Dunno about you.

[tris-]

Fact is, good drivers don't have to pay attention on every second. Incompetent drivers crash.

Most drivers change CDs, check maps, find the waterbottle and a numerous other tasks that "avert the attention" and don't crash. Why? Because they know WHEN to do so.

They don't do it on a busy intersection, or in the middle of the city etc.

How and why is this a fact?

How do we distinguish a good driver from an incompetent driver? Maybe this imaginary good driver has simply been lucky so far not to have an accident while not paying attention. The incompetent driver is unlucky for oding the same thing as the good driver but this time he had an accident. Does that even make him incompetent??

 

[Zenith.UK]

If I seem to have a bee in my bonnet about road safety, it's because I've lost friends in fatal car accidents that could have been totally avoided.

There is also things like this caused by driver inattention...
WalesOnline - News - Wales News - Llandudno family of six killed in motorway crash

In court, it was found out the HGV driver was watching a DVD on his laptop on the dashboard just before the crash!
Lorry driver Paulo Jorge Nogueira da Silva jailed over motorway collision that killed family - Times Online

 

[kiliarien]

Since last three replies to me were the basic mere "you're just doing x", nothing to reply here. PEople should atleast try to reply to something i say.

I've given my opinion, if someone wants to discuss it, reply accordingly.

CorN replied to your argument. You ignored it.

We would reply to what you say, but your arguments are full of shit so you should accordingly expect people to treat them as so. In this thread you have been shown time and time again that you should readjust your views, something which (*yawn*) time and time again you fail to do.

You don't drive, never have driven, claim that people are incompetent because they don't know when they can and not use their mobiles and critical times (and as already noted by CorN, you never know when that crtitcal moment is), and still labour your argument.

Now run along home Toht, I hope for the love of god you won't be driving home anywhere near me soon, go and get your license first.

 

[CorNokZ]

Nuff said

 

[Sparx]

Anyone who drives knows how dodgy it is to do other things at the same time its a fact, forget all this multasking bollocks even changing the radio knocks your thought out

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

I didn't write a longer post, because your comments are so extremely full of bullshit, that I don't even know where to start. Aside from that, you have 0 experience on the matter so you don't even fucking /know/ anything about the subject yet still claim to know better than many of us that have driven cars for years. I've got my B licence (car) for 11 years, and my A licence (bike) for 8. I've driven almost everywhere in europe, save for the UK, and I've driven cars in the US. I think I've got some experience in driving.

The concentration you need for driving a car cannot be compared to anything else out there. It's a totally different kind of concentration than say solving a sudoku or crossword or having to finish a project before a certain deadline. It's not an extremely focussed concentration, but it's an extremely constant concentration.
If you don't drive, you can't argue. It's as simple as that.

But just for your humour, let's do it mathematically....

within city limits the speed limit is 50km/h. That means you're travelling at
50 / 3.6 = 13.9 m/s.
You got your phone on the seat next to you. You hear the dingy thing of a text message..
you have to glance over to see where the phone is, so you can pick it up. Turn it over to get the screen on the good side so you can read it. Open up the text message and read said message. That, if you're really fast, takes 3 seconds.
That's 41.7 meters.

If you're on the highway, with a top speed of 120km/h, that translates to 100 m

That's a huge distance for what essentially will become an unguided kinetic weapen with an energy of
city: 115.7 kJ
highway: 666.7 kJ

For comparison, a bullet has a kinetic energy of about 3 kJ

 

[Olgaline]

There is no such thing as alternative medicine. Test it against a placebo.
If it works better than the placebo, it’s not alternative – if it doesn’t, it’s not medicine.

 

[tris-]

what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Olgaline]

confused ?

 

[CorNokZ]

very much, yes! No one has been talking about medicine or alternative treatments afaik?

 

[Olgaline]

I'd say as valid an argument...get it ?

Spoiler

it's ment to confuse and make no sence!

 

[Aoami]

whats the max trimester a woman can be in to have an abortion? is tohtori too far along do you reckon?

 

[Olgaline]

auch,
thats mean man!

over the top imo

 

[Aoami]

what? i was merely suggesting that ol' argumentative toht is like a pregnant women

 

[Olgaline]

ah, ok, read abit differently ...






carry on!

 

[kiliarien]

Not really sure why that's OTT Ogla.

But don't link Toht with pregnancy - that might suggest broodlings, and that I can't cope with.

 

[old.Tohtori]

CorN replied to your argument. You ignored it.

Didn't actually, answered it right after.

Wank less, your vision is going.

I'm not claiming to know better either, i'm giving an opinion.

Others seem to lack the ability to discuss things without resorting to insults or old cop-outs.

If you want to flame me, talk less shit and if you want me to readjust my view, f*ck off. You've put bullshit claims in eery post you've made.

Ill ask again what i asked CorNokZ;

Do you all drive without interruption, without changing CDs, without any motion to move your hands from the 10-2?

Hmm?

Didn't think so.

How and why is this a fact?

How do we distinguish a good driver from an incompetent driver? Maybe this imaginary good driver has simply been lucky so far not to have an accident while not paying attention. The incompetent driver is unlucky for oding the same thing as the good driver but this time he had an accident. Does that even make him incompetent??

They're not incompetent if they don't crash, luck or not.

If they crash because of fiddling a phone while in a roundabout, they're incompetent.

We distinguish good drivers and bad drivers every day.

 

[soze]

If they crash because of fiddling a phone while in a roundabout, they're incompetent.

I think the point every one is trying to make is it does not matter if your on a round a bout or cruising at 70 you need the same concentration. If something run into the road and the car in front of you stops on a straight bit of boring road you are still going to crash and you could kill people.

I very rarely only have one had on the wheel, when cursing i drive with my hands at 7 and 2 and move to 10 and 2 when i need to turn.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think the point every one is trying to make is it does not matter if your on a round a bout or cruising at 70 you need the same concentration. If something run into the road and the car in front of you stops on a straight bit of boring road you are still going to crash and you could kill people.

I very rarely only have one had on the wheel, when cursing i drive with my hands at 7 and 2 and move to 10 and 2 when i need to turn.

If this is how everyone feels/drives, then fair enough. People here(forums) drive THAT carefully.

I base my opinion on being in cars with different drivers for years and years, all of whom very rarely drive at 10-2 or even 7-2, mostly in leisure driving have one hand on the wheel, sometimes(rarely though) drive by holding the wheel with a knee, change CDs, open bottles(soda etc), eat etc etc.

Not one crash, not even a bumper bump.

That's why all this "ooh no, it's really concentration required rtc" seems silly, 'cause to me it doesn't seem THAT hard and on the limited driving i've done, it doesn't even feel like it.

The other point that was completely ignored was that this is over the top for an anti-text commer as it seems to imply "You text, you die!" in a VERY graphic way.

 

[CorNokZ]

Ill ask again what i asked CorNokZ;

Do you all drive without interruption, without changing CDs, without any motion to move your hands from the 10-2?

Hmm?

Didn't think so.

Yes I do infact.. I move my right hand when I change gears, cause I'm not a fagget with automatic, and I listen to the radio when I drive, so no need to change CDs or put on make-up

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes I do infact.. I move my right hand when I change gears, cause I'm not a fagget with automatic, and I listen to the radio when I drive, so no need to change CDs or put on make-up

Righto, you're a cautious driver.

The point being that most(i dare say most in a global scale) don't drive that cautious and you wouldn't call all of those dangerous or reckless drivers, would you?

And don't lie, you love your make-up

 

[CorNokZ]

I do love my make-up, but I put it on before I get in the car!!

 

[soze]

If this is how everyone feels/drives, then fair enough. People here(forums) drive THAT carefully.

I base my opinion on being in cars with different drivers for years and years, all of whom very rarely drive at 10-2 or even 7-2, mostly in leisure driving have one hand on the wheel, sometimes(rarely though) drive by holding the wheel with a knee, change CDs, open bottles(soda etc), eat etc etc.

Not one crash, not even a bumper bump.

That's why all this "ooh no, it's really concentration required rtc" seems silly, 'cause to me it doesn't seem THAT hard and on the limited driving i've done, it doesn't even feel like it.

The other point that was completely ignored was that this is over the top for an anti-text commer as it seems to imply "You text, you die!" in a VERY graphic way.

It seems like i take my responsibility while driving more seriously than your friends. If you mate is driving with his knees and a car swipes him sending him onto the pavement and he runs a family over before he gets his hands back on the wheel is that not his fault too? If he had been concentrating and driving properly he could have reacted quicker.

I see what you are saying but all the adverts aimed at kids are made to shock like the images of dead lungs on fag packs. If the advert just showed the girl coast to a stop a say well that was close I should not text again it would have much less impact.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It seems like i take my responsibility while driving more seriously than your friends. If you mate is driving with his knees and a car swipes him sending him onto the pavement and he runs a family over before he gets his hands back on the wheel is that not his fault too? If he had been concentrating and driving properly he could have reacted quicker.

I see what you are saying but all the adverts aimed at kids are made to shock like the images of dead lungs on fag packs. If the advert just showed the girl coast to a stop a say well that was close I should not text again it would have much less impact.

You are a more cautious driver, yes, but i wouldn't go as far as say people are irresponsible for not being the very model driving school video robots 24/7 behind the wheel.

Like i said, good drivers can handle a car and can fiddle about. That doesn't mean that i'm calling you a less driver(for those who would read it as such), just that it's not as clear cut as "text and die".

Accidents are a sum of things more times then not after all.

I agree that shock works, but there's a limit. That's a bit too brutal for your average telly crew and the message(which kids ignore most the time anyway), could be sent with less graphic and violent ways. Just over the top that one, in my opinion.

 

[Bugz]

Accidents are not always a sum of things.

I text, one hand off the wheel, veer onto the other side, kaboom.

I text, don't notice the red lights, kaboom.

etc.

I won't be arguing anymore with you on it Toht because frankly, its a waste of time. God knows why you keep on persisting to make a numpty out of yourself on a forum where such a large amount of people dislike you/your posting style.

 

[Sparx]

its easier and quicker to control a car if you are holding the wheel one handed than it is looking at the floor. Just cause you watch other drivers does not give you an opinion on how much they have to concentrate, a good driver can be relaxed and look like they arent paying attention but on the spot you say to them what did that last road sign say, i best most of them could tell you.

So i say to re iterrate, just cause you sit beside someone does not and i repeat not give you an opinion on whats going on in the cockpit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Accidents are not always a sum of things.

I text, one hand off the wheel, veer onto the other side, kaboom.

I text, don't notice the red lights, kaboom.

etc.

Disregarding your last part, which is neither here nor there(especially since you're not part of the anti- crew right? Pfft.);

Ofcourse if you're texting and don't hold any attention to what you're doing, you're going to veer into the woods.

That's not what i'm disagreeing on and i'd appreciate you not turning it into such.

Would you say that every person changing a CD is as bad? Or anyone driving with one hand? Or anyone doing anything except the 10-2 40degree textbook driving?

its easier and quicker to control a car if you are holding the wheel one handed than it is looking at the floor. Just cause you watch other drivers does not give you an opinion on how much they have to concentrate, a good driver can be relaxed and look like they arent paying attention but on the spot you say to them what did that last road sign say, i best most of them could tell you.

So i say to re iterrate, just cause you sit beside someone does not and i repeat not give you an opinion on whats going on in the cockpit.

I know this. I know they pay attention, i know they aren't relaxed, but it doesn't mean it's a masterful show of zen as people here try to sell it off. Most drivers don't act like driving school robots.

 

[Sparx]

But the problem is toh when you are texting your not holding enough attention. Simple as that

 

[old.Tohtori]

But the problem is toh when you are texting your not holding enough attention. Simple as that

*sigh* So anything you're doing in the car except driving 10-2 is wrong?

You shouldn't fiddle with the radio at all etc?

 

[Sparx]

Im not saying that. What people are saying is its wrong to text and thats the whole point in the beginning which you started arguing against.

I drive one handed, but i know if something happens infront of me i can react quicker if i am looking out the window than looking at the phone

Please stop veering off course from your original arguement. This is what people are talking about, your veering away from your original statement to prove your right which you arent