Enjoyble fights last night, hibbies :)

[Cromcruaich]

actually dont think we camped the tower as such last night, we went in wen it was in flames and wiped the hibs there a couple of times. CM did have a few fights, but mostly in water and we always loose water fights (even more then land fights hehe). we usually run a dont add policy, but we got to let u all have ur CM whine as we havent taken a relic or keep in a few days!
cya all tonight, make it slightly more spead out and less zergy and you will prob c us roaming a bit

and there are plenty of other grps tht add on fights, unless u lot just add on CM cause u dont like us

Yup, unfortunately CM are taking a lot of flak recently, at the heart of it there is some justification though.

All it takes to change that is to get stuck into some 8v8 fights (that includes telling any speed leechers with you to fo), and to come out openly and say, look, we want to have a crack at this 8v8 scene, and will respect like minded groups. Many people have criticised the ability of CM, well its to be expected when your focus hasnt been the fg scene. Answer your critics by giving it your best shot. I personally find the 8v8 fights the most rewarding of all DAOC play, I hope CM will to.

Also it seem to me that all posters in this thread do want clean 8v8 fights, so lets try and be constructive, there were fights added on lastnight, but lets scrub that and start from afresh and stop knocking people.

I expect KF and CM both want to enjoy clean 8v8 fights as much as the rest of us do (in the appropriate areas, we dont expect no adding on a relic raid for example), so lets have a couple of weeks of the assumption being any old grudges are forgotten and people are judged afresh on their actions from now on.

Also, its a great time to get 8 man groups going now that a lot of the 'leet' groups are on vacation, it's a time to make up some rps and get some experience without being relentlessly farmed.

 

[Cromcruaich]

i guess you tend to be a little busy when already in a fight and you constantly adding on our group? yeah i guess that could be it, i dont know...

Peace.

KF and Krabens group are gonna talk themselves into a mutual vendetta which can do nothing but harm. Lets all have a fresh start from now on.

 

[Cromcruaich]

if its that high rr red wearing alb group, they are teh sux no wonder why they need to add to get rps ~~

Think theyve been away from fg fights for a while. They did get to be pretty good precluster (going back a bit) and NFD had some cracking fights against them, they also respected other fg fights for a long time, but perhaps post cluster they became disillusioned, or new blood joined?

 

[Nate]

lol kraben, hated your grp's sos, was winning mezz etc till your skald used his ability, so had to sos aswell Was like 2 sos's on every incoming

muhahaha not playing skald in a while, difficult to get used to everything but sos'ing is fun

 

[Mckennitt]

I think crom had a tank group, and the 2nd hib one was us from td. Indeed nice fights although the adding there was supreme.. I guess they've been in the uni of pro adding instructed by albs.

Mck

 

[RandomDotCom]

actually dont think we camped the tower as such last night, we went in wen it was in flames and wiped the hibs there a couple of times. CM did have a few fights, but mostly in water and we always loose water fights (even more then land fights hehe). we usually run a dont add policy, but we got to let u all have ur CM whine as we havent taken a relic or keep in a few days!
cya all tonight, make it slightly more spead out and less zergy and you will prob c us roaming a bit

and there are plenty of other grps tht add on fights, unless u lot just add on CM cause u dont like us

try and do a prime time rr and that would be mucho fun. things can improve for you guys if you avoid the 5am relic scenario and get stuck in with the real rvr. i'd love to fight you guys fair sometime

/peace wert

 

[Kraben]

Agree with most being said. Adds do happen and tbh I dont think alot of groups adds on purpose (well maybe a few..) but sometimes the adding are just hard to avoid on sudden headon collisions or areas where its hard to get an overview of whats going on.

Often I prefer attacking and then ask questions after or appoligize if so is needed. In the process of deciding wether to add or not you get quite valunerble and ive seen alot times before in the groups i've run in: "We attacking or what??", "Stay back!", "Fork, we're mezzed" and we fight anyways with our group starting on weak ground with being mezzed.

Once you've comitted yourself to a fight and layed of some nukes and possible killed some when realizing this was a bad idea then imo its too late to draw back anyways. The fight going on has scewed regardless at this point. Simply try and do better next time when incoming and telll groupmates that this was a bad idea and lets try not to add next time.

Oh and Bluesky arf the preasure now

 

[Belomar]

Yesterday was fun. Pure tankgroup (well, except for the ubiquitous BD) and lots of fun times as opposed to the usual zerg fights. Chewed up and spit out the troublesome adders when we finally got a clean fight against them, that was the highlight of the evening.

That, or having Crom and his dog after me wielding a big sword!

 

[Cromcruaich]

I think crom had a tank group, and the 2nd hib one was us from td. Indeed nice fights although the adding there was supreme.. I guess they've been in the uni of pro adding instructed by albs.

Mck

Yes we run a tank group, any hibbie who has grouped with us knows our first rule is that we're a no adding group, we exist for 8v8 fights, its what we play for.

Now you can continue to shit stir and muck spread or get with the spirit of the posts here. I think we can all agree noone was whiter than white out there, but when it comes down to it, we might be in different realms, but we play this game together and together we can keep this server going, and for those of a like mind get some cracking 8v8 action going. We'll only do that with a bit of maturity and the realisation that we are all in this together as players of DAOC, not as members of Albion, Midguard or Hibernia.

You want clean fights? Be positive and buy into it.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Agree with most being said. Adds do happen and tbh I dont think alot of groups adds on purpose (well maybe a few..) but sometimes the adding are just hard to avoid on sudden headon collisions or areas where its hard to get an overview of whats going on.

Often I prefer attacking and then ask questions after or appoligize if so is needed. In the process of deciding wether to add or not you get quite valunerble and ive seen alot times before in the groups i've run in: "We attacking or what??", "Stay back!", "Fork, we're mezzed" and we fight anyways with our group starting on weak ground with being mezzed.

Once you've comitted yourself to a fight and layed of some nukes and possible killed some when realizing this was a bad idea then imo its too late to draw back anyways. The fight going on has scewed regardless at this point. Simply try and do better next time when incoming and telll groupmates that this was a bad idea and lets try not to add next time.

Oh and Bluesky arf the preasure now

Yea can be difficult. With a sharp eye you can almost always tell at clip range if a fight is happening, in that instance its usually best if the driver assumes a fg fight and gives the whole thing a very wide berth. If you are around the 1500 unit range then you are a threat and do risk getting attacked, especially during these twitchy times where adding is the expectation. We need to get back to the days when adding wasnt expected.

I was considering making an fg agramon thread, but I think its early days for that and still isnt the critical mass of fg's to make that viable.

 

[swords]

Think theyve been away from fg fights for a while. They did get to be pretty good precluster (going back a bit) and NFD had some cracking fights against them, they also respected other fg fights for a long time, but perhaps post cluster they became disillusioned, or new blood joined?

Bit of both mate, had alot of dropouts, class changes and people away during the summer which makes it hard to keep a group running. The whole Am relic take iRvR siege crap thats been flung our way these past few weeks isn't helping matters. Lack of Fg's has been a pain also as you well know, especially when you have new players, with new classes getting used to a new bunch of people.

If people want FG fights, why don't they run somewhere which isn't near:
1. Oriens bridge/dropoff
2. Beno docks/villa
3. Ramp up to beno T3
4. Keeps/towers (this is the realm of Arthur points /hug Bradlex)

The way i see it, these places are great for rp farming...so it isn't shocking to see why these places are filled with FG's.

It sucks to run out and constantly see Fg's that you could have a Fg fight with, clearing out wave after wave of pugs and such around the common Beno areas. Even if you meet a FG near there without an adding situation, 9/10 times you will get alb adds coming from the bridge, when everyone and his dog sees the crossed swords on warmap.

We have to move through there to go through Hadrians and to get to the Pennines down the coastal areas so we have to pass through these areas, you lot dont have to though to find Fg fights.

More than happy to respect Fg fights, just use some common sense and roam areas where you're not guarenteed stealther adds and such, bridge fighting with noobs makes you fair game imo, thats not FG fighting.

Dont mind people saying we suck, because its a new bunch of people around a core of 3 old TT players, of course we suck, we're out of practice and its realy been quite shit lately on the FG scene.

Some adding we've done was a mistake, without the group co-ordination to get everyone to pull off. Other times its just been frustration at not finding any FGs who weren't fighting the Beno zergs.

Just lay off the bridge humping and there is a greater chance of meeting us in open field and a greater chance that its blindly obvious a Fg v Fg only fight is going on and not just some rp farming of lowbies.

PS. We run Mondays/Tuesdays so anything happening yesterday wasn't us. But its the same situation which Crom has highlighted very well causing this so i'd agree a fresh start is needed, with some common sense at where to roam. (remember iRvR in Hib? zergs were always at bridges but the Fg's moved to the graveyard area and fought around there a month and a bit ago, it was very good with not much adding (there is always some) and enough FG's that everyone got a fight.

 

[Lohr]

Was indeed lots of addind going on. Btw, who is that mid group in total blue?

Would like to know that too . I demand rematch ^^, our grp got add'd by 2 other mid grps 15 secs after our fight startet.

 

[Congax]

Would like to know that too . I demand rematch ^^, our grp got add'd by 2 other mid grps 15 secs after our fight startet.

Nero Incubus group I think.

 

[swords]

Nero Incubus group I think.

They're the ones running a caster based setup from what i remember. Blue kobbies are cute

 

[Deadweight89]

They're the ones running a caster based setup from what i remember. Blue kobbies are cute

blue kobbies that are kept in line with banelord dumping are even cuter

 

[Congax]

They're the ones running a caster based setup from what i remember. Blue kobbies are cute

My runie is a blue kobbie aswell!

 

[Coldbeard]

Was ok, just annoying with Golden Addage running around spoling some fights.

 

[swords]

blue kobbies that are kept in line with banelord dumping are even cuter

We only had one BL tank when we fought then but we did have two theurgists

 

[Graendel]

We had a decent night - started out really bad but then we tried some new stuff and logged with a smirk on our faces. (Actually, I was smirking when Littles started hitting on Douglas)

We're not fully sorted yet but Arctic Circles will soon do what we can to make people's lives miserable once again.

 

[Sollers]

Think theyve been away from fg fights for a while. They did get to be pretty good precluster (going back a bit) and NFD had some cracking fights against them, they also respected other fg fights for a long time, but perhaps post cluster they became disillusioned, or new blood joined?

Nope, even though we're remaking TT we still respect the fg fights. Though, the immense zerging Irvr brought about made us change policy in such a way that we atm also engage fights in order to make it a 3-way. As far as some noobs who called us adders recently considers, they can kindly fuck off since they are too chicken shit to get away from the bridge areas and their easy RPs. Since I'm driving our GGs atm and I decide when or when not to engage, they can expect to be ganked when farming the masses in these areas. It's so simple really.

Anyone who genuinly thinks we need to add in order to get RPs, like the RR3 BM who apparently knows it all, only needs to drop me a PM on irc and we'll arrange a FG fight well away from possible adds. Though I strongly doubt I will ever get such a pm

 

[swords]

So it was Sollers all along! This mystery is solved. Now for the case of the missing cheese... *puts on thinking cap*

 

[Sharkith]

Cool nice constructive thread - keep it going. My first night back is Friday after a week and a half away I hope we can have some nice FG fights. It might be too soon for Agramon as Crom says but hopefully we can work more than clipping range from Bridges and the like - well South of Hadrians seems to be best at the moment.

Keep the good attitude going!

 

[Vodkafairy]

Keep the good attitude going!

nooo, let's not all turn into carebears. sharkith you fucking adding ****!



aaa, much better. but seriously, nice there are some groups out still - if daoc doesn't completely die out before the summer is over it might pick up when the weather becomes shit

 

[swords]

nooo, let's not all turn into carebears. sharkith you fucking adding ****!



aaa, much better. but seriously, nice there are some groups out still - if daoc doesn't completely die out before the summer is over it might pick up when the weather becomes shit

:worthy:
I'm hoping that because the weather has been so hot that what people are citing as DOOM is just an unusually slow summer

 

[fevnacca]

were you guys the ones with that red dwarf healer?

does this mean i gotta get my shit dyed ? ;E


so, evita, you say you had 2 fg vs fg fights the whole night. and you beat me straight up two times.

what were you doing the rest of the evening then? zerging? adding?


other then the occasional adds, we had a good evning with some good fights vs both hibs and albs.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

does this mean i gotta get my shit dyed ? ;E


so, evita, you say you had 2 fg vs fg fights the whole night. and you beat me straight up two times.

what were you doing the rest of the evening then? zerging? adding?


other then the occasional adds, we had a good evning with some good fights vs both hibs and albs.

Actually, getting zerged was what we spent most of our night doing - running from 2fg mids that were on /stick or dying to them. Not the most fun night i've had recently.

How about we all approach this maturely, not as an epenis contest as Crom was saying - theres precious little left in the fg-fg community lets not start rivalrys other than health competitive ones.

 

[Bleeker]

i like what im reading i hope we could keep it going since fg fights are the most fun to do (especially when we win )


and Evita, if it was as you said ill apologize calling you an adder/zerger in my first post but...a tip: check names on ppl adding on you and pay them back the favor

 

[pjuppe]

Yea can be difficult. With a sharp eye you can almost always tell at clip range if a fight is happening, in that instance its usually best if the driver assumes a fg fight and gives the whole thing a very wide berth. If you are around the 1500 unit range then you are a threat and do risk getting attacked, especially during these twitchy times where adding is the expectation. We need to get back to the days when adding wasnt expected.

I was considering making an fg agramon thread, but I think its early days for that and still isnt the critical mass of fg's to make that viable.

needless to say there's alot of zergfights going on in iRvR and i think that's where alot of the adding happens. from a distance it can be difficult to determine if it's a ''clean'' fight or a zergfight (which imo can be jolly good fun, don't want to miss out on those) and you might get to close. ofc this can be fixed by turning around and moving the other way but sometimes curiosity takes over and that's when adding happens.

personaly i think iRvR is great if you're in a fg. what i enjoy the most in DAoC is to kill things with a FG, be it solo:ers (well, not really fun but it happens), other fgs (the most fun but get's tedious with just fg-fight after fg-fight after fg-fight after....) and zergs. the diversion that iRvR brings i great. i might be totaly wrong but aren't there places where you will find the zerg and other places you are more likely to find a fullgroup (other side of the river, the southern ruins and plains) and it's easier not to add?

Strange that after we only managed to get 2 fg-fg fights even though we were (mostly) away from the zerg areas, and got steamrolled by 2fg mids on stick or hibs adding etc etc that my attitude had descended by about to 2130"if it moves it dies".

Instant RvR is good for fast realm points, shit for group-group fights. Got to the point with insta-adds from behind every single fight where Kairamar was asking in vent if anyone was x-realming - thats how bad it was.

and might i add that it's no wonder you get added on with this attitude. don't take 2 fg's actions out on an entire realm. you might not think so but there are unadding mids, as well as there are unadding hibs and albs as well. give groups the benefit of the doubt first and if they screw you over, add back or just ignore it (my prefered action). do not retaliate on the entire realm, taking no regard on what group you add on. there are also places where ''accidents'' are more prone to happen and places where the someone engaging you is more obviously just out to add on you. please take that into the equation as well.

and as for the last statement, i haven't RvR:ed in a ''stable'' iRvR situation for a while (just last friday and saturday, but those where more designated zerg nights (in which i had some quite enjoyable fg fights) so i can't comment on the adding going on today but last time i was in iRvR there was plenty of FG-fights to be had. so iRvR is not only for rp-farming. it can include fg-fights as well and to me it's about as fun as this game gets. only thing i could as for is abit more ''roleplay'' keep sieges

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

i like what im reading i hope we could keep it going since fg fights are the most fun to do (especially when we win )


and Evita, if it was as you said ill apologize calling you an adder/zerger in my first post but...a tip: check names on ppl adding on you and pay them back the favor

Fair point. I do add sometimes, depends who's involved really. And of course we all reach that point where your patience just goes with an audible "snap occasionally...

Don't get me wrong - fg-fg isn't fun every night - occasionally its nice just to sit back and zerg-farm/surf. Personally speaking, since minstrels are pretty poor in solo these days, and we don't have much to do in a zerg-farm/surf or tower camp, its group-group i enjoy the most - although im willing to listen to the opinions of the other 7 people stuck to me

Suppose in a nutshell trying to say im not a dedicated 8v8'er, but i enjoy it the most overall.

 

[pip]

Minstrels have had there days about time they are gimped imo

ps now ffs give skalds love