks both solo and in group, what makes it good is that even after any meleers have stopped bashing on you, you can go offensive without having to cancel the ability (unlike tetsudo and hero rr5).

 

[Cemeterygates]

Oooh look, censi turned this into a Warguard whine, theres something new ! and it only took 2 pages. And this was NOT 1 on 1, if it was i'd of won. It was 4 vs 1 with an unwinnable combination of enemy classes so I just decided to last as long as possible and see how much power I could make them waste. If they had less healing power I may of tried to seriously win or take some down with me.

As for taking away skill factor, fine, take away my RR5, but if you do you better take away the champion RR5, the warrior rr5 and the hero rr5 all of which are equally as good if not far better.

And 30 seconds of 90% parry ? yes why can't I have that? when its totally useless against any ranged class or spellcaster, totally useless against duo's or multiple enemies, totally useless for group siturations and still comes with a heavy penalty?

I'd trade it for the champ rr5 or warrior rr5 any day, heck if I had the champ rr5 i'd probably of killed some that group.

tbh i think an armsman...especialy pole with champ RR5 would be totally ridiculous cos of the fact armsmen hit damn hard anyway...havent forgot the time i fought u an lasted all of 4 hits using IP2...lol...think the lowest hit was somethin like 700+ so i dont think it would be at all reasonable to be hittin for what...1500+....do u?

 

[Kagato]

That made me laugh though. Solo if he's not taking some towers or humping the bridges with some maters.

I'm sry Kagato, but you once stated that you "only do keepstuff if you really need to" but I've seen you an awesome lot doing siege in hib or being in range of known adders at bridges.

I'm not gonna add on solo fights, but I'm not really inclined to respect you like I used to.

EDIT: The defensive RR5 abilities are not bad at all, indeed they're quite good to counter ppl who just RA/ML dump on you. Ok and now please give me RR5 on my blademaster. My win/loss ratio atm is quite ugly =)

EDIT: Rather funny how people only read what they want to read.

Also rather funny how people only see a situration how they want to see it too is it not?

I originally said that I do not enjoy keep sieges all that much but see it as a necessity for defending my realm and therefore my own personal interests in the frontier, wether that be safe guarding my easy travel across the frontier, gaining relics, or saving my own.
I just happen to be pretty good at sieges due to being a heavy tank, warlord and somewhat experianced at them and have in the past led bg's and raids etc.

So what has changed? nothing, you put irvr in my frontier how can I NOT get involved? For a start, I hate having irvr in albion so im already have a huge incentive to do something about it wether I like it or not, secondly its not even safe to use the docks as everyone knows when you have 2 realms camping in your yard so you may as well be involved.

As for invading hib, damn right, best way to keep the irvr out of my land is to put it in yours, so if I can tip the balance, I will try damn hard to siege in other realms to stick irvr there so I can get back to the kind of RvR I enjoy.

My ideal is to have irvr in another land so I can choose to solo around HW or the realm without it, or if my guild is running a group I might join in the irvr if I feel like it or think my rps are dropping to much (cause solo on a visual quite frankly sucks for rps, I do it for fun).

As for being range of known adders, yes and? whats your point? Did they suddenly give armsmen the ability to push away realm mates out of clip range cause if they did I must of missed that patch note.

I travel at tank/horse speed. most soloers are stealthers or casters with speed, they can travel where they want and/or I can't see them. If theres adders around the enemy will know it more then me. And quite frankly I don't care even if I can see the so called adder, its not like im forcing you to attack me if you can see someone near me lol.

Whatever bullshit issues you have with me, at least be honest about it cause these excuses are pretty stupid and I shouldn't even have to explain them, most people with any degree of ability to see things from 2 sides wouldn't need it spelt out for them.