(Durgi post cont..)Taking opted rvr to agramon, does it hurt the casual gamer?

Durgi

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Here's me think this is a RvR forum. Last time i checked RvR stood for Realm vs Realm.. not fg vs fg. Hmmm how odd, and to organise specific days and times to meet, wouldn't that be like arranging a duel over mirc, killing each other repeatedly etc.. oh RP farming.. sure there's something in that pesky thing called the CoC about that :)

D. :twak: :cheers: :m00:
 

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Durgi said:
Here's me think this is a RvR forum. Last time i checked RvR stood for Realm vs Realm.. not fg vs fg. Hmmm how odd, and to organise specific days and times to meet, wouldn't that be like arranging a duel over mirc, killing each other repeatedly etc.. oh RP farming.. sure there's something in that pesky thing called the CoC about that :)

D. :twak: :cheers: :m00:

You're just blowing an idea out of proportion and labelling it as cheating because you personally don't agree with it.

Saying you might be in an area 1 out of 7 days a week is not the same as repeatedly killing someone over and over again.....by your way of thinking, why not go the next step up; So much as talking to someonelse from another realm should get you permanently banned right?
 

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Chronictank said:
Ok seems the biggest factor of FG's not going agramon is not meeting anyone,
so i propose we set 2 days a week where there is a set time when people go there so you know you will have someone to fight.
So its poll time :x

I vote Sunday and Monday personally as thats when my guild grp is out

Day 2 Vote:
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showt...03#post2708603

I propose we all run in Agramon at 20:00 gmt (means people can have "warm up" runs in emain before hand) to battle it out :x

Durgi said:
Here's me think this is a RvR forum. Last time i checked RvR stood for Realm vs Realm.. not fg vs fg.
Hmmm how odd, and to organise specific days and times to meet, wouldn't that be like arranging a duel over mirc, killing each other repeatedly etc.. oh RP farming.. sure there's something in that pesky thing called the CoC about that :)

D. :twak: :cheers: :m00:
Completely Wrong

Before posting any more read this, it answers most your subsequent responces
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=187417
https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=187825&page=3
 

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Oh Oh someone took the bait!

Now for the record chronic I don't dislike opted organised fg's. On US server's I'm part of a Guild group on a regular week night. Now what I do oppose is the european attitude to your opted eliteness. Screaming at PuG's for adding. Demanding people get lost, I've seen no end of utter arrogance and poor behavour from 8v8 specialists towards your casual player.

And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle. Though this may in turn be of a small assitance, 95% of the time its pure self interest. I enjoy leading RvR bg's bashing keeps, climbing walsl stabbing people fighting over oil spots.. watching my fellow mids battering the albs and hibs. What I do not enjoy is seeing 4-5 'Elite' fg's in our bg's working without thought to the others whose hard work they are gaining off. Countless EU relic raids have failed cause the 'elite' do as they please in their search for RP.

You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.

D.:cheers:
 

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Durgi said:
Oh Oh someone took the bait!

Now for the record chronic I don't dislike opted organised fg's. On US server's I'm part of a Guild group on a regular week night. Now what I do oppose is the european attitude to your opted eliteness. Screaming at PuG's for adding. Demanding people get lost, I've seen no end of utter arrogance and poor behavour from 8v8 specialists towards your casual player.

And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle. Though this may in turn be of a small assitance, 95% of the time its pure self interest. I enjoy leading RvR bg's bashing keeps, climbing walsl stabbing people fighting over oil spots.. watching my fellow mids battering the albs and hibs. What I do not enjoy is seeing 4-5 'Elite' fg's in our bg's working without thought to the others whose hard work they are gaining off. Countless EU relic raids have failed cause the 'elite' do as they please in their search for RP.

You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.

D.:cheers:

AGREE 100 %
 

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Durgi said:
You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.

D.:cheers:

Not really meight !

As I see, non of the "elite", as you call them, ask for people to go and get a few keeps so they may have Irvr. They just take advantage of it.

You get your kicks from tower bashing, wanking over seeing a enemy of the realm getting killed by 6 of you. We'll, I know for a fact _most_ of the "elite" groups you have sub categoried only like the 8v8 part. And it's not for Rp whoring, getting big e-peen. It's because it's the only god damn thing thats left in this game that is fun now.

How can you catagorise (sp?) and judge people who do the 8v8 ? What gives you the right to say there the "elitest"? Oh right, freedom of speech does.

So, therefore they have the right to shout whatever they like at you for adding. No ?

Respect? All they want is abit of respect to do there 8v8's. They will leave you to do whatever you want. They respec others in 8v8 combat so they may have a good time fighting.

You say we're the RP honey fuckers? No think again mate - I think the people who add are the RP honey fuckers. Obveously there not doing it for the fun are they.

P.S Flim please don't lock this thread. Let's have a QQ thread for once ;)
 

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Durgi said:
Now what I do oppose is the european attitude to your opted eliteness. Screaming at PuG's for adding.

Then why oppose this? If those who genuinely want fg action (there're some who merely claim to but that's another thread altogether :p ) go to Agramon and are left alone to have their fun, the rest of us are left alone to have our fun. No whines for adding in irvr zones, no frustration for people who have their chosen form of fights interrupted. So everyone's happy. I think you've entirely missed the point of this idea.
 

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Durgi said:
Oh Oh someone took the bait!

Now for the record chronic I don't dislike opted organised fg's. On US server's I'm part of a Guild group on a regular week night. Now what I do oppose is the european attitude to your opted eliteness. Screaming at PuG's for adding. Demanding people get lost, I've seen no end of utter arrogance and poor behavour from 8v8 specialists towards your casual player.

And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle. Though this may in turn be of a small assitance, 95% of the time its pure self interest. I enjoy leading RvR bg's bashing keeps, climbing walsl stabbing people fighting over oil spots.. watching my fellow mids battering the albs and hibs. What I do not enjoy is seeing 4-5 'Elite' fg's in our bg's working without thought to the others whose hard work they are gaining off. Countless EU relic raids have failed cause the 'elite' do as they please in their search for RP.

You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.

D.:cheers:
seriously, who fucking cares what they do on US servers?
 

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Durgi said:
Here's me think this is a RvR forum. Last time i checked RvR stood for Realm vs Realm.. not fg vs fg. Hmmm how odd, and to organise specific days and times to meet, wouldn't that be like arranging a duel over mirc, killing each other repeatedly etc.. oh RP farming.. sure there's something in that pesky thing called the CoC about that :)

D. :twak: :cheers: :m00:

oooh eeee oooh aah ahh ting tang walla walla WHINE man : (
 

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I will ignore the fact you didnt even read the threads i so helpfully gave you, as they have answered all of your points above. But i always like a good discussion so here we go :)
Durgi said:
Oh Oh someone took the bait!

Now for the record chronic I don't dislike opted organised fg's. On US server's I'm part of a Guild group on a regular week night
I find this very hard to believe, as from your post you show you have little or no idea of what the aims of a opted grp are.
But then i havent really played US for extended periods of time, so cant comment on what constitutes a gg in the US.
On EU the fg crowd play for fg vs fg (for the most part), people who go agramon play for fg vs fg.
And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle. Though this may in turn be of a small assitance, 95% of the time its pure self interest. I enjoy leading RvR bg's bashing keeps, climbing walsl stabbing people fighting over oil spots.. watching my fellow mids battering the albs and hibs. What I do not enjoy is seeing 4-5 'Elite' fg's in our bg's working without thought to the others whose hard work they are gaining off. Countless EU relic raids have failed cause the 'elite' do as they please in their search for RP.
So.....
if all the opted grps are in Agramon how is any of this relevant?,
And you will find most opted grps find keep seiges boring, so you are saying they arent allowed to play the way they want to just because YOU say so?
If all the opted grps are in Agramon is it not better for casual gamers?
1) It means you can have all the zerg action you want without being steamrolled repeatedly
2) PUG's can stay away from Agramon, where the opted grp action is and fight other PUG's in iRVR or elsewhere if they prefer.

You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.
D.:cheers:
You get less rp/h in agramon as the grps are all opted there..
Average night in iRVR: 50k
Average night in Agramon: 20k
So if the grps were after rp's why would they be going into a zone where the rp's are harder to farm due to the caliber of enemies being significantly higher?


Now in responce to your endless babble about how fg'ers never help the casual gamers,
see the mid power relic, that was my doing
yet i run in a opted grp..

approx 500+ people have got ml10 on my raids
yet i run in a opted grp..
 

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Hmm, I think by about page 4 there will be whine in this one :eek:
 

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agree with chronic.


it's not about rp's , it's about the fights , the long with a unknown outcome and fun fight's, those u don't get by zerging and adding.

rp's is just a way of means to count the fun.
 

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And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle.
tbh all that is way out of date - sounds like RvR 1 or 2 yrs ago, not now.

Nowadays there are no bgs or realm raids/objectives and casuals are just as or more rp horny as the leet crowd (aka iRvR, pure rp-farming, bridge-camping grind for the sake of it).
 

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Yep points covered, someone is way out of date with their view of the rvr world. There's no more zerg farming for any realm anyway.
 

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Chronictank said:
You get less rp/h in agramon as the grps are all opted there..
Average night in iRVR: 50k
Average night in Agramon: 20k
So if the grps were after rp's why would they be going into a zone where the rp's are harder to farm due to the caliber of enemies being significantly higher?
..

maybe you get less rps but most of the ppl running in agramon have spent the last 3-4 years farming those not so opted ppl so now its easy for them to say plz leave us in agramon because most of them are rr8+ an dont need the rps in same way:)
but you still c alot of high rr ppl that come here an say how they only want 8 vs 8 an fuck those ppl who add an then the next time you c them with a fg looking for "fair fights" at the hot spots where they know they will get easy rps 90% of the time..
not a whine or anything btw :)
 

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Eeben said:
maybe you get less rps but most of the ppl running in agramon have spent the last 3-4 years farming those not so opted ppl so now its easy for them to say plz leave us in agramon because most of them are rr8+ an dont need the rps in same way:)
but you still c alot of high rr ppl that come here an say how they only want 8 vs 8 an fuck those ppl who add an then the next time you c them with a fg looking for "fair fights" at the hot spots where they know they will get easy rps 90% of the time..
not a whine or anything btw :)
well i made my stance on iRVR prety well known,
if they are outside Agramon they are fair game.
But we are talking about Agramon and the grps that go there when there is action.
 

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Chronictank said:
well i made my stance on iRVR prety well known,
if they are outside Agramon they are fair game.
But we are talking about Agramon and the grps that go there when there is action.

think you misunderstod me or i misundestod you:) proberly me who did not make my self clear :p

you are asking for ppl to leave agramon for 8 vs 8 only right?
 

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Eeben said:
think you misunderstod me or i misundestod you:) proberly me who did not make my self clear :p

you are asking for ppl to leave agramon for 8 vs 8 only right?
nop, the discussion is that if all opted grps go agramon, how does it hurt the casual gamer :).

But on a side not it was a general conencus agreed by most that Agramon was to be left as the fg'ers playground (link here: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=187417 ), and it is pretty beneficial for casual gamers to respect that.
As at the end of the day if Agramon turns into a no-go for Fg's the only place they will go is to farm all the people who dont run in the opted grps again.
Or have OF style 2 full groups of opted people wiping out double figures in bomb grps like when Zoyster was in his prime
 

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Chronictank said:
nop, the discussion is that if all opted grps go agramon, how does it hurt the casual gamer :)

got it all wrongt then.. my bad :):) doubt that will ever happen tho:) to many easy rps at the hot spots :p
 

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Eeben said:
maybe you get less rps but most of the ppl running in agramon have spent the last 3-4 years farming those not so opted ppl so now its easy for them to say plz leave us in agramon because most of them are rr8+ an dont need the rps in same way:)
but you still c alot of high rr ppl that come here an say how they only want 8 vs 8 an fuck those ppl who add an then the next time you c them with a fg looking for "fair fights" at the hot spots where they know they will get easy rps 90% of the time..
not a whine or anything btw :)

i gotta agree to the part about the high rr. This whole discussion with the zerging and adding and so forth would have been so much more believable and good if just some of the players on the "opted side" would be a low rr for once. But sometimes it feels like a very rish person in rl that worked his way up like everyone else and then when he is up there he forgets where he came from and now talk rubbish of all the poor and working class hero scums:p
This is not a disagreement against all you said though chronic, you have some valid points in there.
But i agree to the fact that most high rrs wouldnt act all that if they were low again, then they would be out there "helping" the realm with zerg add and do whatever the lower rr has to do to get foward in ranking:)
 

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ebenezer said:
This is not a disagreement against all you said though chronic, you have some valid points in there.
But i agree to the fact that most high rrs wouldnt act all that if they were low again, then they would be out there "helping" the realm with zerg add and do whatever the lower rr has to do to get foward in ranking:)
You probably hit the nail on the head there,
but the more action there is in Agramon there more likely the opted grps are likely to go there.
For example Vodka Fairys grp and AOD usually come out to agramon to play if you challenge them, that means there are 3 less opted grps in iRVR (or wherever the rvr is when iRVR is broken).
Eventually the majority of grps will come to agramon to stretch their e-peens too :) just as it was before iRVR on Mondays and Sundays.
The problem currently is most fg's will do a tour of Agramon, see nothing and then go iRVR rather than announce they are in Agramon on IRC so if there is set times when they know people will be there they are more likely to show up.
 

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Chronictank said:
well i made my stance on iRVR prety well known,
if they are outside Agramon they are fair game.

If only it was that simple... our group got shouted at for adding on fights litterally in sight of the iRvR keeps... We'd love to play "by the rules" (The unwritten and unenforcable rules made up by a tiny minority of the playerbase that is) but the friggin rules just keep getting changed to whatever the "cool" groups feel like :<
 

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Pirkel said:
If only it was that simple... our group got shouted at for adding on fights litterally in sight of the iRvR keeps... We'd love to play "by the rules" (The unwritten and unenforcable rules made up by a tiny minority of the playerbase that is) but the friggin rules just keep getting changed to whatever the "cool" groups feel like :<
could do what i do and type
/macro add /y Dont worry next time i'm bringing 3fg, Dont like it? Go Agramon

or something similar, my actual macro is not as nice :p

In reality if they are swearing etc at you , you can report them and they get a nice 3 day holiday :)
 

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Durgi said:
Oh Oh someone took the bait!

Now for the record chronic I don't dislike opted organised fg's. On US server's I'm part of a Guild group on a regular week night. Now what I do oppose is the european attitude to your opted eliteness. Screaming at PuG's for adding. Demanding people get lost, I've seen no end of utter arrogance and poor behavour from 8v8 specialists towards your casual player.

And to top that off, when the pug's and cusual's come together to participate in actual RvR, taking and defending keeps, tower bashing etc. Here on EU servers the elite, join the bg's to find out where the action is so they can not assit in the objectives of there fellow realm mates. but to run round doing whatever they like.. and what they like is farming rp. They aren't there to join in the fun, they're there to bolster there rp picking of enemy PuG's, loners running to join the battle. Though this may in turn be of a small assitance, 95% of the time its pure self interest. I enjoy leading RvR bg's bashing keeps, climbing walsl stabbing people fighting over oil spots.. watching my fellow mids battering the albs and hibs. What I do not enjoy is seeing 4-5 'Elite' fg's in our bg's working without thought to the others whose hard work they are gaining off. Countless EU relic raids have failed cause the 'elite' do as they please in their search for RP.

You talk of respect, try paying some to those whose backs you feed off, don't yell stop adding when your doing no more than leeching from their hard work. The very reason there's so many enemies around is cause they have taken the time and effort to smash a dozen towers, a couple of keeps, and brought them out to do battle. It's Realm vs Realm, not Our Quest for RP.

D.:cheers:

Pretty warped view of EU rvr, some set fgs may have an elitist attitude, but thats because they have a different view of how rvr should be to others, they are no different from ppl who think it should be zerg vs zerg. if they were on a 'quest for rps' then they wouldn't avoid adding on fg vs fg fights would they?

Also in regards to relic raids etc (or at least ones ive been on) fg vs fg guilds are employed to stop defenders reaching the relic in question, because of their experience in fighting other groups head on, they're particularly effective at this where as the other types of players may be better at organising keep sieges etc. At least thats my experience on EU

ktnx :twak:

PS. mon, wed, thur, sun... cos thats when my grp runs ^^, tho any day before primetime seems best for soloing(dueling) on my paladin
 

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Fg'ers going to Agramon keeps everyone happy. The fg's get their add free fights, while the rest of us can play without having to constantly dodge the toys being thrown out the prams. Only an American wouldn't grasp this simple fact. :p
 

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