Europe going back into BST

[psyco]

Nice post, even though everyone will argue about it for the next six month anyway.

Bring on winter I guess

what are we arguing about?

 

[Ging]

whether voyager would beat a star destroyer

 

[psyco]

i hope thats sarcasm!

but i think arwing would win

 

[Legean]

As far as the other reasons for having daylight savings go i guess they are why we keep it but as i know it DST was made to aid farmers, as back in the day everyone was one, to increase the number of daylight hours they had to work in as if it was too dark they couldn't do anything. So yeh basically what everyone else said.

PS. i get confused already with times so do as i do and just ask everyone else

 

[psyco]

As far as the other reasons for having daylight savings go i guess they are why we keep it but as i know it DST was made to aid farmers, as back in the day everyone was one, to increase the number of daylight hours they had to work in as if it was too dark they couldn't do anything. So yeh basically what everyone else said.

PS. i get confused already with times so do as i do and just ask everyone else

your confuced by time? the problem being weather to + hours or - hours?
or understanding what people mean?

im not trying to offend you or anyone, but if your confuced by the numbers you should seek some help, also im not saying that im a mathmaticion, im far from it i avarged D/E grates at school... sorry for rambling

 

[Golena]

So it still all comes down to people that forget to set the clock an hour forward. I still think it's useless asking raid leaders to post the right time.

Mithra Raid
This weeks time 7pm GMT, 8pm CET

Next weeks time 8pm GMT, 9pm CET

plz...

If he made a reminder post to set the clock forward, or meant to, I retract my remark and give him a nice rep point. But adressing raid leaders.. zzz

Congratulations on being todays idiot!

Now go read the post again and realise why your wrong. Then realise that this post was made for people like you that DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS and stop flaming someone doing YOU a favour.

 

[GReaper]

I realy dont need a link to know what the clock is.... not even during the summer.
Thanks tho.

Perhaps you do.

tomkins@gentoo ~ $ TZ="Europe/Copenhagen" date
Sat Mar 25 02:31:15 CET 2006
tomkins@gentoo ~ $ TZ="Europe/Copenhagen" date -d "2 days"
Mon Mar 27 02:31:15 CEST 2006

CEST during summer, not CET.

 

[hathor]

Congratulations on being todays idiot!

weehhee broha got the COOL title, can i get it for tomorrow?

serious, we are not english we are dutch we dont know how all the weird things work in england..... act like a grown up imo, and stop using your nickname to be the macho man, ok? if you wanna teach something to a person do it in a nother way, but your ways is not the way ok? calling people idiots is not nice @ all

regards barrin

 

[Tosen]

Perhaps you do.

tomkins@gentoo ~ $ TZ="Europe/Copenhagen" date
Sat Mar 25 02:31:15 CET 2006
tomkins@gentoo ~ $ TZ="Europe/Copenhagen" date -d "2 days"
Mon Mar 27 02:31:15 CEST 2006

CEST during summer, not CET.

Central European Time, is the time in central europe - how on earth can that change? CET is in the summer GMT + 2, and during winter time, GMT+1

I have honestly never seen CEST or CEWT (cute?) been used, or anything like it.

Only in england they would make such a fuss about it.
Us, "the others", we just take it as a normal thing: "Wow it's summertime, I'll set my clocks 1 hour forward"
Englishmen: "Aw ma gawd! It's not GMT?! BST?! what tha 'ell! Blimey! What's with that? Where am I"


Like a person said earlier - it's summer time... go set your clocks... big deal ;X

To the Islam fellas out there it's difficult, they have to set their clocks 365 years ahead or so ;X

 

[psyco]

weehhee broha got the COOL title, can i get it for tomorrow?

serious, we are not english we are dutch we dont know how all the weird things work in england..... act like a grown up imo, and stop using your nickname to be the macho man, ok? if you wanna teach something to a person do it in a nother way, but your ways is not the way ok? calling people idiots is not nice @ all

regards barrin

lol

you do realise that like us you have to change your clocks aswell, works that way to here

Central European Time, is the time in central europe - how on earth can that change? CET is in the summer GMT + 2, and during winter time, GMT+1

I have honestly never seen CEST or CEWT (cute?) been used, or anything like it.

Only in england they would make such a fuss about it.
Us, "the others", we just take it as a normal thing: "Wow it's summertime, I'll set my clocks 1 hour forward"
Englishmen: "Aw ma gawd! It's not GMT?! BST?! what tha 'ell! Blimey! What's with that? Where am I"


Like a person said earlier - it's summer time... go set your clocks... big deal ;X

To the Islam fellas out there it's difficult, they have to set their clocks 365 years ahead or so ;X

its not like the english run around all summer going 'its BST!!!'

most english people forget that its BST, then they here on the news(or whatever) that they have to adust the clocks and they just do.

your making a big deal out of nothing

this isn't a post telling y'all to ajust your clocks anyway

 

[Levin]

Hammer time!!!! do-do-do-do.... baaa baaaa ..... do-do-do-do

 

[Sharaft]

confusion about what? Can't imagine people having trouble setting the clock an hour forward. And it has nothing to do with raids as everyone gets +1... ie. the times will still be the same for every1 next week. You only have an hour less sleep

The thing is really that some actually forgets to do this...

 

[Kerith]

Hehe

 

[Shenysh]

tis easy to sort....







..... invite only people from your country (btw i dont give a shit if your country spans two timezones, move to a country that doesnt and stop bitching). Lets get the walls up between sexy England and the rest of the scabs in Europe who are all commies irl and stink of a warlocks g-string after a weekend bridge camping session.


Alternatively just say for eg. "meeting aerus 5pm english time."


All peewee countries know how far ahead or behind english time they are.

Can you sign my boob?:worthy:

 

[Tualatin]

oh just.. GMT used in summer actually means summer time in UK.. unofficialy. same as CET.


and noone uses CEST lol.

 

[Mall]

Can you sign my boob?:worthy:

omg, don't tempt him

 

[Esselinithia]

Only in england they would make such a fuss about it.
Us, "the others", we just take it as a normal thing: "Wow it's summertime, I'll set my clocks 1 hour forward"
Englishmen: "Aw ma gawd! It's not GMT?! BST?! what tha 'ell! Blimey! What's with that? Where am I"

Tosen: It isn't this easy, and let me tell you why.

CET means Central European Time, if you go a bit south to Africa, will you speak about European time? No, you won't. And while we have Summer here, people far down the south, can have winter, or can be unaffected by summer/winter time problems, we shouldn't care about it, since CET is European time.

GMT is a reference point, universal and international, so it should work in Africa too, etc. so it shouldn't have summer time factored in (when it can work in reverse to the south). How english can benefit from Daylight Saving (DST?): By adding a BST to the picture.

This is why in summer there is a difference between English time and GMT. But does it affect the english people only? No, since the difference between english and central european time is constant, the difference between GMT and CET isn't.

At winter: 8PM GMT = 8PM English Time = 9PM CET
At Summer: 8PM GMT = 9PM English time (BST) = 10 PM CET
8PM English time (BST) = 7PM GMT = 9 PM CET
So a raid at 8PM GMT and a raid at 8PM english time doesn't start the same time in the summer. Not even for us Europeans

 

[Rickie]

Tosen: It isn't this easy, and let me tell you why.

This is why in summer there is a difference between English time and GMT. But does it affect the english people only? No, since the difference between english and central european time is constant, the difference between GMT and CET isn't.

At winter: 8PM GMT = 8PM English Time = 9PM CET
At Summer: 8PM GMT = 9PM English time (BST) = 10 PM CET
8PM English time (BST) = 7PM GMT = 9 PM CET
So a raid at 8PM GMT and a raid at 8PM english time doesn't start the same time in the summer. Not even for us Europeans

Esselinithia, - now let me tell you something.

All over europa we use summer/winter-time. No big fuzz over that tbh. That is what we non-uk'er is trying to tell you uk'er. Its no big deal really.

At winter: 8PM GMT = 8PM English Time = 21.00 CET
At Summer: 8PM GMT = 9PM English time (BST) = 21.00 CET/wintertime = 22.00 CET/summertime
8PM English time (BST) = 7PM GMT = 20.00 CET/wintertime = 21.00 CET/summertime

Only diffrence is still 1 hour..... and just for your information .... noone use CEST! We just say CET all year.

So, for everyone's sanity - list it as "UK time" or BST not "GMT".

/mum

 

[Esselinithia]

Rickie: Read before post a reply.

1st: I am NOT UKer
2nd: Never said anything about CEST
3rd: From GMT to CET the difference is 2 hours now not 1, so you don't know the difference

Why? Because GMT can't be affected by summer time since on the southern continent it is winter now, and it is the reference for all other time zones.

So summer time means 1 extra hour difference from GMT. The difference between CET and GMT can be either 1 hour (winter) or 2 hour (not still 1, but 2 on summer).

When you managed to understand, you will know why it is important.

 

[psyco]

just for your information .... noone use CEST! We just say CET all year.

you/they should
understand that like you 'we' dont use BST when we should... we just refer to AM/PM

 

[Flimgoblin]

I think technically it's CEST but it doesn't actually matter since everyone calls it CET and only the people who refer to countries in that timezone that all follow the same daylight savings pattern use it.

No country lists itself as CET+5 for example

GMT is a different kettle of fish because it's used outside britain - BST isn't.

GMT never changes.

Technically CET doesn't but since almost everyone refers to CEST as CET it might as well do. The popular interpretation of the term "CET" changes to mean GMT+2 during the summer rather than GMT+1 during the winter. And since there's really no reason for anyone to be confused by it it doesn't really matter.

GMT DOES NOT CHANGE - it stays at its year-round level. If GMT changed it'd confuse the hell out of everyone since a lot of places list themselves as GMT+x (e.g. dubai is GMT+5 I believe, I think it stays GMT+5 during the summer so it's currently only 4 hours ahead, not 5 - Hawkwind can confirm for us I'm sure)

So, to make life simple:

Call it UK time if you normally post in GMT

(call it CET if you normally post in CET because noone is likely to interpret CET as UTC+1 instead of UTC+2 at this time of year)

 

[Marty]

Its the time of the year for this old argument again I guess, I think at the end of the day if anyone posting a raid time can post their start time as either UK time or CET then noone should miss out due to confusion.

 

[psyco]

Its the time of the year for this old argument again I guess, I think at the end of the day if anyone posting a raid time can post their start time as either UK time or CET then noone should miss out due to confusion.

CET is the same as what uk tme is currently, both GMT+1

 

[Vergiir]

The point is that if you post your raid as 7pm UKtime 8 CET then people will turn up at the right time. Where as if you posted 7pm GMT you couldnt be sure what they meant.

 

[Flimgoblin]

CET is the same as what uk tme is currently, both GMT+1

That's its definition, however almost everyone will read CET to mean GMT+2 at the moment.

Difference with calling BST GMT (which would be fine if it was all UK time people here, or even just all UK/CET because then everyone would know what you meant) is that someone on GMT+5 will be going "hrm so that's 7pm GMT, so midnight here, right - excellent!" and turn up an hour late, missing the raid.

They're not anywhere near as likely to go "hrm CET, I'm CET+4!".

CET is not used as a reference, GMT is.
Therefore calling CEST CET is not a problem, calling BST GMT is.

 

[psyco]

That's its definition, however almost everyone will read CET to mean GMT+2 at the moment.

Difference with calling BST GMT (which would be fine if it was all UK time people here, or even just all UK/CET because then everyone would know what you meant) is that someone on GMT+5 will be going "hrm so that's 7pm GMT, so midnight here, right - excellent!" and turn up an hour late, missing the raid.

They're not anywhere near as likely to go "hrm CET, I'm CET+4!".

CET is not used as a reference, GMT is.
Therefore calling CEST CET is not a problem, calling BST GMT is.

still incorrect, and many inteligent people should pick up on that, anyway thats me being petantric(incorrect spelling?)

as far as im concerned the value 'CET' is GMT+1
and 'CEST' is GMT+2
and 'BST' is GMT+1

i dont think you should encourage people to use CET in the summer time, but i realise that people will forget and do it anyway or not care...
but theres the possibillity that people will get confuced

 

[Flimgoblin]

when someone says CET during the summer months - they mean CEST.

There is almost no reason to refer to a (real) CET time during daylight saving hours therefore there is not going to be any confusion unless someone is intentionally being pedantic. If you say 8pm CET on Tuesday 28th March 2006, anyone on CET/CEST will interpret that as 8pm CEST without even thinking about it.

If you say 8pm GMT on Tuesday 28th March 2006 - it's unclear whether you really mean 8pm GMT, or if you just forgot that you're in BST.

Context is an important part of language and communication. In this context - CET obviously means CEST, noone in their right mind would set up a raid for 8pm CET and actually mean GMT+1 at this time of year. So if someone says CET you can safely assume they mean CEST.

GMT's meaning is unclear (due to the number of people posting GMT when they mean BST) because it has other uses - GMT is in use at this time of year for anything outside the UK/continental timezones therefore when you say 8pm GMT it is not safe to assume they meant 8pm BST.

In otherwords - if you post CET and mean CEST noone will give a monkeys (except maybe the odd pedant), if you post GMT and meant BST you will annoy people who turn up late.

 

[Rickie]

Rickie: Read before post a reply.

1st: I am NOT UKer

I cant read from your post where you are from tbh.

2nd: Never said anything about CEST

No. But I did.

3rd: From GMT to CET the difference is 2 hours now not 1, so you don't know the difference

At Summer: 8PM GMT = 9PM English time (BST) = 21.00 CET/wintertime = 22.00 CET/summertime

So yes.... obviously I do.

Why? Because GMT can't be affected by summer time since on the southern continent it is winter now, and it is the reference for all other time zones.

So summer time means 1 extra hour difference from GMT. The difference between CET and GMT can be either 1 hour (winter) or 2 hour (not still 1, but 2 on summer).

At Summer: 8PM GMT = 9PM English time (BST) = 21.00 CET/wintertime = 22.00 CET/summertime

:touch:

When you managed to understand, you will know why it is important.

IF you can managed to make a new reply without beeing condescending I will reply. If not, - I wont!

/mum

 

[Dukat]

Can I just say that this post made my day... a heated debate about what time it will be next week, and what that time should be called, wasnt exactly what I expected when I clicked the 'FH' link on my favorites today

also, is UKer pronounced "you-kay-err" or "ukk-err". because I dont want to be an "ukkerr"

 

[Pertan]

So what really happened was that UK jumped a timezone and at the same time pushed the rest of the world with it and UK is now actually CET and what used to be CET is now actually finland time??

Its a conspiracy i tell ya and i bet its bush thats behind all of it!!!

Can I just say that this post made my day... a heated debate about what time it will be next week, and what that time should be called, wasnt exactly what I expected when I clicked the 'FH' link on my favorites today

also, is UKer pronounced "you-kay-err" or "ukk-err". because I dont want to be an "ukkerr"

I laughed so rep to you!