Question Elton John become a parent

[Lamp]

Elton John becomes a father to surrogate baby, but he's going on tour | Mail Online

 

[Sparx]

my gf has 2 gay dads and it hasnt caused her any problems as she got older. One of her dads is her biological dad, he came out when she was 9.

so i dont think its that much of a problem so long as the parents be it whatever sex, race, sexuality love and care for the child properly

 

[russell]

My worry is that a child raised by a same sex couple is going to have to grow up facing some of the same stigmas and criticisms that are leveled at his/her parents and I don't think its fair for any child to have to deal with that. It's not right, but the fact is that child is going to be teased in the school yard when two daddies or mommies turn up to bring them home. Other children's parents who are intolerant may encourage their child to "stay away" from the child as if homosexuality was some sort of contagious disease.
/essay off

Children are mean and all children will get 'teased' at some point, about.... flirty parents, gay parents, single parents, too fat, too spotty, too tall, too clever, wear glasses, too bossy, religion, too shy... all children have to deal with the shit hitting the fan with something to do with their families. More and more deal with gay parents -its now the same as 'single parents' was 30 years ago.

 

[liloe]

Is it really that philosophical? I don´t know. Selfishness is just one motivational factor that does not just apply to reproduction. The question about the decision of "creating life" is a different matter. Here, I agree that the decision about your own life should be respected. But we´re drifting off...

If I wasn't going to an education week very soon, I'd even start a new thread for that alone ^^ I'd love drifting off on that question

 

[russell]

I do not say that gays /lesbians should not be allowed to teach at all but rather that they should not be allowed to teach at a primary level. I would certainly not want my child - when I finally get married and have them - to be taught or exposed to people living openly gay lives.

The child is too young to understand these things and I would never want /allow my young children to be exposed as such. Once the child is old enough to start understanding such things I have no issues with gay /lesbian teachers. We had a most excellent lesbian history teacher in our sixth form college, no problems nor issues.

Now I am sure that someone will ask ok at what age is it acceptable to allow him or her to teach children. Honestly, I do not think that you can fix an age realistically speaking as some children develop a lot faster than others. I myself did not discover the world of girls and sex until very late, in comparison to all of my mates in school.

A teacher's private life is their PRIVATE life in a Primary school Tierk-largely due to the younger pupils having no concept of sexuality, and only caring about themselves as the centre of the universe.

What do you think we teach???!!! "Good Morning children. I am Mrs Hughes, I am hetrosexual and like it twice a day!" A teacher would never discuss their sexuality.

Good teachers are what we need, some of the most outstanding teachers I have met are gay and the children at primary age wouldnt even bat an eyelid about it (and frankly if they did, it just sets out a different lifestyle) I would far rather a good gay teacher than a bad teacher of any sexual persuasion.

Anyhoo -back on topic. You cant set a blanket rule for age and babies -each case is different. Who are we to judge without knowing the real individual circumstances?

Oh and Tierk -would it be more acceptable to you if your 'childs' teacher regularly used porn and visited prostitiutes?

 

[Jimmy]

tbh the person who brings the chiled up be them gay lesbiens stright single mum single dad what does it matter as long as the child is raised in a loveing and healthy enviroment.

 

[Ch3tan]

Tierk - I'm not getting into religion, I'm asking a question about why you feel that way, and if the culture you are living in has had an impact on that.

Religion is a big reason for inequality in society though, so it would be difficult to avoid in this discussion. Most of our modern "values" come directly from Christianity and Islam in the main.

You are all assuming a gay teacher is going to flaunt their sexuality at work - You are assuming that teacher is not going to be professional because they are gay? Teachers teach the curriculum, it doesn't matter what they are into as long as they do that.

Secondly; the vast majority of people feel it's wrong? Well no; the vast majority of countries under religious rule or influence think it's wrong. People are bought up believing that. The Greeks, Romans and civilisations before them were sexually liberated and did what they wanted. It's only the raise of modern religion that has created false values and morals on to how we behave.

People in a free world should be able to live how they choose as long as they do not harm others. Someone being openly gay does not hurt you in any way, them upsetting your sense of right and wrong is your hang up.


edit:// Jimmy, russell, spot on. Especially the openly gay teacher or a teacher that uses prossies point.

 

[cHodAX]

my gf has 2 gay dads and it hasnt caused her any problems as she got older. One of her dads is her biological dad, he came out when she was 9.

so i dont think its that much of a problem so long as the parents be it whatever sex, race, sexuality love and care for the child properly

I don't think it is ideal but I cannot argue with the fact that 2 gay man can raise a perfectly normal and emotionally stable child. In every way I think it is much more preferable than pensioners having kids which is hugely selfish act in my opinion.

 

[Cerb]

Children are mean and all children will get 'teased' at some point, about.... flirty parents, gay parents, single parents, too fat, too spotty, too tall, too clever, wear glasses, too bossy, religion, too shy... all children have to deal with the shit hitting the fan with something to do with their families. More and more deal with gay parents -its now the same as 'single parents' was 30 years ago.

I see your point and I agree that all kids get teased but I honestly believe that your mum is fat hahaha, is different from, your mum's are gay. Infact by most kids logic, that means the child is gay. I honestly feel a child raised in a same sex home is going to go up against alot more prejudice than even the child of a single mother 30 years ago. I also think you took my quote a little out of context in that you left out the part where I say it troubles me that I think this is the way things need to be. I pointed it out then and I'll point it out now that in saying most of this I go against one of my own core beliefs of acceptance for all. It's not fair but I think it would be best for the child.


As for the teacher thing I don't think sexuality makes a blind bit of difference.

 

[eksdee]

if it works for tom selleck, it works for me.

 

[Ezteq]

Just Read this article....

Elton John and David Furnish become parents - Telegraph

and it got me to wondering if gay couples adopting kids is considering as ok or not?

Just wondering what other peoples think about this and before we turn this into a flame fest lets try and keep it polite and non abusive please.

gay couples as parents, fine absolutely no problem whatsoever; tbh hetrosexual couples make such a fuck up of raising their offspring on a regular basis so they have no leg to stand on denying gays the chance to do it too.

Elton John, um I'd say he's possibly a bit old to be a parnet, I mean is it really fair on the child that his dad is an old git in bad hair and will probably not live to see him reach his 30s, but then again he's loaded so if he gives children a good home meh good on him.

I generally object to celebrities reproducing, or even worse adopting multicoloured children in some grotesque way of 'getting the whole set' but my parental units were not gay and were not celebrities and they made the most dreadful hash of the whole business. So, tbh go for it.

 

[Edmond]

You turned out ok dear

thh thats my feeling on it, he's a bit too old, but he has the resourses(sp) to cope. If it was an average joe, regardless of sexuality, i would say its not fair on the kid. But as russ said to me yesterday, every case has to be looked on independantly

 

[Olgaline]

With the kinda monney he's got, he can slap a diper on me any day and call me chnucums....
then again, would a diper change then be classifiable as sexual harassment?
You know, me being a bloke and him being gay and all ?


Challenging paradox indeed......

 

[cHodAX]

You turned out ok dear

thh thats my feeling on it, he's a bit too old, but he has the resourses(sp) to cope. If it was an average joe, regardless of sexuality, i would say its not fair on the kid. But as russ said to me yesterday, every case has to be looked on independantly

He is going on tour and leaving the work to nannys, the bloke is a cnut.

 

[megadave]

BOLLOCKS, there are fucking loads of good single parents out there who do an amazing job. In no way is having a stroppy miserable 63 year old preferable to to having a 25 year old single mum raising her own child.

I very nearly gave out a neg rep then, it is the most stupid thing you have ever said you silly Chelsea rentboy.

I didn't say they don't do a good job and I have no problem with single parents. I just think parenting will almost always be easier with two parents.

 

[cHodAX]

I didn't say they don't do a good job and I have no problem with single parents. I just think parenting will almost always be easier with two parents.

Not with a pair of dirty southern faggots like you and Aoami it won't!

 

[russell]

He is going on tour and leaving the work to nannys, the bloke is a cnut.

As they all do -if they are rich enough

 

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[Ormorof]

dont see the problem really, saying gays shouldnt be allowed to teach because they will "influence" the kids is absurd, might as well say no religious people should be allowed to either in case the "religion" rubs off on the before they have a chance to think about it for themselves.

and as Ez mentioned hetero couples arent exactly the model of excellent parents so why not?

 

[liloe]

The Greeks, Romans and civilisations before them were sexually liberated and did what they wanted. It's only the raise of modern religion that has created false values and morals on to how we behave.

The Greeks were into little boys, though. Hurray for sexual liberation xD

 

[cHodAX]

The Greeks were into little boys, though. Hurray for sexual liberation xD

Nothing wrong with a bit of buggery to keep things spicey.

 

[Huntingtons]

imo this action is a frivolous and selfish one.

as getting kids are.