Excal community needs to change big time!!

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kenshee-himura

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This is not a flame thread or critics not pointed to any realm in specific (xept that Abion part) So plz dont start flamming calling each other names (Blame mythic and goa if u want to see changes)Pretty long thread :D

For a very long time now the excallibur community has been more or less unpleasent, whines about patches, rvr situations, epic hunt drops and other things really have gotten out of hand.
I mean everyone knows the gazillion savages are overpowered threads, np with posting it once or twice but not 2000 times, we all know savages are somewhat strong and that albion and hibernia arent really happy with it.
Problem is the whining isnt gonna solve anything, ppl will not stop playing savages and we cant do nothing about it except trying harder in RvR to kill em and guard the low HP classes.

Then we got the zerg threads... those really already exceded the gazillion number and reached new hights.
BLah blah hibs zerg 4 fg blah blah albs zerg blah blah np sucks u guys zerg jada jada jada.
Zergs happen, they will continue to happen for some reasons, fault of players who make zergs, crappy rvr zones u name it a thousand reasons why zergs will happen we can help it to get it less often to happen by going to all rvr zones, odins is pretty busy lately (keep takes etc) but not really in high numbers.
HW is 99% of the time silent.
SO maybe if the 130 albs in emain would spread and got 40 to each realm we actually might have some fun.
Because tbh emain is boring... fights are always @ same locations some grps can own almost anything (GoL,NP,CF,...)
So split up a bit (hw seems most intressting RvR zone imho)
*Dream mode on*
Then are the rules of engagement: They are none existant only one rule Kill on sight...
How much I enjoyed fighting 1Fg vs 1Fg and sometimes a nice fight starts and ur giving it ur best and after 10 mins of fighting u die yet /g has happy remarks : "We did good" "We lasted long"
"I should've done that instead of this" "Nice combat rezzes"
I mean where is the challenge by killing other grps with Mobile Strike Force RA. Ok sometimes 1FG vs 2fg randoms is neccesary to have a slight chance but hey get expierence, make balanced grps and get better.
I mean (no offence) NP,CF,GoL,other good guilds aint run by gods they are humans who know how to play so anyone should be able to learn. So give it a try :D
*Dream mode off*
Then of course we got the in realm whiners specially those at epic hunts : Whine why did he get a drop whine he's only RR2 whine omg 2H pala got ubersword whine
Simple answer to this you want the items that bad? Apoc spawn rate is 8-10 hourse not 1 week so do 5-6 hunts instead of 1 hunt.
Some "whines" are legit tho seing some buffbot running arround with sidi items (strike that cleric with lightning and insta delete his char blowing up his comp) is just useless but then again in alb it's always greed before need...

Anyway this thread was writtin cause i was bored studying my maths hope it'ill have some impact on the community casue tbh it needs to change cause I think this is getting like a counter-strike community... Calling everyone and everything noob, cheater, wall hacker and what not.

*edit If you want to reply here dont whine or flame plz*
 
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Crashtje

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agreed, but with peeps leik glottis , karate etc about , what can you do ?

You have a few honest posters who are turned on and just turn into the flaming horde :/ as far as i can see , it`ll always be the same. its got to the point where someone being flamed for reacching RR8 , bcos he is a savage - liek in-game racists .
 
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duact

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dont know how u got the impression of GoL beeing a god guild that kills evrything, imo they suck and zerg and cant do shit 1fg vs 1fg.
 
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katt!

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Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
agreed, but with peeps leik glottis , karate etc about , what can you do ?

You have a few honest posters who are turned on and just turn into the flaming horde :/ as far as i can see , it`ll always be the same. its got to the point where someone being flamed for reacching RR8 , bcos he is a savage - liek in-game racists .
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you forgot to mention fucktards like yourself.
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
agreed, but with peeps leik glottis , karate etc about , what can you do ?

You have a few honest posters who are turned on and just turn into the flaming horde :/ as far as i can see , it`ll always be the same. its got to the point where someone being flamed for reacching RR8 , bcos he is a savage - liek in-game racists .
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Not sure who started flaming here... me or you?
Noob....
Regards, Glottis
 
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Ensceptifica

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I'm still crusading to make people see their own stupidity on these boards so they stop spreading it like the bubonic plague ( ;
 
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Archeon

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Truth is if you took out the whine then there'd be very little to talk about. BW is about 85% whine, 15% worth-while and original material :(
 
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glorien_

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Originally posted by duact
dont know how u got the impression of GoL beeing a god guild that kills evrything, imo they suck and zerg and cant do shit 1fg vs 1fg.
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LoL - i think this is exactly what kenshee is talking about...

IMO this is the community and its never gonna change - people are always gonna be pissed off when they die to greater numbers etc etc.

Mythic/GOA whoever have made this game this way and the community talks/whine like the game - what i think should happen is that they make some serious changes to the game and experiment cause this game is getting old..

For example why not reduce mezz durations in RvR and see what happens cause IMO if they made mezz shorter it means alot more charging would happen cos atm its "Charge!!" and within seconds ure all mezzed with a chanter standing in the middle of you...
 
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censi

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kind of agree.

its too hardcore.

The game should be fun. you should be able to put a nice RVR guild group togther full of mixed classes and still be able to compete.

Some guilds have taken it to far and play purley to pwn... nothing else.
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by Archeon
Truth is if you took out the whine then there'd be very little to talk about. BW is about 85% whine, 15% worth-while and original material :(
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On the other hand, some people who have genuinely something to talk about will think twice before posting it here, knowing what kind of response they're likely to get. If you have something to say that you think an intellectual audience of sensible people would like to hear, would you feel like saying it to an audience of screaming kindergarten monsters who are all in a grumpy mood, who are all the worst loser in their class, and who are all incapable of making coherent sentences in reply?

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My point being: Yes I agree with the topic starter, and I think without the whiners other more sensible people will pop up to take their place ( ;
 
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censi

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there is a lot of whining in daoc.

specially over raids.

I wanted to rework my character so started raiding galla loads to get a broodmother fang. Got respecs to go poke, sold up all my old SC kits stuff. Took me about 10 raids to finally win the item.

and rather than a gratz, things like:

"Another Blade specced ranger takes the best poker."

or "Why do all the roleplayers get all the good items and not us Rvr'ers" (despite being the 2nd highest ranked active ranger on the server)

Resentment and hate run deep in daoc.

It tends to come from people that have got consumed with the game and have to much time on their hands. but this in tern makes me chuckle all the more when I think how people get pissed off.

There are 3 moments in daoc that are important

1) When you first start playing DAOC
2) When you leave DAOC
3) What you do in between

all that really counts is to try and be a nice person and to take the experience for what it is, a computer game.
 
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bracken_woodman

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Originally posted by censi
kind of agree.

its too hardcore.

The game should be fun. you should be able to put a nice RVR guild group togther full of mixed classes and still be able to compete.

Some guilds have taken it to far and play purley to pwn... nothing else.
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Agreed. It would be nice if rvr wasn't so dependent on having the perfect set up involving such a small range of classes and specs. And it is also such a shame that so many people have taken their need to be good at a game to such an extreme that they now look down their noses at lesser mortals who play characters because they just like the concept.
 
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censi

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moving to another server wont help.

Excalibur is just ahead of the times, other servers will follow the same route. Its the game that needs to change
 
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adari

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Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
agreed, but with peeps leik glottis , karate etc about , what can you do ?

You have a few honest posters who are turned on and just turn into the flaming horde :/ as far as i can see , it`ll always be the same. its got to the point where someone being flamed for reacching RR8 , bcos he is a savage - liek in-game racists .
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lol

says u, stfu
 
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Belsameth

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
On the other hand, some people who have genuinely something to talk about will think twice before posting it here, knowing what kind of response they're likely to get. If you have something to say that you think an intellectual audience of sensible people would like to hear, would you feel like saying it to an audience of screaming kindergarten monsters who are all in a grumpy mood, who are all the worst loser in their class, and who are all incapable of making coherent sentences in reply?

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My point being: Yes I agree with the topic starter, and I think without the whiners other more sensible people will pop up to take their place ( ;
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can't do much then quote this post and nod in agreement, smiling that I actually found someone with a brain in the excal forums :)
 
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old.Nol

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Nothing wrong with the community, just the Mids and Albs that suck!

:D
 
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Amadon

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agree (with original post)
i'll stop whining about savages :eek:
 
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Solarius

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It would be nice to imagine a community where there was no whining etc, but sadly that really is too much to wish for. Even if the game was truely balanced, we wouldn't escape this.

Danger! Psychoanalyst mode! Skip if you're not trying to get a morning nap

The root of the problem lies not in the game itself, but in society as a whole. We live in an environment where image is everything, from how you look, the kind of phone you have to even your character in an online game being the best. It's only human then, when faced with failure from whatever cause, to try and blame the system. Even if you yourself was the cause of you dying, it's much easier to blame overpowered classes/RAs or even point an accusatory finger and cry cheat. In the same way, when you succeed, it's very easy to suggest that it was good play on your part rather than even toy with the possibility that you have an unplanned advantage in the situation.

Going back to the topic, even people wishing a great competitive healthy community can fall into the human failing trap. It's too easy to blame kids/idiots/forum trolls for the atitudes prevailant on the boards. The only thing we really can do to try and improve is to think and reread before hitting the 'submit' button.


Edit: Maybe I should've listened to myself and reread first :doh: Editted for spelling
 
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Lumikki

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These boards are pretty much just a place where people think i'm cooler and can make a bigger and more pointless flame about something, that will never change. And as mentioned the "professional" flamers just bring more spice to it with having nothing but negative comments, no matter what the subject is. But then again the community is not that bad.. many usefull things and interesting posts to read, even make you smile sometimes :)

That's my take on the issue :)

xx
 
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old.Zoyster

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Originally posted by duact
dont know how u got the impression of GoL beeing a god guild that kills evrything, imo they suck and zerg and cant do shit 1fg vs 1fg.
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What has this got to do with the subject?

And why do you feel it necessary to bring useless info to the table ? I think its people like you that he talking about IMO
 
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Tualatin

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You're right Kenshee, but people don't change for a game.

This isn't the first post about this subject, there are/were (many) others. And still haven't changed.

Even if all the 3 realms had access to the same things (read: equal) there would be whine, because then all the 'skilled' players would play one realm and the bad another etc.etc.

It's a mmorpg (didn't know that right? :p), and people are free to choose what realm they wanna play (causes imbalance).. and since the realms aren't equal, never will be, and shouldn't be this won't stop.
 
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Asha

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Originally posted by old.Nol
Nothing wrong with the community, just the Mids and Albs that suck!

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/slap nol

!

/kiss nol better

:D
 
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Archeon

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Originally posted by Solarius
Danger! Psychoanalyst mode! Skip if you're not trying to get a morning nap

The root of the problem lies not in the game itself, but in society as a whole. We live in an environment where image is everything, from how you look, the kind of phone you have to even your character in an online game being the best. It's only human then, when faced with failure from whatever cause, to try and blame the system. Even if you yourself was the cause of you dying, it's much easier to blame overpowered classes/RAs or even point an accusatory finger and cry cheat. In the same way, when you succeed, it's very easy to suggest that it was good play on your part rather than even toy with the possibility that you have an unplanned advantage in the situation.

Going back to the topic, even people wishing a great competitive healthy community can fall into the human failing trap. It's too easy to blame kids/idiots/forum trolls for the atitudes prevailant on the boards. The only thing we really can do to try and improve is to think and reread before hitting the 'submit' button.
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Well said :clap:
 
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Belsameth

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Originally posted by Solarius
Danger! Psychoanalyst mode! Skip if you're not trying to get a morning nap

The root of the problem lies not in the game itself, but in society as a whole. [/i] <snip>
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tho an interesting theory, I think what's more imporant is that people can't really be held responsible for their behaviour here and in game.
we're nothing more then names on a screen, with complete freedom to make our own image, to be who we want and do what we want without ever suffering the consequences. unfortunatly very few people handle such freedom well and revert to what you see here on BW and encounter in game.

Freedom is great, but unfortunatly man is ill equiped to handle it
 
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