Emain RvR 26/04/04

[Krissy]

Albs no longer have a counterpart for the Fotm RvR guilds out there, PE seem less than active over the board and thats the only main RVR (decent) guild in alb tbh.

After leaving APK and heading amg a normal random group or 3 will be jumped by a fotm mid group (or hib in extreem situations) and pbae'd/assist trained to death.

Random albs (80-90% of albion) arnt in proper templates, dont have all the ToA items and arnt exactly "skillful" with there classes hence there RR's.

Sticking to APK seems to me the safest way for the standard albs to get some rp's without actualy dieing to a fotm group everytime they pass amg.

Recently up to 5fg's of mids have been betwen apk and amg often camping amg with 2fg;s at a time which really isnt what ppl want to see when they port to emain and get ready to move out in there semi "ok" groups.

I myself go out in a small group often and farm anything that comes till I die, I dont have a problem with dieing never have, as a caster with "Avalonian Phoenix Knight" above my head im kinda a huge target as well as my chars hight makes me an easy pick.

If you want RvR and arnt happy with albions current lack of fotm RvR groups/guilds you should try adapting. Take a keep or 2, scare hibs in to thinking your relic raiding, Dont run fotm groups when there arnt any albs to kill and already many fotm groups in the zone your porting to.

If u read this you'd understand y the standard wont leave apk more than 1 or 2 times before deciding to camp and settle for 1k for an hours work.

Yes its frustrating for the mids, nothing to kill often is, but nothing can be done about it, if ppl cant see y this has happened then they have no right to be out of primary education.

 

[Profion]

If there is a mid/hib zerg at apk well get down and kill them and then move out in one FG.

And if now albs are so unskilled as Krissy says (I dont think albs are unskilled) its time for you to get out and get some exp in fg vs fg fights. No fun to camp a fukking pk to get some rvr action. cya out there

 

[Sycho]

Albs no longer have a counterpart for the Fotm RvR guilds out there, PE seem less than active over the board and thats the only main RVR (decent) guild in alb tbh.

Now it is yeah.

But before ToA(i know we did very well when we had the old FL players out often, we got new ones at the moment which i will hopefully run out if i ever finish with ToA and see how it goes, if it's bad due to ML's then it could be the final straw for me) we gave many hibs/mids good fight, ok we lost vs maelstrom/bo/eclipse/NP/everlast sometimes but we sure as hell gave them good fights sometimes and even won some, although they seemed to beat us more times than we did them, we sure as hell gave other mids/hibs good battles too.

Albion certainly doesn't have the rvr guilds at the moment, unless myself and others in my guild can turn things about and PE can get their best group out again then there probably will not be such a huge amount of mids out, but now ToA has made alb kind of hard believe it or not.(melee tanks have it hard now which alb mainly consisted of but didn't understand caster groups so well so didn't use them often.)

I can see mids dominating this server for ages now anyway...unless of course my alliance gets going again.

 

[Appendix]

(melee tanks have it hard now which alb mainly consisted of but didn't understand caster groups so well so didn't use them often.)

Mid tanks have it hard now too. We had to get back to the drawing board and come up with a new group setup for ToA(and NF) as well. I believe in building a balanced group consisting of both meleers and casters for maximum versatility. To me the old fotm Alb-setup still looks good, it has access to all important master abilities and decent nukage output:
Cleric, (Perfecter)
Cleric, (Warlord)
Paladin, (Battlemaster)
Minstrel, (Sojourner)
Sorceror, (Convoker)
Theurgist, (Stormlord)
Mercenary/Reaver, (Banelord)
Mercenary/Armsman/Friar, (Battlemaster), or even a debuff cabby or ice wizzy if you want more nuking power. Albs have as many options as mids or hibs when building groups now and with bodyguard casters are essential to all rvr-groups.

I can see mids dominating this server for ages now anyway...unless of course my alliance gets going again.

Dominate what? Unless you get your skinny alb butts out more often there wont be anything for us to dominate ;p

 

[Xxcalibur]

sycho i hope u come back to rvr , really there is no decents grps atm rvring , perhaps only septinas grp.

 

[dimerian]

Septina + decent in same sentence...


:wub:

 

[Fadeh]

Dominate what? Unless you get your skinny alb butts out more often there wont be anything for us to dominate ;p

Dominate albs who cant defend themselves. Impressive it will be.

 

[Sycho]

Mid tanks have it hard now too.

Depends with what you play with.

Main reason why daoc has been fucked in rvr was the 25% cast speed with the ML's, i met a cabalist last night who casted whilst running :/ it was that fast and no that's not a joke :E

Let's see how patch is anyway.

 

[Krissy]

Tanks are hardly shafted lol, x3 healers = x3 interupt bots standing there, not all 3 need to heal at anyone time. x2-3 savages /assist training kinda wins handsdown, saw a 3man assist train walkover loads of albs yestoday without fear of casters due to x3 healers healing/interupting.

New HP cap kinda made it to hard to nuke tanks with cap hits+toa bonus+buffs+resist buffs to death easily without a good debuffer (which alb just dont use atm outside of a very small minority).

 

[Fadeh]

If yuo think mids are hard now. Just wait for buff shear and little later on bof and sos on mids...

 

[Path]

sycho i hope u come back to rvr , really there is no decents grps atm rvring , perhaps only septinas grp.

Hoho, den dagen Norrland står för klass, då går det utför

 

[Pudzy]

if mindless zerging is what you like i sugest you have a look at excal

OMG LOL M8 SAYS THE GUY WHO RUNS WITH 7 MORE PPL LOL ZERGER! YOUR RUINING THE SERVER!

 

[Dr.Frau]

i really like the mid zerg pics

nice mid zerg pics=)
this is a screenshot taken 2days ago around 22-23:00cet in emain
to bad i dint get the 3fg:s or more albs that was behind me and prolly more att amg.

 

[nuky]

how do albs have it so bad with interupts?

theurg for aoe interupt (aoe root) and those rediculous pets?
any decent mincer should have no problem keeping atleast 2 support / casters interupted?
sorc, well u seen septina in the PE vid?
clerics for single interupts with smite?

spam 3 earth pets on shaman at the start of a fight and then same on healers and basically there aint much they can do without MoC?

obviously i dont have much experience playing alb but this is how i see it. please do correct me if i am wrong (do tell me why ia m wrong though, just a ' u r wrong' aint much of an arguement)

 

[Pudzy]

how do albs have it so bad with interupts?

theurg for aoe interupt (aoe root) and those rediculous pets?
any decent mincer should have no problem keeping atleast 2 support / casters interupted?
sorc, well u seen septina in the PE vid?
clerics for single interupts with smite?

spam 3 earth pets on shaman at the start of a fight and then same on healers and basically there aint much they can do without MoC?

obviously i dont have much experience playing alb but this is how i see it. please do correct me if i am wrong (do tell me why ia m wrong though, just a ' u r wrong' aint much of an arguement)

There ;o

 

[nuky]

There ;o

you should be on your countries debate team mate, such skills

 

[Fadeh]

how do albs have it so bad with interupts?

theurg for aoe interupt (aoe root) and those rediculous pets?
any decent mincer should have no problem keeping atleast 2 support / casters interupted?
sorc, well u seen septina in the PE vid?
clerics for single interupts with smite?

spam 3 earth pets on shaman at the start of a fight and then same on healers and basically there aint much they can do without MoC?

obviously i dont have much experience playing alb but this is how i see it. please do correct me if i am wrong (do tell me why ia m wrong though, just a ' u r wrong' aint much of an arguement)

Theurgs are great for interupting in a tank groups thats right.
Take a minstrel in group just cuz he can interupt 1 or 2 people isnt good enough imo.
Sorcs are interupters, thats right. But now they also need to do dmg. As albion tanks are useless.
Clerics who use single smite to interupt? Usual stuff is to interupt ae for it to be of any use.

Overall, alb can have it good on interupts. But its not the usual. And what does a few interupt help when we cant do dmg?

 

[Elendar]

Theurgs are great for interupting in a tank groups thats right.
Take a minstrel in group just cuz he can interupt 1 or 2 people isnt good enough imo.
Sorcs are interupters, thats right. But now they also need to do dmg. As albion tanks are useless.
Clerics who use single smite to interupt? Usual stuff is to interupt ae for it to be of any use.

Overall, alb can have it good on interupts. But its not the usual. And what does a few interupt help when we cant do dmg?

kill the bodyguard!

 

[Sycho]

Theurg is a wonderful class and one of the best casters in daoc, though any good group would kill you first and pretty fast.Albs can only have 2 damage dealers if they include one in group whereas mids can have haste off healers and then 4 savages if they wanted, although that wouldn't be too smart.

I am very surprised how many mids do not realise how good shamans are, disease is no doubt one of the best spells in daoc(use pbaoe disease on enemy support>>your tanks can kill them with ease unless they use group cure disease ML quickly whilst running) if not the best if you disclude pbaoe spells, maybe we can try a battlemaster merc/banelord merc and a cabalist with a pala who also has bodyguard, would lower our damage, but still a buffed caba pet is quite damn strong and caba assisting with a sorc can be nice aswell as disease.

So many things people haven't tried in daoc and done very well with them, i still haven't seen better support than 3 healers and 1 shaman though.Can't see why mythic didn't redjust the smite line...of course there is other classes in daoc that need fixing too, but it sucks that people who play euro servers do not get a say into how mythic should change things.

 

[Araudry]

lol Soulfly thats screen shot is "atleast" 18 months old. think things have changed a bit since then.. replace those mids.. with albs imho

say the zerging sb camping apk with fg sb/hunter and mid dont zerg ofc ;o
and mid still zerg like 18 months ago when i played last night it was just silly
even scout/infil was getting wiped since a mid zerg camp amg another camp apk and sb everywhere camping amg/apk once u find one he sprint to the neasrest fg mid (skills etc) only hibs arent zerging atm and if alb zerg thats just mid fault for camping amg/apk with like 5fg and i dont count stealthers uke:

 

[Appendix]

I am very surprised how many mids do not realise how good shamans are, disease is no doubt one of the best spells in daoc

Exactly why I think albs should consider building cabby debuff nuke groups. You get ae disease, body/spirit debuff, lifetap and a nasty pet. ToA brings many new tools to increase the survivability of casters in RvR so sticking to the old melee-assist formula is just stupid imo.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Nothing wrong with zerging as far as I'm concerned.

Most people play to have fun and don't have the time or inclination to spend 30mins or however long it takes getting the "perfect" group together, they just want to get on have a bit of a laugh and go. If they then find that they keep getting slaughtered 1on1 by people, who tbh, take the game far too seriously then big surprise that they even the odds by going out in ever larger numbers. Is RvR after all and not 8v8.

Same goes for stealthers, some player decides he wants to get himself a buffbot so that he can go "wow aren't I good" because he's able to carve through non-buffbotted players then not a surprise that A) Other people get themselves buffbots too, and/or B) They start teaming up for a bit of mutual protection.

Only people who have any vague right to moan about zergs is Hibbies as they have more trouble getting the numbers in. Everyone else usually has the option of running solo/1fg/Zerg, if you choose to run in 1fg and get zerged then thats your choice, why some people expect the casual player to be their cannon fodder, bend over and repeatedly take it up the bum.

 

[Profion]

Appen dont give them any ides

 

[Sycho]

Appen dont give them any ides

Already knew about it, just that spirit cabalists are so rare in alb so it's hard making those groups, anyway sticking with ice wiz xD

 

[Pudzy]

you should be on your countries debate team mate, such skills

As your obviousely thick as shit mate, and a cocky ****, I'll explain.

You've said you don't have much experience of RvR on alb, and you expressed your opinion, having played both realm's, and using my powers of thought, I decided, you was wrong ;o

Also our country, England, doesn't need a debate team, they agree with everyone :/

 

[nuky]

Theurgs are great for interupting in a tank groups thats right.
Take a minstrel in group just cuz he can interupt 1 or 2 people isnt good enough imo.
Sorcs are interupters, thats right. But now they also need to do dmg. As albion tanks are useless.
Clerics who use single smite to interupt? Usual stuff is to interupt ae for it to be of any use.

Overall, alb can have it good on interupts. But its not the usual. And what does a few interupt help when we cant do dmg?

u take a mincer for speed, of course - but what would u rather him do, join the assist train or keep 2+ support / casters interupted. the damage in no way compares to his interupt capabilities.
albs tanks are just as useless as tanks in any other realms surely? i am assuming u say this because of bodygaurd.
why not single interupt? i have seen in a lot of video's support being interupted by single target spells, the latest being the mael video. not saying they should be the main source of interupt (should be sorc/mincer/theurg) but that its just an extra bit of utility.

i also do realise u have played this game a lot more than me and probably have a much greater take on things that i do, just calling it as i see it

sycho: what makes u think mids aint realised how good shaman's are? any group i was ever in understood that i was a aoe root / disease bot

 

[Devlinn]

how do albs have it so bad with interupts?

theurg for aoe interupt (aoe root) and those rediculous pets?
any decent mincer should have no problem keeping atleast 2 support / casters interupted?
sorc, well u seen septina in the PE vid?
clerics for single interupts with smite?

spam 3 earth pets on shaman at the start of a fight and then same on healers and basically there aint much they can do without MoC?

obviously i dont have much experience playing alb but this is how i see it. please do correct me if i am wrong (do tell me why ia m wrong though, just a ' u r wrong' aint much of an arguement)

I'd like to see you interrupt insta casts... or 3 melee classes when you're wearing cloth

hahaha spam 3 earth pets.. :worthy: specially when they die in 1-2 hits...
it's kinda hard.. (not a whine btw just a statement) when your main interrupter is:
1. wearing cloth
2. the first target
3. has to mez first (if not interrupted by insta cc) then has to debuff/ do dmg...

 

[Araudry]

Exactly why I think albs should consider building cabby debuff nuke groups. You get ae disease, body/spirit debuff, lifetap and a nasty pet. ToA brings many new tools to increase the survivability of casters in RvR so sticking to the old melee-assist formula is just stupid imo.

caba ill never be as good as shaman pbaoe disease then aoe root and they cant move
ur caba in (cloth) dont have aoe root just got body debuffs and lifetap is just baseline spell? and ur aoe disease u have to cast it
so u ill never get same tactic as mid
if u want to get aoe root + aoe disease u ill need a ice theurg no many around and spirit caba same dont think u ill find many around

 

[Appendix]

Already knew about it, just that spirit cabalists are so rare in alb so it's hard making those groups, anyway sticking with ice wiz xD

I thought all albs had a matter-cabby logged in Excalibur ;p
Surely there must be someone willing to respec if he was offered a spot in an rvr-group?

 

[Devlinn]

hey hey! i'm an ice theurg!!!! why dont' you ever invite me to groups?
aside from the fact that i'm ML0 and low RR with no toa items... i used to be good bah