TV Dr Who

[Mazling]

Bleh.

 

[Appollo]

:lol:

 

[throdgrain]

Great episode.

 

[Appollo]

So much QQ on the Dr Who forum, as per usual the server is jammed.

 

[Scouse]

Wrapped RTD up nicely, for him...

 

[Wij]

Worst episode ever.

Oooh - for no apparent reason Donna can now flick a switch and turn all the Daleks into Frank Spencer. All that build-up and zero delivery.

Utter nobrind.

 

[chipper]

watch it again its explained quite well why she can do it good episode

 

[Wij]

watch it again its explained quite well why she can do it good episode

Missing the point entirely. It's only explained at the time. There's no way you could have guessed she would be gaining those powers. It's like:

"Haha - Regeneration + Doctor's hand + Metacrisis (just made up now) + Davros lightning bolt == SUPAPOWAZ !!!!1"

Damn - so obvious. Should have seen it coming.

And then what five minutes ago was a Dalek empire capable of razing the universe even without the reality bomb is now turned into camp slapstick because some new clever-dick has the controls of one of the coffee-machines.

If Daleks were that easy to beat why did nobody do it before ?

Lazy writing taken to the extreme.

 

[Shagrat]

Agree with Wij.

RTD seems to be good at pulling a great plot together, and then has no idea as to how to tag a good ending on and just messes it up.

Always feels there is something missing.

 

[ford prefect]

I don't think it was a bad story line, but it did feel a bit rushed - too much going on in a very short period of time. The story could have done with a third episode so the plot could have been explained better.

 

[Sar]

TBH I'm in agreement with Wijlet. It was a complete Deus Ex Machina.

The Stolen Earth was a fantastic build up, and Journey's End has two words to describe it:

Cop Out.

Seriously. The whole "one companion will die" thing? He did that at the end of the second season with Rose, where she "died", and did exactly the same sort of thing here.

I'd have had more respect for him if he'd actually killed Donna off, but instead it's just her memories he kills.

Pfft.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yeah the ending with the daleks felt a bit cheap, but leaving the doctor on his own with everyone but him happy was a nice way to end up.

 

[chipper]

i dont see the problem i mean davros even says a time lord without a weapon is still a dangerous thing hence the force field cell hes put into look at the power the daleks had at their disposal now imagine it in the hands of a timelord not as far fetched now is it as far as the daleks know the doctor is the last time lord and davros had assumed hed killed donna

have to remember the time lords were the equal of the daleks if not better not killing a companion was a bit of a cop out but we did lose 2 companions we lost rose we probably wont hear from her again and donna is gone for good

 

[Nate]

Reckon Mickey and Martha are gonna be the new Torchwood?

 

[Ch3tan]

Be in the new torchwood yes.

 

[Wij]

look at the power the daleks had at their disposal now imagine it in the hands of a timelord

They don't have passwords on their workstations now ?

 

[chipper]

when you hold everything in the universe in utter contempt and beneath you why bother? they had the only person who could have done anything in a cell.


over confidence has always been the daleks down fall in every appearance they've made.

 

[Wij]

Rubbish. Why would the Daleks even need a console ? In a jail ?

Here's my attempt at the ending.

Doctor: "My god the largest Dalek empire ever recorded. I calculate the entire universe will be wiped out within a month as there isn't a single race capable of inflicting meaningful casualtes on... oh, I just remembered Daleks are allergic to cheese."

Donna: "Bleedin' 'eck I've GOT DAIRLEE DUNKERS 'ERE !!!1"

Davros: "Oh no... the cheese infection is spreading (geddit)"

Dalek: "Does not compute... Does not Roquefort..." *comedy explosion*

Doctor: "Well that's that wrapped up surprisingly quickly; now we've got a good twenty minutes for the emotional ending stuff."

 

[Damini]

Yeah, Doctor Donna was a tad cringey. It wasn't as bad as the last end of season finale, which I absolutely loathed, but when she started babbling techno talk you did just slump in your seat and shake your head. They should have had the courage to kill her off, blood pouring from the nose style, but I'm guessing the reason they won't is

Spoiler

Quarter time lord sprogs, with ginger hair, that may or may not grow up to look remarkably like Alex Kingston

I'm wondering if they're finally going to give Sally Sparrow the assistant's role now?

 

[chipper]

firstly it wasnt a jail it was the control room of the crucible hence davros been there if you notice when they started to fire the weapon it was from that room they just kept the doctor there to make him see the end.

it wasnt the best finale ive seen that was probably reserved for rose leaving end of season 2 that was a heartbreaker

im just saying if you watch it and take note of whats going on its not a tangled mess of non sensical nonsense everything that happens is explained or readily seen

personally i think donna should have died after they've bigged her up all series it was a pretty crap ending for her she should have gone out in a blaze of glory dragging davros into the core or some shit.

i think they wanted some closure with rose spawning a 2nd doctor wasnt really my cup of tea it worked but only just least shes happy and im glad cos she has been my fav companion by far


the ending could have been better i admit the build up far outdid the ending but it could have been much worse now bring on the christmas special rumour has it there will be 2 new assistants from different time periods which fall in love could make for an interesting plot device a couple aboard the tardis

 

[Sar]

i dont see the problem i mean davros even says a time lord without a weapon is still a dangerous thing hence the force field cell hes put into look at the power the daleks had at their disposal now imagine it in the hands of a timelord not as far fetched now is it as far as the daleks know the doctor is the last time lord and davros had assumed hed killed donna

have to remember the time lords were the equal of the daleks if not better not killing a companion was a bit of a cop out but we did lose 2 companions we lost rose we probably wont hear from her again and donna is gone for good

Here you're missing these: . . . . . . . .

Found em down the back of the sofa, you might need them.

 

[Ch3tan]

Pay attention chipper. It was not the control room of the crucible. It was referred to as the "vault" and it was a prison for davros and dalek kahn(sp).

After the first episode last week, I really expected much more from the finale.

 

[chipper]

Here you're missing these: . . . . . . . .

Found em down the back of the sofa, you might need them.

why? everyone else managed to read it fine.

 

[Ch3tan]

Thats a mighty big assumption to make, I know I gave up when I got to "i mean".

 

[chipper]

if you want to lecture me on punctuation then do so in pms, this is a thread about doctor who, be nice to keep on topic for a change instead of trolling it with pointless posts which are meant to do nothing but offend.

 

[MYstIC G]

Then stop letting RTD post using your account chipper.

Bottom line is this episode was good, not great. Problem is that the build up episode was great.

Sticking Rose back in the bum universe was a cop out especially given they didn't actually make him say the words "I love you".

Not killing Donna was another cop out. After what was said (and as Wij pointed out) they should have gone through with it or Dalek Caan should have said "you will suffer a great loss" instead. The end would have been more emotional as well if he'd dumped her back on Earth remembering everything and basically saying "no, no. back you go, go type 100 words per minute" much as he did to SjS.

Leaving the door open for more Torchwood is (imho) going to be a horrific error.

Only good thing was the usual not showing Davros actually buy the farm as no more Daleks would be proper naff.

Oh and Wilfred is a legend!

 

[Wij]

Mal-stilton !!!1

etc...

 

[throdgrain]

Christ you're a bunch of fucking wingers ....

 

[Ch3tan]

It took you this long to figure that out throddy?

chipper, you could at least try to use some punctuation.

I suppose the one good thing to come out of last nights episode is that RTD is not involved anymore

 

[old.Tohtori]

Spoiler

It wasn't quite what expected. While good enough, it was as often Doctor Who solutions are; "I'll just take this and switch it like this and voila, negative to positive and send the waves BACK."

Your basic "defelctor shield" solution to all problems sci-fi if you will.

But, saying that, i still find the ending, after the whole emotional towtrucking across the universe that is, a good series ender. They closed the books on everything and left the Doctor as he was in the beginning, alone.

Though the ending was a bit too emotionally acted for a guy who's fought the timewars etc etc, but...it'll pass

Fresh start and all that, which i think the story needs. Shame it takes a while for the next one to arrive, 2010 i believe?