fao hibs

[Calo]

U do know that albs started ac raids ? and engage raids and...

albs did it, mids did it, hibs did it so lets leave the pointing out.

Afterall , things will not chance and aslong as u guys field 250+ (lol) ppl for a relic attack/defence, hibs and mids dont need to even try it primetime. And lets face it, albs have WAAAY better classes for keepfights then mids have, dunno bout hibs.

 

[Obs]

And we just felt like attacking Bold cos we liked the location and decor...

LOL , u should have seen the albs at ailinne

 

[Gordonax]

You deny the vast majori...no wait, its only mids and hibs that are denied any fun when you bring 250 people, the majority still enjoys it...

And who enjoys it when you raid at 6am, when there's a TOTAL of 100 people online? Oh, the NPCs?

 

[Bracken]

Missed all the fun tonight Funny thread though

 

[noaim]

And who enjoys it when you raid at 6am, when there's a TOTAL of 100 people online? Oh, the NPCs?

The 40 people attacking and the 20 people defending. I know albs really enjoy running over smaller numbers than their own, and think its the thrill of the lifetime, seeing they have only been doing it for 3 years now, but being the outnumbered side everytime isnt the same thrill, so until you played hib or mid on excal activley for a while, and tried to do some primetime raids, I dont think you should comment on who is destroying the enjoyment of others.

I dont think anyone pays their subs to make sure other people that I dont know have fun, if you do that, cheers to you, but I am not, and I am pretty sure that most others dont either.

 

[Gordonax]

U do know that albs started ac raids ? and engage raids and...

Yawn. Calo, you know the history of relic raids in the past year as well as I do. Don't come that "Albs started AC raids" crap - because, yes, Albs were the first to do an AC raid: over two years ago, when most of the people who play Alb these days weren't even playing.

albs did it, mids did it, hibs did it so lets leave the pointing out.

No, let's leave some pointing in. Hibs pissed Albs off, royally. Do you seriously think we'd have got that many for a relic raid had they not just done an AC raid? No. Had they taken it primetime, most Albs - me included - would have have said "nice one, well done". Instead, most Albs - me included - thought "fuck you Hibs".

I think everyone that's bothered to follow my post on here and on BW before knows I'm not one to take this game too seriously. Yet I'm pissed off with what the Hibs did, because frankly I thought better off them. Fact is, they did an alarm clock raid WITHOUT even trying a prime time raid in 1.71.

Afterall , things will not chance and aslong as u guys field 250+ (lol) ppl for a relic attack/defence, hibs and mids dont need to even try it primetime. And lets face it, albs have WAAAY better classes for keepfights then mids have, dunno bout hibs.

So we suck because we defend in numbers? Once again, you should go back to history: Remember Killgorde, and his "week of hell" relic raid? You think we'd be defending so much if you ground us down? But, no, that would take a little patience and a little planning - and that's something that, it appears, few people have.

 

[Gordonax]

The 40 people attacking and the 20 people defending.

Had those been the correct numbers, the relic raid would have failed. Unless you mess up entirely, a 2:1 advantage is not enough to do a successful relic raid.

I know albs really enjoy running over smaller numbers than their own, and think its the thrill of the lifetime, seeing they have only been doing it for 3 years now, but being the outnumbered side everytime isnt the same thrill, so until you played hib or mid on excal activley for a while, and tried to do some primetime raids, I dont think you should comment on who is destroying the enjoyment of others.

Except of course that we rarely had 2:1 advantages over Mids except when Mids gave up playing because they didn't have the relics. Please, go check the active RvR characters figures - but then I know that facts have rarely appealed to you over whining and rhetoric, so you probably won't bother.

I dont think anyone pays their subs to make sure other people that I dont know have fun, if you do that, cheers to you, but I am not, and I am pretty sure that most others dont either.

Actually, I'd like everyone to have fun. Everyone having fun is a good thing, because it means more people play more often, which is a good thing. Me losing doesn't mean me not having fun - I know that's a difficult concept for some people out there, but I'd rather lose and have a fun time doing it than win and be boring.

 

[Meril]

And who enjoys it when you raid at 6am, when there's a TOTAL of 100 people online? Oh, the NPCs?

Why would u think we cared about u having fun with your 2000 m8 ?

 

[kirennia]

Tuatalin: omfg, 2 mid zergs

lol, you should see the realmwar map from a hib or mid pov if you think 2 hammers is omfg

And since we can farm 3fg+ albs with our 1fg when you dont have anything to camp, who cares really.

Grats on outnumbering someone again tho.

If 1fg mids can kill 3fg albs so easily then what the hell do you care if albs outnumber mids 2 to 1......

 

[Gordonax]

Why would u think we cared about u having fun with your 2000 m8 ?

2000? I have no idea what you're talking about. 2000 albs? where? Please learn to (1) talk sense, and (2) stop calling me "m8" before posting again.

"k" "thx" "bye" as you little kiddies used to say about three years ago. Grow up and come back when you start shaving.

 

[noaim]

Had those been the correct numbers, the relic raid would have failed. Unless you mess up entirely, a 2:1 advantage is not enough to do a successful relic raid.



Except of course that we rarely had 2:1 advantages over Mids except when Mids gave up playing because they didn't have the relics. Please, go check the active RvR characters figures - but then I know that facts have rarely appealed to you over whining and rhetoric, so you probably won't bother.




Actually, I'd like everyone to have fun. Everyone having fun is a good thing, because it means more people play more often, which is a good thing. Me losing doesn't mean me not having fun - I know that's a difficult concept for some people out there, but I'd rather lose and have a fun time doing it than win and be boring.

Albs running over smaller numbers than their own dont have to mean 2:1 ratio afaik. According to albs it was 150 hibs defending today, while albs had 250, so with your reasoning, todays relicraid never succeeded, or people make up numbers. And 40 vs 20 was rounded figures, if 45 vs 15 sounds better to you, it works for me too, the point still was that those 45 attackers and 15 defenders prolly had fun, or at least the 45 attackers, while today, guess what, only the attacking realm had fun too.

And one more thing, tell me how mids or hibs are supposed to do a primetime RR, if 2:1 advantage is not enough, when they are usually outnumbered by the same figures.

 

[noaim]

If 1fg mids can kill 3fg albs so easily then what the hell do you care if albs outnumber mids 2 to 1......

Because you dont run 3fg?

 

[Gordonax]

Albs running over smaller numbers than their own dont have to mean 2:1 ratio afaik. According to albs it was 150 hibs defending today, while albs had 250, so with your reasoning, todays relicraid never succeeded, or people make up numbers. And 40 vs 20 was rounded figures, if 45 vs 15 sounds better to you, it works for me too, the point still was that those 45 attackers and 15 defenders prolly had fun, or at least the 45 attackers, while today, guess what, only the attacking realm had fun too.

Yes, you're sort-of right - but if you want to simply zerg relics, a 2:1 ratio isn't enough. You need a plan with less than that.

So a total of 60 players had fun, on an alarm clock raid? Somewhat less than you'll get on any primetime raid. I've been involved in a dozen defences - some of which we lost, some of which we won - and there's never been less than four times that number involved solely on the Alb side.

In fact, that's what really pisses me off about the whole alarm clock raid thing. I've had loads and loads of great nights defending relics, even when eventually we've lost them. The people who think AC raids are good basically say "fuck you, fuck everyone who might want to attack/defend relics, all I care about is that plus +20%". No matter how you slice and dice it, that is a piss-poor attitude to take.

 

[kirennia]

Because you dont run 3fg?

Seen me run recently? I run in single FGs roaming. But the point still stands. If you can take out 3 times your numbers so easily then why are you worried if albs bring out twice as many as you

 

[UriZeN]

mebbe u should think of not gathering ppl for defense when the numbers are insanely larger that the ones u will be able to muster. just let the have the relic and dont give them any rps. when this happens some times maybe the guardian-warder rp horny mules stay xping for a change and leave the grown ups have some fun!

ps. whining for alb numbers is like whining when it rains and u dont have an umbrella,in other words get an umbrella or dont go out when it rains!

 

[Gordonax]

And one more thing, tell me how mids or hibs are supposed to do a primetime RR, if 2:1 advantage is not enough, when they are usually outnumbered by the same figures.

HIbs and Mids are at no more of a numerical disadvantage than they have ever been, and yet in the past both realms have been capable of primetime raids. Nol showed how to to primetimes iwith lower numbers n OF, as did Ardamel. The Prydwen Hibs - who are, if anything, worse off than the Excal bunch - can do primetime raids in NF, even pre-1.71. So what's stopping you from doing the same?

 

[Gordonax]

mebbe u should think of not gathering ppl for defense when the numbers are insanely larger that the ones u will be able to muster.

Look up "Killgorde" and learn how to make the large numbers magically become small numbers.

Hint: it's all about making your opponents think you're NOT doing a relic raid.

 

[noaim]

Yes, you're sort-of right - but if you want to simply zerg relics, a 2:1 ratio isn't enough. You need a plan with less than that.

So a total of 60 players had fun, on an alarm clock raid? Somewhat less than you'll get on any primetime raid. I've been involved in a dozen defences - some of which we lost, some of which we won - and there's never been less than four times that number involved solely on the Alb side.

In fact, that's what really pisses me off about the whole alarm clock raid thing. I've had loads and loads of great nights defending relics, even when eventually we've lost them. The people who think AC raids are good basically say "fuck you, fuck everyone who might want to attack/defend relics, all I care about is that plus +20%". No matter how you slice and dice it, that is a piss-poor attitude to take.

Thats the problem. "and there's never been less than four times that number involved solely on the Alb side." Correct me if I missunderstand you, but you are saying that there never been less than 240 albs there those times you have been there. I can imagine you are having fun, but as I said, most hibs and mids prolly dont play their subs to entertain you, and I really doubt they are having fun fighting those numbers, when they wouldnt even get your number even if every lvl 50 player and buffbot online came. I dont think you will ever look out from your desk and actually face that albs are too many, and the ratio you get outnumbered with on morningraids, are often the same ratio that you outnumber the opponent with on primetime. So you dont have fun being outnumbered 2:1, what makes you think its fun for hibs or mids?

And before Kirennia makes another bright comment, I dont mind being outnumbered 2:1 or more when its 20-30 people on the other side, and we have a good fg, I like good fights, if its vs other set groups, I prefer 8 vs 8, if its vs "random" people, its more fun if they have enough for the fight to be even, than if they have same number and just get run over. But vs 60+ people MORE than you have yourself, its not very much to do, because whoever you target, whoever you interupt, there is always someone else free to nuke or interupt you.

 

[noaim]

Seen me run recently? I run in single FGs roaming. But the point still stands. If you can take out 3 times your numbers so easily then why are you worried if albs bring out twice as many as you

I didnt say we can take 3x our numbers, I said 1fg can take 3fg, thats a huge difference.

 

[noaim]

HIbs and Mids are at no more of a numerical disadvantage than they have ever been, and yet in the past both realms have been capable of primetime raids. Nol showed how to to primetimes iwith lower numbers n OF, as did Ardamel. The Prydwen Hibs - who are, if anything, worse off than the Excal bunch - can do primetime raids in NF, even pre-1.71. So what's stopping you from doing the same?

Hi, welcome to the english server. The current patch is 1.71 so what people could do in OF means less than Smilewhenyousaythats existance on this planet.

About people on different server, I wont comment on that since I dont play prydwen, but get primetime figures from both servers and compare em, and post em, would be interesting.

Hope you aint going to bed btw, its fun to discuss and great postfarming

 

[Meril]

2000? I have no idea what you're talking about. 2000 albs? where? Please learn to (1) talk sense, and (2) stop calling me "m8" before posting again.

"k" "thx" "bye" as you little kiddies used to say about three years ago. Grow up and come back when you start shaving.

Why would i have to talk sense ? .. not like u would listen to it anyway .. oki m8 ?

 

[Gordonax]

Thats the problem. "and there's never been less than four times that number involved solely on the Alb side." Correct me if I missunderstand you, but you are saying that there never been less than 240 albs there those times you have been there. I can imagine you are having fun, but as I said, most hibs and mids prolly dont play their subs to entertain you, and I really doubt they are having fun fighting those numbers, when they wouldnt even get your number even if every lvl 50 player and buffbot online came. I dont think you will ever look out from your desk and actually face that albs are too many, and the ratio you get outnumbered with on morningraids, are often the same ratio that you outnumber the opponent with on primetime. So you dont have fun being outnumbered 2:1, what makes you think its fun for hibs or mids?

Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding me I'm not saying that there's been four times as many Albs as anyone else, I'm saying that there's been 240-odd Albs willing to defend their frontier (I've only once been on a relic raid that had that many - the infamous Lac/Herbal raid, when although there wasn't that many on the raid itself, there was that many in the CG, including people holding gates etc).

Can Hibs/Mids bring that many? Probably not Hibs, but I've seen 80 Mids come to retake a single, unimportant keep so I suspect that Mid could bring 100+ it it really wanted to.

And the point I made about Killgorde's raids is the most important: if you don't have the numbers, wear down your enemy. That still remains the best tactic I've ever seen used for a relic raid.

 

[UriZeN]

Look up "Killgorde" and learn how to make the large numbers magically become small numbers.

Hint: it's all about making your opponents think you're NOT doing a relic raid.

there will be always ppl to inform ur opponents if it is or it isnt a relic raid!!

 

[Gordonax]

Hi, welcome to the english server. The current patch is 1.71 so what people could do in OF means less than Smilewhenyousaythats existance on this planet.

Indeed, you make my point for me. Post 1.71, things were supposed to get much easier for lower population realms in relic raids. Yet did our Hibbeh friends bother to try a prime time raid in 1.71? Nah....

About people on different server, I wont comment on that since I dont play prydwen, but get primetime figures from both servers and compare em, and post em, would be interesting.

Will do

 

[Gordonax]

Why would i have to talk sense ? .. not like u would listen to it anyway .. oki m8 ?

Actually, I listen to everyone who makes sense, no matter what their realm.

In your case, /dismiss. Please come back when you have an opinion worth anyone's time to read.

 

[Nomans Land]

Tbh you all whine to much... You win some, you lose some, get over it, its a game! God knows what your gonna be like when you have to deal with IRL :s

 

[noaim]

Yeah, I think you're misunderstanding me I'm not saying that there's been four times as many Albs as anyone else, I'm saying that there's been 240-odd Albs willing to defend their frontier (I've only once been on a relic raid that had that many - the infamous Lac/Herbal raid, when although there wasn't that many on the raid itself, there was that many in the CG, including people holding gates etc).

Can Hibs/Mids bring that many? Probably not Hibs, but I've seen 80 Mids come to retake a single, unimportant keep so I suspect that Mid could bring 100+ it it really wanted to.

And the point I made about Killgorde's raids is the most important: if you don't have the numbers, wear down your enemy. That still remains the best tactic I've ever seen used for a relic raid.

Actually, thats what I said, or rather asked, if you never had less than 240 people on a relicdefense when you been there, so I didnt missunderstand you

I am sure mids can bring 100+ people, /who pennine today showed 131, but it doesnt help when you can bring 200+. And while Killgordes raid was great, lets face it, there was no guardspam (I think), no zergicons, no prewarning by taking towers, no porting if no tower was taken, and no burning keep when it was attacked. Today its possible to chose if you wanna come, because you know exactly if the relic is under attack or not.

 

[Gordonax]

there will be always ppl to inform ur opponents if it is or it isnt a relic raid!!

Yawn. Like all realms don't have so-called "spies".

(personally, I call them cheating scum bastards).

 

[UriZeN]

Tbh you all whine to much... You win some, you lose some, get over it, its a game! God knows what your gonna be like when you have to deal with IRL :s

if ppl dont whine the only thing left in this forum will be gratz posts.So feel free to whine about ppl whining

 

[UriZeN]

Yawn. Like all realms don't have so-called "spies".

(personally, I call them cheating scum bastards).

i didnt say only 1 realm has spies i just rendered ur point invalid!