DH Nice work !

[ab_fluid]

well duh mumin

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by old.Zanaa
And unfortunately for you, it doesnt help to try kill him first

Yes, last time we met you, Reklaw died first, but then things went pear-shaped.

 

[bult]

Fight vs DH is usually like this - we mezz they GP i get ~3 pets on me tanks charge in. Im interupted so no root and amnesia spam we all die. There are times when it goes better tho ;d. When thier GP is down it gets a hell of alot easier but still hardest group on excal i think Oo. think its 2wins for us and 1000 wins for them or so ^^

 

[hotrat]

Originally posted by bult
Fight vs DH is usually like this - we mezz they GP i get ~3 pets on me tanks charge in. Im interupted so no root and amnesia spam we all die. There are times when it goes better tho ;d. When thier GP is down it gets a hell of alot easier but still hardest group on excal i think Oo. think its 2wins for us and 1000 wins for them or so ^^

Your lucky to get away with just pets on you these days just as i try to ae root the pets i get hit by stun str/con debuff, heat debuff, boom boom dead in 2 nukes Mind you I haven't fought them for a while, last time I can remember was in breifine/gorge border. Today they suicided on atk literally as I got invited to the FC group

 

[old.XanateA]

Blazie is like the best mezzing bard ever... but walker is alot better went the fight has gone past mezz

 

[bult]

Originally posted by hotrat
Your lucky to get away with just pets on you these days just as i try to ae root the pets i get hit by stun str/con debuff, heat debuff, boom boom dead in 2 nukes Mind you I haven't fought them for a while, last time I can remember was in breifine/gorge border. Today they suicided on atk literally as I got invited to the FC group

Yeah of course they nuke me also but pets probably more annoying :/ if i get nuked i can usualy get away since im either standing at 1500 range spamming AE root and debuffs or even further away spamming mezzes and amnesia so just a few steps and im safe from nukes. Sheph can be pretty damn annoying too he is like a pet that never dies ;P

Anyway i like it better when i get instakilled by debuff DDs cus then i get ressed at once and can usually find a better hiding spot to interupt from. Alot more annoying to have pets on u doing no dmg but interupting you while your tanks are getting pwned. Looking forward to getting moc tho since im lowbie i dont have it yet, not for long tho respeccing soon at rr5

 

[tildson]

Relics affects your damage variance alot! My r7l8 luri debuffs+DD for 450-500 vs high heatresists, 700-800 with energydebuff. With relics you constantly cap, thus why your average pbae isnt is 375(-375), but 400-450 with relics.

Atleast by my experience, hib/exc has got relics very very very long so i dunno if u guys remember how it was without them

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by old.XanateA
Blazie is like the best mezzing bard ever... but walker is alot better went the fight has gone past mezz

blaz got fj0rtis skills

 

[hotrat]

Met DH again today, was experiencing yellow triangle lag at the time and it decided to go red square just after my first mezz, damn lag! Ah well better luck next time I guess.

Originally posted by bult
Yeah of course they nuke me also but pets probably more annoying :/ if i get nuked i can usualy get away since im either standing at 1500 range spamming AE root and debuffs or even further away spamming mezzes and amnesia so just a few steps and im safe from nukes. Sheph can be pretty damn annoying too he is like a pet that never dies ;P

Anyway i like it better when i get instakilled by debuff DDs cus then i get ressed at once and can usually find a better hiding spot to interupt from. Alot more annoying to have pets on u doing no dmg but interupting you while your tanks are getting pwned. Looking forward to getting moc tho since im lowbie i dont have it yet, not for long tho respeccing soon at rr5

Yer I can usually run out of range but not if they qc stun then debuff then boom boom I definately agree that sometimes dieing and getting a rez is a good thing some groups just totally ignore you after a rez, other times you get rezzed to a really nice position.
If GP didn't effect pets hibs would have a much harder time for sure, but it does unlike SoS which does not effect pets. Also 90% of the time I die from hib caster groups its because of the heat debuff, quite annoying to die faster than i can press last attacker /face qc then mezz, only 2 classes that can do that solo; chanter and savage.

 

[rure_]

giv video DH. would be the coolest movie ever

 

[hotrat]

I kinda wish albs had GP and that TWF and BaoD were removed from the game (remove BoF as well whatever).
Then I could picture a very strong alb caster group with:

40 Body 36 mind spec sorc.
Minstrel.
Spirit/body cabalist, mostly for ae disease, pet to interupt, body debuff
Ice wiz, Pbae essential in any caster group, VP
2nd Ice Wiz, Pbae stacks so nicely
50 shield paladin, slam and guardbot, could use a arms + pots.
2 clerics, rej/enh, one can spec smite if you got bb's

Comparing the utility of this to a typical hib caster group still leaves me to think hibs are stronger (even if alb clerics had GP). Albs get pbae debuff but take an entire extra group slot for cc + speed. Hibs can fill this slot with a warden.
Considering mana elds have ae disease a cabalist offers very little compared to a chanter, in fact if you compare 2 mana elds and a chanter to 2 ice wizards and a cabalist I find that the only advantage for albs is VP. The pbae on the chanter and the heat debuff allowing all 3 classes to assist are very nice indeed.
A paladin lacks det but with GP and his own purge that shouldn't pose a problem, Faith Heal could also come in quite handy.
Finally the 2 clerics, again falling short of the utility of 2 druids (excluding GP) especially if one of the druids specs 36 in NA.

Most people agree on the description dark age of tankalot, but the 3 main reasons casters seem poor are interupts, poor armor, and no determination. The main reason people don't roam in caster groups is if they get jumped they are very unlikely to win, GP fixes that. Interupts can be fixed by using pbae so that if one caster is interupted others around that caster can help them unless everyone is being interupted, this is the same for all realms. Finally poor armor, guard pbt and plenty of healing classes help to keep a caster alive and combined with pbae are a very strong defence for a caster.

Without GP though the whole group collapses as they rely so much on each other to stay alive and the more people that get mezzed/killed the harder it gets. In a typical alb tank group I rely on my clerics and sometimes my minstrel or paladin to keep me alive. So as albs don't actually have GP they gotta go the tank route, I personally think 2 clerics, 1 mind sorc, 1 paladin, 2 mercs and 2 minstrels is albs best setup to fight mids or hibs.
The 2nd minstrel must run with a pet and vs hibs both minstrels and the sorc must focus on ae interupting the pbae box, anything outside the box gets a pet on it. Vs mids you gain a 2nd SoS, and a 2nd minstrel to interupt all the support while the paladin and mercs kill.

Anyway I enjoy the game atm especially since hibs still roam with plenty of variation in their group, I just wish it could be the same for all realms. DH do seem very good atm, but their group is designed to take on tank groups (they know that 90% of the alb/mid guild rvr groups will be tank groups), if other realms started roaming in caster groups they would have a much harder time, say a group with 4 fire wizards (all with VP) 2 clerics 1 mins and a body/mind sorc (heat debuff) fought them.
In fact I would love to see DH fight a group of say 4 chanters 2 druids 1 warden and 1 bard 6 pets, GP, 4 BaoD, TWF....

 

[walkerb]

actually our group isnt made specificly to take out tank groups(some would claim void eld instead of warden is better etc), but just as an overall balanced group for whatever we meet, be mid tank group alb tank group, caster group or alb zerg etc.

and there prolly will be a video soon we already got some old fights recorded and will try record some with the new group to.

 

[-Wedge-]

Hotrats, try running around with 2 sorcs & a minstrel, demez'ing suddenly becomes shit loads easier... 1 Sorc should be Mind Spec'd , the other should be Body Spec'd ...

The AE-debuff your talking about is pure and utter, uh, crap... 10% damage increase is nothing... Perhaps if the cast time is downed to 3s... Atm, a body sorc (instead of something else in the group) is worth his money...

You dont really need a slammer in the group, although it could be nice... I'd rather take a theurgist in the group instead of the slammer, and make sure he pets everything that walks... (probably since we dont have that many tanks that know how to play defensively)

 

[enli]

Originally posted by walkerb
actually our group isnt made specificly to take out tank groups(some would claim void eld instead of warden is better etc), but just as an overall balanced group for whatever we meet, be mid tank group alb tank group, caster group or alb zerg etc.

and there prolly will be a video soon we already got some old fights recorded and will try record some with the new group to.

me wanna see (most of excalibur prolly)

 

[bult]

Originally posted by walkerb
actually our group isnt made specificly to take out tank groups(some would claim void eld instead of warden is better etc), but just as an overall balanced group for whatever we meet, be mid tank group alb tank group, caster group or alb zerg etc.

and there prolly will be a video soon we already got some old fights recorded and will try record some with the new group to.

Please dont take any of the fights when u wtfpwn us in seconds, instead take the ones that is fairly even please much more enjoyable to watch (atleast for me ^^)

 

[piggeman]

I agree on one thing. Uber group ... when RAs is up.

edit: when will we see a "ubah" group from Albion?

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by piggeman
I agree on one thing. Uber group ... when RAs is up.

edit: when will we see a "ubah" group from Albion?

and since they have 2 of everything and they are from rr8-11 ra's are up just about all the time


dont listen to him, your good even w/o ra's

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by piggeman
I agree on one thing. Uber group ... when RAs is up.

edit: when will we see a "ubah" group from Albion?

there is one, Farek's new guild.. only about rr4 yet but far better than any other alb guild

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
there is one, Farek's new guild.. only about rr4 yet but far better than any other alb guild

Turboneger rippoff ^^

 

[hotrat]

Originally posted by -Wedge-
Hotrats, try running around with 2 sorcs & a minstrel, demez'ing suddenly becomes shit loads easier... 1 Sorc should be Mind Spec'd , the other should be Body Spec'd ...

The AE-debuff your talking about is pure and utter, uh, crap... 10% damage increase is nothing... Perhaps if the cast time is downed to 3s... Atm, a body sorc (instead of something else in the group) is worth his money...

You dont really need a slammer in the group, although it could be nice... I'd rather take a theurgist in the group instead of the slammer, and make sure he pets everything that walks... (probably since we dont have that many tanks that know how to play defensively)

When I said debuff I meant the cold debuff on sorc if hibs want too debuff pbae they need to use a void eld whereas albs could use their main cc class. However having 2 sorc's is also a good idea, but you have to lose something, a guardbot I always fear on my minstrel when facing hib pbae groups - slam then pbae, cabalist maybe, ae disease is useful but thats about it... and this is where the main problem with albs is, disease is never have in a typical alb group; I watched another fight of JH today and the way the shaman can kite is shocking, a huge advantage, not to mention how good ae disease is vs a pbae box. Give sorc ae disease in the matter line or change the unique sorc RA to 15 min timer insta disease, albs abilities are just too spread out on its classes.

Originally posted by piggeman
I agree on one thing. Uber group ... when RAs is up.

edit: when will we see a "ubah" group from Albion?

When we get some overpowered classes

 

[alme]

Originally posted by Dom
Well, i am not going to defense myself.. But ofc is much more hard to play one mage grp than tank grp... because you need to show ur skills, in really few secs, and you have to decide everything in very short time.If you fail with mage grp, you will die. With tank grp you can fail and get up ... because you can keep alive more time.

And about this about killing key chars more fast than every others, this is normal if you u have a very good leader in the grp, who leaves you always in a good place to start.

uve been bitching for ages that hib tank grp sucks, and now u say its much easier ? oO

and i dunno if id agree. If u for example get jumped with a mage grp, u can GP and start pbing to save ure suport. If u get jumped as tank grp, u can GP sure, but bard will still die or atleast wont get end up which leaves the tanks rather useless.
If albs SoS ure kinda fucked unless they suck, vs bof u can be alright but gets rather hard.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by hotrat
Give sorc ae disease in the matter line or change the unique sorc RA to 15 min timer insta disease, albs abilities are just too spread out on its classes.When we get some overpowered classes

Yes, but where does that put Cabalists? Sorcerers are practically the only classes that fit in "perfect" Albion RvR groups these days, you want to buff your class even further? The fact of the matter is that Albion has too many classes, but it is simply not viable to increase the gap between the casting classes, even if it would be good for the realm as a whole.

 

[hotrat]

Originally posted by Belomar
Yes, but where does that put Cabalists? Sorcerers are practically the only classes that fit in "perfect" Albion RvR groups these days, you want to buff your class even further? The fact of the matter is that Albion has too many classes, but it is simply not viable to increase the gap between the casting classes, even if it would be good for the realm as a whole.

Yer cabalists are in a lot of problems, they really lack a distinct role other than being a pet class they lack certain key spells, very similar to mentalists and to some extent RM's.

In each realm a caster seems only to be grouped if it has pbae or a lot of utility, cabalist has some utility but not enough and it ends up that one of the most needed spells for albion rvr is on a class where that spell is about the only reason to have it in your group. No offence to people with cabalists (I have one myself) but the matter line sucks in rvr, the body line is almost as bad but at least has disease, and spirit has body and spirit debuff and thats it. What a cabalist needs and I know its been said before but pbae would really open up the class. It could also bring some more pbae groups into alb rvr.

Btw nice fight earlier in Odins, we will get you next time, nerf insta mezz at start grrr such a cheap way to win the first mezz Although the fight went on for so long the initial mezz hardly mattered, more the lack of power on our clerics, 4 healing classes vs 2 and power relics

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by hotrat
I watched another fight of JH today and the way the shaman can kite is shocking

dont forget to mention our typical shaman is über aswell

 

[Drum'N'Base]

gah, cant beleave no1 said anything about Sheph
/military to the MAN

 

[Flimgoblin]

think people are overlooking the pet for part of the cabalist's utility...

damned annoying as a healer when you cast a single spell and suddenly have 4 pets chasing after you

 

[sheph]

Originally posted by Drum'N'Base
gah, cant beleave no1 said anything about Sheph
/military to the MAN

Thanx!

But i am support... i specialise in keepin luwis and elphs alive... not makin those deathspams which makes u famous

 

[hotrat]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
think people are overlooking the pet for part of the cabalist's utility...

damned annoying as a healer when you cast a single spell and suddenly have 4 pets chasing after you

Yer the pet is nice, epecially emerald sim which proc's disease but a chanter also has a pet which is equally annoying (when combined with chanter speed) and can even help to heal the group! SM's pet is the best of the 3, the intercept is really nice.

Originally posted by sheph
Thanx!

But i am support... i specialise in keepin luwis and elphs alive... not makin those deathspams which makes u famous

I was gonna mention you but you hit me far too much in our last fight

 

[taponzin]

Sheph > all

/hug Sheph

 

[Sabu]

Bah 4 pages and no whines-flames... can´t be BW