Enchanter, class of the n00b?

[old.Charonel]

inuyasha i'd just like to correct your listing of eldritch spells (can't be bothered to check menta one's, uselss little class that they are (j/k) , but the general gist of your post was spot on anyway, but here we are:

Eldritch spells

Light:

-Very powerfull spec DD
-Nearsight (see the archer nerf here )
-AOE mezz
-Insta dex/qui debuff (ooh look, another archer nerf, on the same line too )

Mana:

-Snare DD (same damage as baseline, but as all mana spells, on energy damage. comes with a 40% movement reduction)
-PBAOE
-Insta AOE Str/Con debuff (a GOOD one)
-Ranged AOE disease (with 400! radius, making it one of the largest radius aoe spells in the game???)
-Ranged AOE DD with attack speed debuff

Void:

-Two bolts, one baseline, one spec line.
-Baseline cold damage DD (does crap damage at a slow cast time, probably the worst eldritch DD available)
-Ranged AOE DD
-GTAOE DD


now here's the fun bit, since you can spec a secondary line, then if you take void or mana max you can use light for secondary, giving you everything in mana or void, AND: aoe mezz, nearsight and insta dex/qui debuff, all to sufficient levels to be as usefull as you'll ever need them.

 

[Tranquil-]

Ok, inuyasha/point. Im not complaining about anything else than the no LOS pet, fix it so it can't nuke through walls and you'll see me happy.

About having nothing else to offer than the pet, that's to drag it a bit far. It's the chain nuking pet COMBINED with the other abilities you have that's good. The only thing that should and probably will get nerfed is the no los pet. Imagine being inside a keep and still be chainnuked by it, you have to run all the way out to kill it(you still need LOS to kill it) while it is nuking all the time. Stick your head out to kill it and people can still nuke/nearsight/cc whatever. That is the only thing I'm complaining about.

 

[Danya]

Charm a pet and nuke them back.

 

[old.Leel]

Mana chanters get HEAT debuff, and they can sub spec in light for better damage with their baseline HEAT dd. How overpowered is that? The insane pets and pbaoe come in addition to that. And of course they get stun and run buff too. Chanters need a swift hit by the nerf bat.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
still think chanters need 1.5 spec points

And i still have to counter with that a mentalist could get the 48 dot and the 45 dd and still have spare points for mentalism.. ;p

Or how about an enchanter having a 50% heat debuff AND the 210 spec DD?

At least be logical, ask for 1.1 or smth

 

[Jiggs]

problem with enchanters is they are so easy to play and so effective at what they are good at.

 

[Hit ^_^]

must say there aint no other class i hate more then enchanters.
but now when i have seen how effective their pets are (even from grey con's) i wont play whit em anymore.

 

[Eleasias]

Enchanter is the best caster at the moment, no denying, definately needs some finetuning ... pet LoS issue #1, heat debuff should be in a different line, it's ridiculous they can spec 48 mana rest light and get a kickass DD with the debuff. (dont tell me its not kickass, Dorath frags tanks with it so easy) PBAoE would be ok IF they wouldnt get the debuff in same line.. mana spec = good dd, best damage, add the pet and you got one kickass caster :/

In conclusion... N E R F C H A N T E R S

 

[Sharp Thing]

yes, pet LOS needs nerfing, even i find it obsolote. but if you insist in moving our heat debuff then give us a ranged DD that doesnt make us go oop after 5of them and do descent dmg. low light and casting a stun+debuff+8or so DD's and i can pretty much use mcl if i dont wanna sit for 2mins to get back full power.

about the defining abilities, minstrel doesnt get baseline instruments, but they can autotrain it, if any caster would be able to autotrain i think most would take it anyday, but thats what sets casters from melee's.

soon resists are going to go through the roof and the only defence casters will still have is either a good debuff or a dmg type that noone has high, since the last cant be done (sc+buffs) the debuffs own the game, i chose to have both pb and a debuff, i specced to make full use of it, want me to have a 3d nerfed char? uke:

 

[old.Charonel]

NERF ARCHERS FFS! OMG!!!1111!111!

i mean, woah! they get to like, SHOOT people or something?!! omg!

 

[old.NorME]

hahah you cant put pet in spec line, the pet alone is not that good.

If u have a group ok, u do pbaoe. But if u try to solo with ur lvl 1 Friend LOL , ur dead


A chanter cant kill a mob without it's pet. But fix the problem with the pet

 

[fishy-fish]

ok first of all cabalists can debuff their baseline nuke, so can RMs

and baseline class defining ability how about plate?
I think all class defining abilitys should demand specs to get handed out make it so armsmen spec to wear plate

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
but if you insist in moving our heat debuff then give us a ranged DD that doesnt make us go oop after 5of them and do descent dmg.

Wow, guess what? That's what the *light* spec is for. It's ridiculous you get a kickass DD + PBAE in same line...

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Eleasias
Wow, guess what? That's what the *light* spec is for. It's ridiculous you get a kickass DD + PBAE in same line...

eldritch has this

and we dont have a DD and a pb in the same line, tis a debuff and eats mana too +nukes that arent the best of the best in another line, we ened to spec that halfway too to get descent dmg out of it, debuff just helps it reach that dmg

and light spec is crap tbh, only good thing is the DD, give us somthing good in it besides the DD, then i might consider speccing it

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing


and we dont have a DD and a pb in the same line, tis a debuff and eats mana too

That's what I meant, duh. Debuff + 24 spec light = Kickass damage output. + PBAOE.

 

[Sharp Thing]

ever came to mind we have to spec 2lines for this? as an eld only has to do one

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
ever came to mind we have to spec 2lines for this? as an eld only has to do one

Eld doesnt have a kickass DD ability in the same line as PBAE ..

 

[Exinferis]

Originally posted by fishy-fish
ok first of all cabalists can debuff their baseline nuke <snip>

When did we get this spell?

 

[vulcan1]

Originally posted by Eleasias
Eld doesnt have a kickass DD ability in the same line as PBAE ..

Light =DD ........Specc one line

Mana= PBAE.....Specc line two


Different lines different damage, twice as many specc points.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by fishy-fish
ok first of all cabalists can debuff their baseline nuke, so can RMs

Hmm, nope. Spirit cabalists get body/spirit/energy debuffs in the spirit spec line, not the body spec line (where the nukes are). Besides, there are not many spirit cabalists around.

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by Eleasias
Eld doesnt have a kickass DD ability in the same line as PBAE ..

DD+40% Snare ? 80% with a crit, does aproxx 450 dmg ?

I wouldnt call that shit tbh.

 

[hotrat]

ok first of all cabalists can debuff their baseline nuke

No cabalist is gonna go full spirit spex, half body just to get the resist debuffs. Why? Because caba doesnt get a PBAE in the same line as their debuff !!

Listen up mate....and plez listen closely.
That pet is the ONLY good reason to be a enchanter at all, our specs include this: Mana: Pbaoe and heat debuff. Light: DD and attack speed debuffs. Enchantment: Pet buffs.

Now...the same mages with the same non-spec effect as us have:

You can keep the pet, it just needs its LoS to be fixed. And tbh an ice spec wizard isn't much better than a chanter without a pet.

Now to hotrath or whatever the theurgs name was:

You are talking from the sight of view of a theurgist! A class with mess, area mess, area root, normal root, bubblechant, quite insane dds, CHAIN STUN PETS, shooting pets and melee pets. You have baseline damage add and runspeed buff, and you get a self only bubble at just 2 in earth spec. Alas, you crowd control, blasts, even more insane pets (at least on a duel base) and for god sake even a bubbleCHANT, makeing you a must in groups. You solo just as well, and are, unless mana specced, more then twice as popular in groups (unless purely air specced, which few are on this server) and should not have ANY reason to complain at all.

We only have area mezz, no single target mezz, if we spec for area mezz we don't get a good area root, if we want the best ae mezz we can only get 10 sec bubble, dd's are nice yes, pet stun is broken and needs fixing, but so do many other things about theurg pets, self bubble at 2 spec is hardly amazing, we all get it at 19. We can't get chain stun pets and shooting pets unlike chanter, our pets only last 20-30 sec.

My reason to complain is purely because chanter pets can nuke me at a keep defence through walls and with snare, ice pets can do this as well but they require a target to cast, and that target must be visible and they only last 25 secs.

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian



DD+40% Snare ? 80% with a crit, does aproxx 450 dmg ?

I wouldnt call that shit tbh.

is the snare effected by crits in rvr? because it certainly isnt in pve, just damage, snare remains 40% allways regardless of crit or no crit, havent used it enough in a calm enough rvr situation to check the crit effects there though...

 

[old.Charonel]

and yes, i think the chanter pet LOS issue needs to be fixed too, but the pet itself is just fine, chanters are very very very one sided as a class compared to the other two mages.

trying to nerf them is like a car seeing a train speed past and saying "OMFG!! FFS NERF THAT SPEEEEEED!!!", yet not realising that to enable itself to do that, to go so much faster than the car, what with traffic and all, the train is limited to the track, while slower, the car can go anywhere.

ie, chanters hit hard, they're supposed too, but dont nerf that, because that's pretty much ALL they can do, and therefore should be able to do it better than others.

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
and yes, i think the chanter pet LOS issue needs to be fixed too, but the pet itself is just fine, chanters are very very very one sided as a class compared to the other two mages.

trying to nerf them is like a car seeing a train speed past and saying "OMFG!! FFS NERF THAT SPEEEEEED!!!", yet not realising that to enable itself to do that, to go so much faster than the car, what with traffic and all, the train is limited to the track, while slower, the car can go anywhere.

ie, chanters hit hard, they're supposed too, but dont nerf that, because that's pretty much ALL they can do, and therefore should be able to do it better than others.

good point, we have no mez, no disease, no debuffs (unless for specced attack spd sucky ones), etc

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing


, no debuffs (unless for specced attack spd sucky ones), etc

Except the one that enables you to have 2 speclines in 1.

 

[Sharp Thing]

i ment str/con/dex debuffs, not resist debuffs, and the resist debuffs belong to the dmg

 

[Bilf]

Originally posted by old.Charonel

Trying to nerf them is like a car seeing a train speed past and saying "OMFG!! FFS NERF THAT SPEEEEEED!!!", yet not realising that to enable itself to do that, to go so much faster than the car, what with traffic and all, the train is limited to the track, while slower, the car can go anywhere.

Wow, that's deep....

 

[Exiled]

someone got owned

 

[inuyasha]

Sure sure

I have no use for that no LOS piss of the pet anyways, i have tried it at several occations and the pet ALWAYS dies in the area damage looong before whatever i send it on dies when trying to attack a keep, and its worthless defending it.

As a matter of fact, i cannot see why you are so much bothered with that stupid pet in the keep raids, the area-dots that one-hit kills you i find sorta more bothering, lol.

As long as my pet can shoot through trees, if not it would be just silly if rangers just hide behind them and shoot and sneaky tactics like that =) Never underestimate the power of sneaky sneaky =)

Theurgs are uber, no matter what spec air and you get a good area mess, good blast and a broken pet with a broken stun =) f00k bubbles, its mess that win fights =).